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Child Care In Ireland

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  • #122
    keith16
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    oh my god the hysteria, how many creches did they go into? How many hours did they film? No, of course all creches are not that bad. Keep your knickers on people. A lot of child care workers actually like kids so I am sure there things like this would be reported if they were widespread in every creche.

    I'm actually quiet concerned. Are you proud of the fact that Ireland is ranked way down the list when it comes down to early childhood services?


  • #123
    btard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭btard


    tayto lover wrote: »
    But how do you know it's not widespread?
    They are hardly going to admit to abusing children.

    Of course it's widespread. For many obvious reasons. Parents won't want to believe that though. The alternative will be unacceptable to them. A few low paid workers will be sacked and it will be business as usual soon enough.


  • #124
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    seamus wrote: »
    That woman will want to make herself very scarce. Lots of parents who know who she is will want to have "words", I'd reckon.

    if one of them was my child i would be on my way down to the garda station to see could i file some charge - i would never dream of doing the same to my child

    i would imagine some solicitors will be getting a call tomorrow , and rightly so

    i hope that the outcome of this is the other operators will buck up their ideas


  • #125
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    mariaalice wrote: »
    I feel so sorry for parents who have to put there children in crèches I know most don't have any choice, but even if the crèches are fantastic the sheer, cramped noisy environment that those toddlers have to endure could not be good for them. Would any adult go for a nap in a room with 10 other people.

    How offensive, you feel sorry for parents put their kids in creche. Jesus save your sympathy for people with real problems. Some people choose to work you know, monsters I know.


  • #126
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    The repercussions of this, if widespread, will be seen in 10-20 years. I discussed it with a psychologist who explained that children treated like this, especially those who don't get soothing or sympathy when they are hungry/hurt/scared/tired, will develop a very low sense of empathy towards other children and eventually other adults. That can make them quite cruel individuals which manifests itself in various ways towards other people.

    Childcare workers should be suitably qualified and as well paid as primary/secondary school teachers. The first 4 years of development are more important than the next 14.


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  • #127
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    keith16 wrote: »
    I'm actually quiet concerned. Are you proud of the fact that Ireland is ranked way down the list when it comes down to early childhood services?

    Why would I be proud or not proud, what a stupid question, I don't run the childcare in Ireland.


  • #128
    Millicent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    Bambi wrote: »
    There is on my telly :confused:

    edit, its on the +1 yokey now

    This is very important, man--do you have Sky or UPC?


  • #129
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    btard wrote: »
    Of course it's widespread. For many obvious reasons. Parents won't want to believe that though. The alternative will be unacceptable to them. A few low paid workers will be sacked and it will be business as usual soon enough.

    Yes of course it is, no evidence it is at all except one program, more hysterics.


  • #130
    keith16
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    Birroc wrote: »
    The repercussions of this, if widespread, will be seen in 10-20 years. I discussed it with a psychologist who explained that children treated like this, especially those who don't get soothing or sympathy when they are hungry/hurt/scared/tired, will develop a very low sense of empathy towards other children and eventually other adults. That can make them quite cruel individuals which manifests itself in various ways towards other people.

    Childcare workers should be suitably qualified and as well paid as primary/secondary school teachers. The first 4 years of development are more important than the next 14.

    That's exactly the kind of joined up thinking that the likes of Frances Fitzgerald is wholly incapable of.


  • #131
    EdCastle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 102 ✭✭EdCastle


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    How offensive, you feel sorry for parents put their kids in creche. Jesus save your sympathy for people with real problems. Some people choose to work you know, monsters I know.

    Do you think somehow a parent who choose to stay at home to mind their children isn't work? What's the difference?


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  • #132
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    Bambi wrote: »
    One carer was'nt making eye contact with a kid while giving them a bottle

    f**k me, worse than hitler.

    Actually Hitler was well known for making direct and lengthy eye contact with people he met. People found it disconcerting but they never forgot.


  • #133
    dar100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭dar100


    keith16 wrote: »
    I'm actually quiet concerned. Are you proud of the fact that Ireland is ranked way down the list when it comes down to early childhood services?

    Its not just childhood services we are poor in, do you recall last year and the old folk homes?


  • #134
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    EdCastle wrote: »
    Do you think somehow a parent who choose to stay at home to mind their children isn't work? What's the difference?

    Of course its work. Its bloody hard work. Sorry if I did not explicitly state working for payment for an employer.

    I am not the one judging other people for their choices. That's none of my business.


  • #135
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Millicent wrote: »
    This is very important, man--do you have Sky or UPC?

    upc

    theres two mary robinson sounding experts doing a giles dunphy type analysis of the angry care worker,


  • #136
    Millicent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    Bambi wrote: »
    upc

    theres two mary robinson sounding experts doing a giles dunphy type analysis of the angry care worker,

    Dammit. Thought as much. Stupid Sky don't have it, AFAIK. Thanks for that illuminating synopsis though. :pac:


  • #137
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Yes of course it is, no evidence it is at all except one program, more hysterics.

