"Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them"

Darren 83 · 12-05-2013 10:15PM

Had a look at the club marathon plans from last year they where mad 6 -7 days a week think that's is way too much for me.

RedRunner · 12-05-2013 10:54PM

Darren 83 wrote: »

Had a look at the club marathon plans from last year they where mad 6 -7 days a week think that's is way too much for me.

It's a big commitment alright to train for a marathon. There are lots of plans out there but you'd need to be running 5 days a week at minimum in my opinion for the duration of the plan. Whether you run 6 or even 7 ,although I think you need 1 rest day at a minimum, all depends on what your goal is.

Darren 83 · 12-05-2013 11:01PM

RedRunner wrote: »

It's a big commitment alright to train for a marathon. There are lots of plans out there but you'd need to be running 5 days a week at minimum in my opinion for the duration of the plan. Whether you run 6 or even 7 ,although I think you need 1 rest day at a minimum, all depends on what your goal is.

I'll be doing four days a week two club sessions and easy run and lsr.

RedRunner · 13-05-2013 11:46PM

No run tonight as too much to do in preparation for my work trip. Off to Frankfurt which means no run tomorrow or Wednesday as the schedule just won't allow it and the hotel I'm booked into doesn't appear to have a gym so not even possibility of a dreadmill.

So I'll have to make up for it in the latter half of week by running 4 days on the trot.

RedRunner · 16-05-2013 10:33PM

Had my first run since last Sunday tonight. I've been reading a book on Chi running recently and decided to try a few things suggested in the book. Now either my legs were just fresh from no running over last few days or this Chi running thing is a revelation.

Was focusing on form trying to lean forward from the core,relax everything below the hips ,make the legs as light as possible and the run felt easy and comfortable all the way.

6.19 miles @ 7:56avg pace

Splits 8:16,8:07,7:57,7:54,7:50,7:41, (7:05)

Good t get back out and burn some calories after all the sh!te I've eaten this week!

Cool down of 0.60 miles @ 9:05 min pace makes total of 6.79 miles

WTD|6.79
MTD|54.76
YTD|370.63

Big Logger · 16-05-2013 10:51PM

Whats the plan for DCM RR? Any plan or time in mind?

RedRunner · 16-05-2013 10:55PM

Big Logger wrote: »

Whats the plan for DCM RR? Any plan or time in mind?

Oh yeah baby! Goin all out for 3:45

That'll be a 42 minute improvement if I pull it off! Bit early I know for declaring my intentions but I'll nail my colours to the mast to help motivate.

Big Logger · 16-05-2013 11:00PM

RedRunner wrote: »

Oh yeah baby! Goin all out for 3:45

That'll be a 42 minute improvement if I pull it off! Bit early I know for declaring my intentions but I'll nail my colours to the mast to help motivate.

we must've come in the same time last year as each other. 4.22?

RedRunner · 16-05-2013 11:05PM

Big Logger wrote: »

we must've come in the same time last year as each other. 4.22?

4:27 for me. Was on course for 4:15 till about mile 19 and then I started to die.

As regards plan for this DCM , had been thinking P&D <55 but may try Meno's plan either, not fully decided yet.

How is your training coming along after your injury? and are you doing DCM13? any targets yourself?

Big Logger · 16-05-2013 11:11PM

RedRunner wrote: »

4:27 for me. Was on course for 4:15 till about mile 19 and then I started to die.

As regards plan for this DCM , had been thinking P&D <55 but may try Meno's plan either, not fully decided yet.

How is your training coming along after your injury? and are you doing DCM13? any targets yourself?

Yeah i was the same, pace just dropped just before Roebuck hill and then jogged home but really enjoyed it. No pressure like.

I don't like the sounds of the P&D plan. Meno's plan could be good though.

I'm back running with no pain at all now and just slight tension in calf. I'll build back up again and try to get a base in before July and then if all goes well I'll see if i can realistically fit in DCM. I'm not going to bother unless I'm showing some signs that I could do better than last year.

