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Which Irish political party would you like to see in a new government?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    I really would be hard pressed to vote for any current party. It'd probably come down to who was the best quality candidates that aren't Fianna Fail or Sinn Fein for me on the day of voting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    hfallada wrote: »
    A new party lead by Someone who is an actual business person and knows how an economy works. Can trackle union bs and make Ireland more business friendly.

    Not some group of teachers who enjoy working in the big smoke we have now and haven't a clue how to run a business never mind a country

    Why do you think a business person would necessarily be able to make a better job of running our country? Are businesses ever failures? Would you like your boss to be in charge of the country?

    Anyway, teachers may make up the largest actual group of former careers amongst dail members, but there are far more 'business people' (the term being so vague and broad it would include publicans, accountants, company directors, etc) amongst dail members, so not sure what your point was.

    And some of the people in the 'business' category are people I would like in no way either near my country or my business.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,754 ✭✭✭oldyouth


    hfallada wrote: »
    A new party lead by Someone who is an actual business person and knows how an economy works. Can trackle union bs and make Ireland more business friendly.

    Not some group of teachers who enjoy working in the big smoke we have now and haven't a clue how to run a business never mind a country
    It's the right idea and the majority of people would vote for them. However, the same majority would be adversely affected by their methods and turf them out at the first opportunity


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 43,009 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    I'm the very one who, last time round, argued that if you didn't vote, so too did you lose your right to moan about who was in power; that if you didn't exercise your choice, you had no right to complain about the choices of others.

    But now, honestly, I too am in the "I don't plan on voting " category now. The options are horrendous. It's not even a case of picking the lesser of the evils, since I simply cannot trust any of the parties any more. FG have simply betrayed every promise they've ever made and sold me down the river, a selling process started by FF. Labour are non-existant. I don't trust Sinn Fein, since my problem isn't with democracy, it's with the options, and I see SF as too radical and a trip too far down the other direction. And I don't believe Indys can do absolutely anything to make any differences in the short or long term. If asked to vote based on who will **** up the country the least, I can't, since I believe they'll all do damage on equal levels.

    As for the "Why don't you run yourself" nonsense, I equate that with the people who ask Simon Cowell if he can sing when he says they can't; just because I can sit here and identify what makes a bad politician does not mean I'm claiming to be a good one myself. I don't have alternatives and won't be trying to engage in sweeping rhetoric to make myself look smart (i.e. "We need more businessmen and less teachers!" :rolleyes:). I don't have the nessecary set of skills, contacts or money to become a politician. But that shouldn't mean I don't get to say how worried I am over the useless options being presented...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33 DaithiOGormain


    Sinn Féin Abú! The only party with a real vision for a new Ireland which gives private citizens more rights than big corporations and banks and where politicians and bankers get pay cuts long before lower earning public workers. Votáil Sinn Féin!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,588 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Sinn Féin: kings of the internet :D

    Right now my vote would still go to Fine Gael.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Grimreaper666


    heyjude wrote: »
    We need a new government made up of new people, with fresh new ideas, rather than retreads or clones. Maybe for a change we could try electing a government whose cabinet isn't composed of former teachers, farmers, publicans or trade union officials. I'm not talking about adding a few more auctioneers, accountants or solicitors either, but what about involving some actual business people who know what it takes to create real jobs.

    Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and Labour or any combination of them, have all had their chances and failed. The announcement, as good news, that 400 jobs are being created through the introduction of the water tax, just sums up my disillusionment with the system. If they truly see that as good news, then why not introduce another 20 various charges(taxes) and you can create thousands of jobs collecting them all :D

    I have very little hope that we'd ever get a decent political party who genuinely have the interests of the country at heart. The whole government concept is rotten to the core and anyone who gets into power is so overwhelmed by all the goodies on offer to them that they just fall into line and take everything they can get their grubby little hands on. It reminds me of the lottery games on RTE only they're all winners with the huge salaries and perks and none of them will ever rock the boat unless they think it will better their careers longterm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    I see Sinn fein have mobilised the Boards.ie active service unit again :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    A party that has an ideology and is not a votes whore. So none of them at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    My vote would most probably go to Sinn Fein at the moment, as I find myself agreeing more with their policies than any other party at the moment. I voted Labour and Independent last election and am sorry I did, as they have both been largely ineffective in government.