    My own guess is that this is widespread to some degree. The qualifications required and pay rates for the child care workers being the main causes. It's a tough job and not many can do it well. If I had a child in a creche I would be sourcing a clandestine listening device just to check.


  • #138
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    dar100 wrote: »
    Its not just childhood services we are poor in, do you recall last year and the old folk homes?
    A few bad apples doesn't make "we" poor in particular areas. How come the majority who do good always get sidelined for the minority who do bad?


  • #139
    btard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭btard


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Yes of course it is, no evidence it is at all except one program, more hysterics.

    Keep trying to convince your self.


  • #140
    keith16
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Why would I be proud or not proud, what a stupid question, I don't run the childcare in Ireland.

    Excellent, so not only are you an advocate of the "ah shure it's grand, don't be getting your knickers in a twist, it's grand, it's grand it's grand" way of thinking.

    You also are part of the "shure it's not my fault, nothing to do with me" pass the buck type attitude too?

    You must have incredibly high standards.

    I don't think it's a stupid question at all. Why would you not have pride in your community. And by extension, your country?

    The stats presented in the show are damning and inescapable. I expect better of my country. You may not give a damn however, and if you are happy with mediocre to poor standards, then best of luck to you.


  • #141
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    the creche was called links and its logo was a chain...bit of a giveaway tbf


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  • #142
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    btard wrote: »
    Keep trying to convince your self.

    My child is not in a creche and never was so I have no need to convince myself of anything.


  • #143
    EdCastle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 102 ✭✭EdCastle


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    A few bad apples doesn't make "we" poor in particular areas. How come the majority who do good always get sidelined for the minority who do bad?

    In this case, its not the minority, 75% of creches have breached child care regulations, that's a majority!


  • #144
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,863 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    I haven't read this thread fully, but can anyone confirm of its true that RTE won't be shoiwng tonights programme on their RTE Player?


  • #145
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Feck
    I missed it :(

    Why didn't one of you remind me? :D


  • #146
    keith16
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    Quazzie wrote: »
    I haven't read this thread fully, but can anyone confirm of its true that RTE won't be shoiwng tonights programme on their RTE Player?

    Apparently it's true.


  • #147
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Quazzie wrote: »
    I haven't read this thread fully, but can anyone confirm of its true that RTE won't be shoiwng tonights programme on their RTE Player?

    Prime time is always repeated at 3.30am ish and isn't tonight.
    Wonder why?

    Also, I can't access the 3player on it


  • #148
    EdCastle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 102 ✭✭EdCastle


    Quazzie wrote: »
    I haven't read this thread fully, but can anyone confirm of its true that RTE won't be shoiwng tonights programme on their RTE Player?

    I think that was said, but you can be certain somebody recorded this and will upload to youtube. That is what normally happens in these instances.


  • #149
    Millicent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    Smidge wrote: »
    Prime time is always repeated at 3.30am ish and isn't tonight.
    Wonder why?

    Also, I can't access the 3player on it

    I linked to an article on it here: http://www.thejournal.ie/prime-time-creche-investigation-927922-May2013/

    Apparently it's to respect the parents and to protect the kids.


  • #150
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Well most people are normal and do not behave cruelly to wards children, so why would crèche workers be any different? Many of them love children more than your average bear, hence their choice of career.

    I am sure a lot of people who work in crèches are kind and loving and do love children more than average, however they still need training to do the jobs they are not minding their own children they are minding other peoples children.

    I am mildly shocked at some people reaction to the program of course there should not be a which hunt of staff, but in no way was any of it acceptable and I can not believe someone would think it was minor enoughs behaviour they were looking at.


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  • #151
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    keith16 wrote: »
    Excellent, so not only are you an advocate of the "ah shure it's grand, don't be getting your knickers in a twist, it's grand, it's grand it's grand" way of thinking.

    You also are part of the "shure it's not my fault, nothing to do with me" pass the buck type attitude too?

    You must have incredibly high standards.

    I don't think it's a stupid question at all. Why would you not have pride in your community. And by extension, your country?

    The stats presented in the show are damning and inescapable. I expect better of my country. You may not give a damn however, and if you are happy with mediocre to poor standards, then best of luck to you.

    I didn't say its grand at all, I am saying that based on my experience I don't think it widespread as is being made out. That does not mean I don't give a damn, more hysterics. Just put words into my mouth there for me and tell me what I think because I don't take pride in something that is actually nothing to do with me.

    With the program one good thing is that there will be pressure to improve inspections etc. which happened with the old folks home program, which can only be a good thing really.

    However I do think the extent is being exaggerated. People are behaving as if all creches are like this when I don't think they are.


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