You have really come on, i don't think 3.45 is out of reach for you at all. 8 min miles in training and all.

RedRunner · 16-05-2013 11:20PM

Big Logger wrote: »

I'm back running with no pain at all now and just slight tension in calf. I'll build back up again and try to get a base in before July and then if all goes well I'll see if i can realistically fit in DCM. I'm not going to bother unless I'm showing some signs that I could do better than last year.

Thats good to hear.Hopefully you can make DCM.

Big Logger wrote: »

You have really come on, i don't think 3.45 is out of reach for you at all. 8 min miles in training and all.

Thanks.I'm really happy with my progress but not getting too carried away yet as I've a tendency to pick up injuries which put me out of action for weeks at a time so I never get big blocks of consistent training.Hopefully I can change that this year, hence trying this Chi Running thing.

Big Logger · 16-05-2013 11:25PM

Yeah I know what you mean, i can feel my calf getting a little tighter each run so i may need more physio.

so what do you think brought your time on, i know you were improving before you joined the running club.
what kind of time were you doing for half marathons and 10km's before dcm last year?

RedRunner · 16-05-2013 11:39PM

Big Logger wrote: »

Yeah I know what you mean, i can feel my calf getting a little tighter each run so i may need more physio.

so what do you think brought your time on, i know you were improving before you joined the running club.
what kind of time were you doing for half marathons and 10km's before dcm last year?

Last year I ran three half marathons, the Clontarf HM in July in 2:03, GSR Glasgow in 2:00 and Dublin HM (2 weeks later) in 1:56. Ran Glasgow semi-injured and Dublin just recovering from it. Couldn't break 50 mins in 10k for love nor money 51:30 in Fingal 10k, 50:36 in Samsung and then in Run for Mark in the Dark in November ran 47:30. This improvement I have no doubt was due to marathon training.

This year I ran more miles over the winter and have a better base plus I've lost a few pounds. Haven't done any club work that would attribute to improved times, haven't done any sessions yet. Main thing I've done differently so far is just try run more miles,mostly easy miles, no fancy sessions or anything like that.

RedRunner · 19-05-2013 01:15PM

Friday 17th May

Didn't get out as planned.Enforced rest day.

Saturday 18th May

Opted to skip the Park Run and do something a bit longer instead.

8.23 miles @ 8:17avg

Pace only evened out during middle part of run otherwise it was a bit all over the place, push it a little at end to see if I had the strength in the legs to picked it up. Satisfying run all in all though.

Splits:8:42, 8:28,8:31, 8:23,8:22,8:21,8:10,7:42,(6:41)

Follwed by some stretching and finished with a cool down of 0.78 miles @9:29

Total for day: 9.01 miles

Sunday 19th May

Despite several bottles of Coors last night in friends house(yet another Communion/Confirmation do) I managed to get myself out of the leaba this morning to go for the 8am run out from the club. Had about 12miles in my mind. A short ways into the run I felt a tightness in my right hamstring an had to stop and stretch it a bit. Started up again and eventually it subsided and I was able to run un-hampered. Pace was probably a little faster than I would have planned but went with it anyway. I had a good running partner (Thanks Helen:)) so went with the flow but this was probably more easy pace that Long Slow pace if i followed the Macmillan calc to the letter. It was a nice run on a very pleasant morning, not as warm as it is now thank God . The right hamstring that I felt very early on bothered me a little after the run so have to keep an eye on that.Some icing today should hopefully sort it out.

13.06 miles @ 8:44avg

Splits : 9:05,8:17,8:40,8:45,8:39,8:48,8:56,8:50,8;52,8:47,8:35,8:56,8:22,(7:14)

WTD|28.86
MTD|76.83
YTD|392.70

Big Logger · 19-05-2013 02:39PM

RedRunner wrote: »

Friday 17th May

Didn't get out as planned.Enforced rest day.

Saturday 18th May

Opted to skip the Park Run and do something a bit longer instead.

8.23 miles @ 8:17avg

Pace only evened out during middle part of run otherwise it was a bit all over the place, push it a little at end to see if I had the strength in the legs to picked it up. Satisfying run all in all though.

