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junkies in nursing homes

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  • #32
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    kneemos wrote: »
    They don't put junkies in nursing homes op...unless they're old junkies and there's no such thing as an old junkie.

    Actually this is one of the benefits of substitutive programmes such as methadone. You never used to see older addicts, but I have worked with two guys who where claming pensions.

    There are also a significant amount of those heading towards that age. Another few years and addicts on methadone programmes may indeed become an issue for nursing homes.


  • #33
    kombi.noise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 ✭kombi.noise


    monflat wrote: »
    The STAFF and families are meant to be advocates for these residents


    If you worked in a nursing home and saw someth goin on that resemble inappropriate behaviour abuse excessive noise impeding on the life of the residents would you turn a blind eye and say ah feck it tis alright to that that person is verbally abusing etc they have dementia they dont matter they dont seem to take notice of the junkie

    no i wouldnt
    but i believe there is a clause in their contract not allowing it.
    all the above is goin on...
    i suspect it is only a matter of time before enough residents visitors
    realize what is goin on.and do something about it.
    also some of the more coherent residents are going to complain...
    i dont know to who,but the owner sounds like a nazi.

    ive got no reason to fabricate this story

    but as i thought its seems none of the general public know anything about it.


  • #34
    Chucken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    kombi.noise wrote: »
    because they are that far gone they couldnt drive...

    Thats a really silly assumption. I presume you've never had to deal with a person with a head injury?


  • #35
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    kneemos wrote: »
    They don't put junkies in nursing homes op...unless they're old junkies and there's no such thing as an old junkie.

    Chronic addiction to Werthers Originals is no laughing matter.


  • #36
    Rasheed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Rasheed


    Private nursing homes can admit pretty much who they like. The youngest I've ever seen in a nursing home was late thirties. He had destroyed his brain from 20 years of solid drinking.


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  • #37
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    kombi.noise wrote: »
    no i wouldnt
    but i believe there is a clause in their contract not allowing it.
    all the above is goin on...
    i suspect it is only a matter of time before enough residents visitors
    realize what is goin on.and do something about it.
    also some of the more coherent residents are going to complain...
    i dont know to who,but the owner sounds like a nazi.

    ive got no reason to fabricate this story

    but as i thought its seems none of the general public know anything about it.

    Is it junkies or mentally inacapacitated people you're talking about?


  • #38
    kombi.noise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 ✭kombi.noise


    Chucken wrote: »
    Thats a really silly assumption. I presume you've never had to deal with a person with a head injury?

    i presume youve never had to deal with a self centred junkie
    who thinks they are the only person in the world and who never
    acknowledges that their predicament is completely self inflicted.


  • #39
    kombi.noise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 ✭kombi.noise


    kneemos wrote: »
    Is it junkies or mentally inacapacitated people you're talking about?

    one usually becomes the other. .


  • #40
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Junkies in nursing homes.
    Reality TV, new to RTE this autumn.


  • #41
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    kombi.noise wrote: »
    i presume youve never had to deal with a self centred junkie
    who thinks they are the only person in the world and who never
    acknowledges that their predicament is completely self inflicted.

    have you ?


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  • #42
    Chucken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    kombi.noise wrote: »
    i presume youve never had to deal with a self centred junkie
    who thinks they are the only person in the world and who never
    acknowledges that their predicament is completely self inflicted.

    You'd be amazed with what Ive dealt with ;)
    What Im trying to get an answer to is, how do you know that these people are junkies? As opposed to someone with head injuries. They can both act in similar ways at times.


  • #43
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Lions in playgrounds would be an absolutely terrible idea. How would you like your little ones, with their smiling little faces, having to deal with being constantly menaced by one of the deadliest predators of the savannah!? And it's our tax money that's paying for these playgrounds!!

    Sure, like heroin addicts in nursing homes, this isn't an actual problem, but by God am I mad about it!!


  • #44
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    kombi.noise wrote: »
    one usually becomes the other. .

    So it's people with brain damage who can't look after themselves.