    However, I think Gerry Adams has had his day as leader. There are too many questions over his past and Sinn Fein now need to modernise and hand over the leadership to Mary-Lou McDonald. Too many times, Adams has had to fend off questions about the past when bringing up perfectly valid questions in the Dail and during election campaigns, instead of outlining present and future policies, which should be the focus.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,369 ✭✭✭LostBoy101


    Sinn Fein? I take it we're taking the piss here? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 428 ✭✭OCorcrainn


    I'm curious. For the people who will not vote Sinn Féin, would you vote for them if there was a leadership change? Also, why do some people think they are too radical, what policies do you feel are too radical?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,588 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Sinn Fein come across as populists these days rather than a party with a radical ideology. Unfortunately Fianna Fáil will 'outpopulist' them. If SF ever got into power any radicalism they have in them would be tempered and they'd just become a run of the mill 'left wing' party who people will accuse of breaking promises because they promised too much to get into power in the first place. Same old story with democracy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 428 ✭✭OCorcrainn


    dsmythy wrote: »
    Sinn Fein come across as populists these days rather than a party with a radical ideology. Unfortunately Fianna Fáil will 'outpopulist' them. If SF ever got into power any radicalism they have in them would be tempered and they'd just become a run of the mill 'left wing' party who people will accuse of breaking promises because they promised too much to get into power in the first place. Same old story with democracy.

    If you think Sinn Féin are populist than you have clearly never read their policies.
    If SF ever got into power any radicalism they have in them would be tempered and they'd just become a run of the mill 'left wing' party who people will accuse of breaking promises because they promised too much to get into power in the first place.

    I'm tired hearing of this, Sinn Féin are not the ones who have been in government when Fianna Fáíl, Labour, Fine Gael have been ruining this country. You are only wildly speculating about what essentially is "what ifs". People should stop listening to the Sindo and RTE scaremongering and smear campaigning, they have a Fianna Fáíl agenda. Most of the top brass have Fianna Fáil connections. Miriam O Callghan's brother for example is a local Fianna Fáíl politician.

    All the other political parties have shown themselves for what they in government, time to give Sinn Féin a chance here, only then would people have the right to say that they are as bad as the others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭godwin


    I'm voting Yes for jobs and Yes for Europe

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,055 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Monster Raving Looney Party.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭Augmerson


    I have no faith in any of the political parties and I have no faith in the political system of this country. It's a joke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,741 ✭✭✭withless


    If theres a new way, I'll be the first in line...


    ...but it better work this time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,588 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    OCorcrainn wrote: »
    If you think Sinn Féin are populist than you have clearly never read their policies.



    I'm tired hearing of this, Sinn Féin are not the ones who have been in government when Fianna Fáíl, Labour, Fine Gael have been ruining this country. You are only wildly speculating about what essentially is "what ifs". People should stop listening to the Sindo and RTE scaremongering and smear campaigning, they have a Fianna Fáíl agenda. Most of the top brass have Fianna Fáil connections. Miriam O Callghan's brother for example is a local Fianna Fáíl politician.

    All the other political parties have shown themselves for what they in government, time to give Sinn Féin a chance here, only then would people have the right to say that they are as bad as the others.

    You mean they're not a party who puts themselves as the saviour of the common man against the elites? News to me. I don't recall Sinn Fein ever saying anything against the grain of what the general public want to hear. Fine Gael (with Labour) still have 3 years left before another election. Maybe take your own advice and give them a chance to complete their mandate and show what they can do before you say they failed. Also don't fall into that old trap that anyone who doesn't agree with you must have had their opinion formed by "them".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,373 ✭✭✭pconn062


    OCorcrainn wrote: »
    I'm curious. For the people who will not vote Sinn Féin, would you vote for them if there was a leadership change? Also, why do some people think they are too radical, what policies do you feel are too radical?