Splits:8:42, 8:28,8:31, 8:23,8:22,8:21,8:10,7:42,(6:41)

Follwed by some stretching and finished with a cool down of 0.78 miles @9:29

Total for day: 9.01 miles

Sunday 19th May

Despite several bottles of Coors last night in friends house(yet another Communion/Confirmation do) I managed to get myself out of the leaba this morning to go for the 8am run out from the club. Had about 12miles in my mind. A short ways into the run I felt a tightness in my right hamstring an had to stop and stretch it a bit. Started up again and eventually it subsided and I was able to run un-hampered. Pace was probably a little faster than I would have planned but went with it anyway. I had a good running partner (Thanks Helen:)) so went with the flow but this was probably more easy pace that Long Slow pace if i followed the Macmillan calc to the letter. It was a nice run on a very pleasant morning, not as warm as it is now thank God . The right hamstring that I felt very early on bothered me a little after the run so have to keep an eye on that.Some icing today should hopefully sort it out.

13.06 miles @ 8:44avg

Splits : 9:05,8:17,8:40,8:45,8:39,8:48,8:56,8:50,8;52,8:47,8:35,8:56,8:22,(7:14)

WTD|28.86
MTD|76.83
YTD|392.70

Thats some great work RR. Got out myself yesterday for 9 and a half miles and was very pleased with myself that I'm not jaded today.

RedRunner · 19-05-2013 10:44PM

Big Logger wrote: »

Thats some great work RR. Got out myself yesterday for 9 and a half miles and was very pleased with myself that I'm not jaded today.

Thanks BL. Good to see you got out for a longish one yourself too. I fell asleep on the couch this evening!:D

HelenAnne · 19-05-2013 10:48PM

RedRunner wrote: »

Pace was probably a little faster than I would have planned but went with it anyway. ... The right hamstring that I felt very early on bothered me a little after the run so have to keep an eye on that.Some icing today should hopefully sort it out.

Sorry about that! I've been congratulating you all day on keeping us to a nice, even, easy pace this morning. Hope your hamstring is OK and it wasn't this morning that damaged it?

Thanks for the company - really enjoyed it.

RedRunner · 19-05-2013 10:54PM

HelenAnne wrote: »

Sorry about that! I've been congratulating you all day on keeping us to a nice, even, easy pace this morning. Hope your hamstring is OK and it wasn't this morning that damaged it?

Thanks for the company - really enjoyed it.

No problem Helen. Think it was down more to not being properly hydrated(ie the beers last night!).I'm almost an expert in hamstring injuries at this stage,since I've had so many and this one doesn't worry me too much. Nothing a bit of minding and a couple days rest won't sort. As we discussed earlier, sometimes it's good to be taken out of your comfort zone.;)

RedRunner · 21-05-2013 10:59PM

Monday 20th May

Rest

Tuesday 21st May

Plan was to do a short one at easy pace tonight and see how the leg was. 2 miles in and the hamstring niggle I picked up on Sunday started to bother me. Reduced pace to a jog for another mile and then decided to stop to minimise any damage I might be doing. Unfortunately was still about a mile and a half from home so had to walk the rest of the way home:(

Had to go to a confirmation mass for the first born so couldn't ice the leg until I got home later. I think a few days off running is required to let this heal and Dunboyne 5 mile next Tuesday could be in doubt.
I've a sports massage scheduled for Thursday too so maybe that will aid in speeding up the healing process too. Damned hamstrings, the bane of my life!:mad:

3.02 miles @8:50avg

WTD|3.02
MTD|79.85
YTD|395.72

RedRunner · 24-05-2013 12:25AM

Had a massage today...err well actually yesterday. Slight inflammation in hamstring close to adductor. Got a good rub down, legs feeling tired now. Hopefully healing process will accelerate now and I'll be ok for race on Tuesday. I'll stay off the roads for next two days at least and maybe go out for a short one on Sunday to see what its like.