  • #45
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    kombi.noise wrote: »
    no i wouldnt
    but i believe there is a clause in their contract not allowing it.
    all the above is goin on...
    i suspect it is only a matter of time before enough residents visitors
    realize what is goin on.and do something about it.
    also some of the more coherent residents are going to complain...
    i dont know to who,but the owner sounds like a nazi.

    ive got no reason to fabricate this story

    but as i thought its seems none of the general public know anything about it.

    OP you imply that you know a lot of this alleged addict, try that word see how it feels there is not need to use derogatory terms when there are other appropriate term.

    You state stuff about his medical treatment and his injuries, is you GF giving you this info? Please think about this and don't just answer it. Why am I saying this?

    Well if your GF works for the HSE you could be risking her job. Actually now that I think about it, you GF work directly for the home. However, I think what I am about to say will still stand.

    Certain medical info is not just classified as confidential; it can be classed as restricted. Anything thing concerning a persons treatment with the addiction services is classed as restricted by the HSE, and your GF's boss may think the same.

    Here she is giving you restricted information about a person’s medical treatment and you are posting it on a message board. I know this person is in a nursing home in Nass and he is approx 40 years of age, there is a chance I could identify him if I was so inclined.

    It seems you don't like addicts, but they are entitled to the same level of protection in relation to their personal/medical details.

    Can you see my point?


  • #46
    kombi.noise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 ✭kombi.noise


    Odysseus wrote: »
    OP you imply that you know a lot of this alleged addict, try that word see how it feels there is not need to use derogatory terms when there are other appropriate term.

    You state stuff about his medical treatment and his injuries, is you GF giving you this info? Please think about this and don't just answer it. Why am I saying this?

    Well if your GF works for the HSE you could be risking her job. Actually now that I think about it, you GF work directly for the home. However, I think what I am about to say will still stand.

    Certain medical info is not just classified as confidential; it can be classed as restricted. Anything thing concerning a persons treatment with the addiction services is classed as restricted by the HSE, and your GF's boss may think the same.





    Here she is giving you restricted information about a person’s medical treatment and you are posting it on a message board. I know this person is in a nursing home in Nass and he is approx 40 years of age, there is a chance I could identify him if I was so inclined.

    It seems you don't like addicts, but they are entitled to the same level of protection in relation to their personal/medical details.

    Can you see my point?

    yes i can see your point
    my only point is that they shouldnt be in nursing homes


  • #47
    monflat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭monflat


    kombi.noise wrote: »
    one usually becomes the other. .

    Not necessarily

    How many years of working with these groups have you spent ?


  • #48
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    kombi.noise wrote: »
    yes i can see your point
    my only point is that they shouldnt be in nursing homes

    Well if they require that level of care, maybe they do and their drug should have no impact on that decision.


  • #49
    kombi.noise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 ✭kombi.noise


    Chucken wrote: »
    You'd be amazed with what Ive dealt with ;)
    What Im trying to get an answer to is, how do you know that these people are junkies? As opposed to someone with head injuries. They can both act in similar ways at times.

    people with head injuries dont generally have wounds
    from needles all over their legs that are bandaged up and need regular changing
    does that answer your question

    its people like you who cant see the woods for the trees...
    that keeps this kind of situation going on far longer than it should.

    that and contract clauses about patient details
    that keeps issues like this brushed under the carpet
    until the **** hits the fan.


  • #50
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    kombi.noise wrote: »
    people with head injuries dont generally have wounds
    from needles all over their legs that are bandaged up and need regular changing

    Can't people have both head injuries and needle marks?
    And why should the presence of the latter preclude treatment for the former?


  • #51
    kombi.noise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 ✭kombi.noise


    go back to moo land will you?


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  • #52
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    kombi.noise wrote: »
    go back to moo land will you?

    Well played, my good man.

    Well played.


  • #53
    Chucken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    kombi.noise wrote: »
    people with head injuries dont generally have wounds
    from needles all over their legs that are bandaged up and need regular changing
    does that answer your question

    its people like you who cant see the woods for the trees...
    that keeps this kind of situation going on far longer than it should.

    that and contract clauses about patient details
    that keeps issues like this brushed under the carpet
    until the **** hits the fan.