    Go somewhere else to do you Sinn Féin party political research.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Anyone


    How are Independents classed as a party?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 43,009 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    OCorcrainn wrote: »
    I'm curious. For the people who will not vote Sinn Féin, would you vote for them if there was a leadership change? Also, why do some people think they are too radical, what policies do you feel are too radical?

    I argued this back at the presidential election, and was roared down by some SFers, but my answer to that question is probably. It would remove one of the biggest problems I have with the party, namely that while they say they've "moved on", the public face of the party is one which has huge historical significance to what the party once "was".

    If they removed the likes of Gerry Adams and them, or even just moved them into behind-the-scenes advisory roles, it would go a long way to making them more generally accepted by the public I think. Find a member who is younger and has a more relevant background to the current problems the country faces and who doesn't have ties to the past, and make him the newer face of the party. Genuinely "move on".

    And as was said above, it's more of a populist problem than a radical problem nowadays, I'd agree with that. The idea that they say stuff like "More jobs", "less money for banks" and the likes, and that while all that sounds good, it's not policy I'd actually put into power. They're great ones for saying what they'd do, but not how they'd do it, and worse, when you point that out, can get quite snotty about that lack of concrete policy as well.

    (None of that, mind, is saying the other parties actually have concrete policies as well; any government who says "We'll create jobs" instantly loses my vote, since it's a promise that they don't, won't and can't keep).

    I will say this; a few weeks back, when the whole CP2 fiasco was starting, I sent an e-mail round to all my local TDs, including Gerry himself. Of the five, only two replied back. FF and Labour blanked me. O'Dowd of FG sent me a reply but it was basically a letter telling me to shut up and go away. Only Gerry Adams of SF actually sent a proper message back; one where he said he agreed with my stance of how damaging a deal it was for teachers and how he was against CP2. Now, going back again, maybe if people had given out about teachers, he'd respond about how its important they take CP2, so I'm not necessarily swayed by the fact he told me (in a well written and researched manner) what I wanted to hear.

    BUT at least Sinn Fein had the decency to respond back to my message and acknowledge me as a voter in that constituency.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Sinn Feinn, just for ****s and giggles and the faux outrage of the blowhards on boards.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    323 wrote: »
    Personally, from experience would disagree with the World Bank crap. Ireland may be a great place for business if you are a multinational looking for the tax breaks. For start-ups - it sucks.
    How? I've never heard anyone describe the CRO process or contact with Revenue as anything but a piece of cake. If someone is having difficulty there, I'd question how they're going to get on in business.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    How? I've never heard anyone describe the CRO process or contact with Revenue as anything but a piece of cake. If someone is having difficulty there, I'd question how they're going to get on in business.

    The problem here, at the moment, isn't with revenue, it's with financing.

    Most startups don't have their own capital on launch, they need financing from banks/grants/investors.

    Banks are not loaning, grant bodies (county enterprise boards, the ida, take your pick) are horrendous to deal with and investors are non-existent.

    If you have startup capital, you're laughing, if you need financing, you're ****ed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    We really need some new parties, that aren't just going to destroy themselves by associating with discreditable people/policies.

    DDI briefly seemed like they might have potential, but they associate with too many crazypeople.


    It pays to realize, that no matter what party (ideal or not) gets in, Europe have the real power over our economy, and there is féck all any party can do locally, to improve our situation.

    It would be nice to have a party though, that actually knows about the viable solutions at a European level, and would try to partner up with other crippled nations, to speak out for these recovery policies (and which would have balls enough, to state that the Euro should end now, if recovery policies will never come).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    Seaneh wrote: »
    The problem here, at the moment, isn't with revenue, it's with financing.

    Most startups don't have their own capital on launch, they need financing from banks/grants/investors.
    That's a problem all with banks deleveraging all over Europe, not an institutional issue with the Irish Government though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭Alfred Borden


    I'm a FF man but anyone but SF for now


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,335 ✭✭✭wendell borton


    Raf32 wrote: »
    I'm a FF man but anyone but SF for now

    I'm deffo voting for SF then.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    Raf32 wrote: »
    I'm a FF man...

    Can you explain what you mean by that?

    Genuine question btw.


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