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Would you buy a stolen bike?

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  • #62
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    IceFjoem wrote: »
    I'm curious as to whether there's a website where victims of bike theft can post up pictures and maybe the serial numbers of their frames so that people can crosscheck bikes before buying them, and even alert the owners. With the poweful means of communication these days it's something owners and genuine buyers could almost police themselves. If not there should be IMO. F*ck the scumbags!
    I've always thought this would be a possible crime prevention idea.

    Not just bikes, but cameras, laptops, iphones, other electronics as well.

    If your item is ever stolen, your serial code, or bike frame code goes onto a public directory manned by the Gardaí, which firms would have a legal obligation to check before procurement, and which would be heavily encouraged for use by the public on sites like adverts.ie, or donedeal, for their own legal protection.

    OP: If someone sees you cycling their bike in Dublin, or whatever town you live in, they, and perhaps the Gardaí are going to want to know where you got the bike, and whether your believed it was a legitimate transaction. If they form the opinion that you were reckless as to whether the bicycle was stolen they may charge you with an an offence under section 17 of the Criminal Justice (Theft and Fraud Offences) Act 2001 for handling stolen property. For the sake of saving a hundred euro or so, it's not worth the trouble.


  • #63
    JD DABA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭JD DABA


    A stolen bike would be about one of the last stolen things Id ever buy if I was to ever buy something stolen.

    The bike thief, in my humble opinion, ranks right down there with the type who'd key a nice car. Its the petty nature, the skangerish opportunism, the pesky inconvenience of such individuals. Such low ambition - move up to armed robbery or ingenious expensive jewelry cat thief for gods sake, con artist, coke smuggler, something with at least some class, something that can't be done while holding a snackbox and coke. (deano, jayo)

    They're basically potholes. Scrotes. Lifes dirty teacups. Id pay the 100 just to give a nice headbutt to a certified bike thief, if I could stomach it to look him in the eye, and wear something to protect my hair.


  • #64
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    You forgot to say if you're talking Harley Davidson or High Nelly. :confused:


  • #65
    DavyD_83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭DavyD_83


    Your mate is a scumbag,and you're not far off if you're knowingly buying a stolen bike.
    If there wasn't a market these scrotes wouldn't seerobbing bikes as easy money.


  • #66
    AngryHippie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭AngryHippie


    I bought one from the seized/stolen goods auction at Kevin st years ago, had it for about 3 months, then it got stolen.

    I put it down to Karma at the time. it cost me 50 bucks, I probably put a hundred km on it.


    Keep an eye out for the Garda Auctions, you'll get a silly low price for a decent bike, But there is a good chance it'll get nicked or fall apart at some stage when the karma train pulls into the station.....


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  • #67
    Greentopia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    PizzamanIRL wrote: »
    Why not buy it? It's stolen now. By not buying it, the victim won't get it back.

    That's a very morally dubious line of reasoning to try and justify criminality.

    By buying it, as other have already pointed out, you perpetuate the trade in stolen bikes. And you would be breaking the law by buying stolen goods.

    Would you feel the same way if you had your mode of transport stolen?
    Which a bicycle is for many people. Would you think-"Ah well, it's stolen now, whoever wants to buy it may as well as I won't get it back." ?!
    Hardly.

    And you have no idea whether the victim will get the bike back or not.
    The only way you would know for certain if you knew the bike was auctioned off by the Gardai.

    A friend of mine had her bike stolen in Dublin and months later she saw someone riding the bike past her (she knew it was hers-apart from it's individual markings and wear and tear there's not that many battered up white Dutch bicycles-a Batavus I think- in the city).
    She chased down the thief anyway and got her bike back! -she's plucky and determined like that :D
    PizzamanIRL wrote: »
    If your consicience is holding you back, just remember you're not certain that they're stolen.

    It's doesn't matter. Telling yourself it's not stolen when you know full well it may be doesn't clear your conscience and make it ok to buy it. :rolleyes:


  • #68
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,582 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    PizzamanIRL wrote: »
    Why not buy it? It's stolen now. By not buying it, the victim won't get it back. By buying it, the victim still won't get it back but you'll save some money. If it's stolen, then every euro is profit to him so offer him 80.

    If your consicience is holding you back, just remember you're not certain that they're stolen.
    If the price sounds too good to be true then it probably is.

    There would be no market for stolen goods if people didn't buy them. It's that simple.

    And it's not just the value of the stolen goods, it's the effect on the owner and the hassle of replacing them and chances are that if it's something you need you'd pay over the odds to replace it.

    Also and this is important bikes aren't like cars. They have their own personalities and after a while no two are alike. It's personal. There are times when you might not recognise the owner buy you would recognise the bike.


  • #69
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    If the price sounds too good to be true then it probably is.

    There would be no market for stolen goods if people didn't buy them. It's that simple.

    And it's not just the value of the stolen goods, it's the effect on the owner and the hassle of replacing them and chances are that if it's something you need you'd pay over the odds to replace it.

    Also and this is important bikes aren't like cars. They have their own personalities and after a while no two are alike. It's personal. There are times when you might not recognise the owner buy you would recognise the bike.



    What? A bike is a bike in fairness. I'm pretty sure two bikes of the same model would be identical.


  • #70
    Artful_Badger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Artful_Badger


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    What? A bike is a bike in fairness. I'm pretty sure two bikes of the same model would be identical.

    The gross and net result of it is that people who spent most of their natural lives riding iron bicycles over the rocky roadsteads of this parish get their personalities mixed up with the personalities of their bicycle as a result of the interchanging of the atoms of each of them and you would be surprised at the number of people in these parts who are nearly half people and half bicycles...when a man lets things go so far that he is more than half a bicycle, you will not see him so much because he spends a lot of his time leaning with one elbow on walls or standing propped by one foot at kerbstones.


  • #71
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,582 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    What? A bike is a bike in fairness. I'm pretty sure two bikes of the same model would be identical.
    Look at any bike stand. Most bikes are personalised with different accessories in a way that just doesn't happen with cars.


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  • #72
    Irish Musician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 ✭Irish Musician


    Dietsquirt wrote: »
    Hi,

    Just to preface this post, i own a decent enough racer bike which i spent €800 on.

    I'm looking for a 2nd hand/cheap bike that i can use to cycle in to the City Centre (Dublin) and not be afraid to leave locked up. I have a very good lock (kryptonite) but i still wouldn't leave my racer bike in town.

    Blah blah blah...

    I sent an email around my job last week and inquiring if anyone had a bike lying around their sheds that they'd want to offload (for a cheap enough price)

    1 guy, who i don't really know said he can get me one for €100, that was really the maximum i was willing to pay. I asked him the make/model etc.. He showed me a few pictures and they look like fairly newish bikes (all Treks). I asked him where he gets them and he said he knows a guy who gets a few in every week.

    They must be stolen.

    Am i a scumbag for paying €100 for one of these bikes? They are a great bargain and lets face it, if they are stolen, the person isn't getting it back.

    What would you do?
    I Think you have already answered this question in your own head.
    Personally, If I suspected it was stolen,I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole. These things have a way of coming back and biting you on the ass.


  • #73
    NewApproach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭NewApproach


    Hold on a sec, we don't know that the bikes this guy is selling are 100% stolen


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