    People like me? :confused:
    You know nothing about me or what I do!

    You came out with a load of "information" without backing any of it up.
    Information which you shouldnt be privvy to btw.


  • #54
    monflat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭monflat


    kombi.noise wrote: »
    people with head injuries dont generally have wounds
    from needles all over their legs that are bandaged up and need regular changing
    does that answer your question

    its people like you who cant see the woods for the trees...
    that keeps this kind of situation going on far longer than it should.

    that and contract clauses about patient details
    that keeps issues like this brushed under the carpet
    until the **** hits the fan.



    Well I surely would not like to be in the nursing home your GF work s for as for confidentiality she obviously possesses no skill in this area.

    Its nothing to do with you unless you work there too and if it bothers her that much to be telling you absolutely everything that goes maybe she is in the wrong job

    And I think id take the mods advice on board


  • #55
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    kombi.noise wrote: »
    people with head injuries dont generally have wounds
    from needles all over their legs that are bandaged up and need regular changing
    does that answer your question


    Actually, that would be an excellent reason for having them in ( a building attached? ) to a nursing home :

    I'm sure nursing home staff would be well used to troublesome leg ulcers and so on that need careful looking after to sort out.


    Is your GF a nurse ?


  • #56
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    monflat wrote: »
    Well I surely would not like to be in the nursing home your GF work s for as for confidentiality she obviously possesses no skill in this area.

    Its nothing to do with you unless you work there too and if it bothers her that much to be telling you absolutely everything that goes maybe she is in the wrong job

    And I think id take the mods advice on board

    Whilst I concur, just to be clear, if you are refering to my post, I am only a poster in AH, we only mod our own forum, we are just normal posters everywhere else.

    We would never allow the use of the term Junkie in the psych forum, it would be akin to allowing people to describe those with a psychotic condition as nutjobs or those with depression as sad fcuks. However, each forum is different in how it views certain things.


  • #57
    monflat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭monflat


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Actually, that would be an excellent reason for having them in ( a building attached? ) to a nursing home :

    I'm sure nursing home staff would be well used to troublesome leg ulcers and so on that need careful looking after to sort out.


    Is your GF a nurse ?



    I hope not

    I think the Gf is not aware of a duty of care it does not matter who or what tge person is


  • #58
    monflat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭monflat


    Odysseus wrote: »
    Whilst I concur, just to be clear, if you are refering to my post, I am only a poster in AH, we only mod our own forum, we are just normal posters everywhere else.

    We would never allow the use of the term Junkie in the psych forum, it would be akin to allowing people to describe those with a psychotic condition as nutjobs or those with depression as sad fcuks. However, each forum is different in how it views certain things.



    Oh ok thanks thought u were mod here
    Anyway I suppose that why this is in AH


  • #59
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    monflat wrote: »
    I hope not

    I think the Gf is not aware of a duty of care it does not matter who or what tge person is



    To be fair to her, everyone talks about the people they work with to some extent, especailly with their partners, the issue I see her is her partner not understanding her duty of care, and not respecting [possibly because he was unawre of the issue] the private context in which her told him this info.


  • #60
    kombi.noise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 ✭kombi.noise


    Chucken wrote: »
    People like me? :confused:
    You know nothing about me or what I do!

    You came out with a load of "information" without backing any of it up.
    Information which you shouldnt be privvy to btw.

    back it up?
    what do u want photos?

    all im saying is old people in nursing homes shouldnt have to deal with it.

    a seperate building attached could be a plan.

    more than a few people here are surprised to hear of the facts i state here.
    they are true
    im not saying all nursing homes.obviously there are good ones too
    where the owners dont just look at maximising the profits.

    this is a recent development in this place
    and i can tell u none of the staff think its a good idea.

    but hands off management are in a world of their own...
    like in so many aspects of life in ireland.

    which is why we are where we are today.


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  • #61
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Institutionalise our children in crèches, institutionalise our old people in homes. Complain about institutions. We have learned nothing


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