Need to get my act together too and put a plan together for lead up to HM (which I've yet to choose) and get good base in for beginning of marathon training.

On the plus side , got new club singlet and t-shirt today. Can't wait to officially wear it in a race sometime.

RedRunner · 25-05-2013 03:43PM

Friday 24th May

Alcohol, pizza, ice-cream, alcohol.....say no more

Saturday 25th May

30 mins on static bike (16km) and some stretching. Leg still a bit tender. Will decide tomorrow whether to try short recovery run or wait till Monday. Tuesday race very doubtful, too risky I think at this stage. THinking I should just concentrate on getting back running and slowly increase the mileage again.I really want to have about 6 weeks solid training behind me before starting marathon training. If I race too early that could put that in jeopardy. I'm thinking out loud here but this is probably the sensible thing to do given my history.

RunningKing · 25-05-2013 08:12PM

You're answering your own question here......maybe read back on your log a few pages :-)

RedRunner · 25-05-2013 11:21PM

career_move wrote: »

Hi RR I'm going to stick my nose in here and say that I think you're running some of your runs a bit too fast since you came back from injury. I was reading an article recently (can't find it now but I'll have a better look later) and it was saying that one of the biggest mistakes people make when they return from injury is to jump in at the same level they were at before they got injured and this leads to further injuries. Just something to think about maybe.....

RunningKing wrote: »

You're answering your own question here......maybe read back on your log a few pages :-)

I know RK sometimes just need to type it out on here to make myself see sense. CM's words in particular are ringing in my ears the last couple of days

RedRunner · 26-05-2013 11:54AM

Sunday 26th MAY

Went up to StAnnes Park in Raheny this morning to do a short slow run. Beautiful morning for it. Leg feeling ok but I think 4 miles was just enough. Bumped into Richard Bruton on the run (not literally...though maybe I should have thrown him a shoulder on the way past:pac:)

4miles @ 8:57avg

WTD|7.02
MTD|83.85
YTD|399.72

Almost at the 400 mile mark..behind on my 1000 mile challenge so glad to at least get more miles on the clock.

Darren 83 · 26-05-2013 10:24PM

RedRunner wrote: »

Sunday 26th MAY

Went up to StAnnes Park in Raheny this morning to do a short slow run. Beautiful morning for it. Leg feeling ok but I think 4 miles was just enough. Bumped into Richard Bruton on the run (not literally...though maybe I should have thrown him a shoulder on the way past:pac:)

4miles @ 8:57avg

WTD|7.02
MTD|83.85
YTD|399.72

Almost at the 400 mile mark..behind on my 1000 mile challenge so glad to at least get more miles on the clock.

Don't think I will hit a 1000 miles either, DCM is more important,

RedRunner · 26-05-2013 11:49PM

Darren 83 wrote: »

Don't think I will hit a 1000 miles either, DCM is more important,

Unfortunately for me I don't think I will hit my target time if I am not well on the way to hitting 1000 for the year if I haven't already hit it by DCM. From my perspective the two are closely related.

RedRunner · 28-05-2013 11:06PM

5.55 very easy miles @8:25avg

No reaction from the hammer. Glad now I didn't bother with the Dunboyne race tonight.
...at last over the 400 mark. Hopefully can get some consistent running in now over next few weeks.

WTD|5.55
MTD|89.4
YTD|405.27

RedRunner · 30-05-2013 08:55PM

Ran home from work..Very warm and into a headwind all the way home so effort level a bit raised as result.Otherwise a nice run with no problems to report.

7.05miles@8:33avg

WTD|12.60
MTD|96.45
YTD|412.32

RedRunner · 01-06-2013 03:42PM

Saturday June 1st

Busy day with car service, kids matches and going to Croke Park tonight so little room for running today.Dropped the car to service and ran home in tempo style.

2.46 miles @ 7:46avg......better than nothing I suppose.

WTD|15.06
MTD|2.46
YTD|414.78

RunningKing · 01-06-2013 11:05PM

Never seen such a 1 sided game!

"Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them"

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