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Irish Rail Wages

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  • #62
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    What do you think first hand knowledge is? Its going by personal experience and not by what a friend might have told me.
    Golden handshake? :) You are coming out with some beauties now :)

    I didn't realise you worked for Fastrack/Irish Rail. Im surprised you don't know about this.


  • #63
    davidlacey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭davidlacey


    ted1 wrote: »
    Increments are pay increases

    i am just going by what the sunday business post went with they said no pay increases but increments continue to be paid...i understand its a pay increase


  • #64
    davidlacey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭davidlacey


    shamwari wrote: »
    Yes, they've already given a commitment last year to cut those numbers by 2016, and this is on top of numbers already cut before then.

    where do you reckon they will get these from? across the board or get rid of further station staff which will result in more unmanned stations. Theres not many people with jobs that are redundant are there?


  • #65
    shamwari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭shamwari


    davidlacey wrote: »
    where do you reckon they will get these from? across the board or get rid of further station staff which will result in more unmanned stations. Theres not many people with jobs that are redundant are there?
    the dirty and quick way of meeting the numbers is not to replace those who leave due to "natural wastage". Obviously that won't work in all cases but that would probably the preferred way of doing things for most.


  • #66
    Losty Dublin
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    Grandeeod wrote: »
    You have assumed I dont have first hand knowledge of it. I dont fish. I just tell it like I see it. I guess we have to agree to disagree.
    My friends are liars according to you.

    I've a friend who works for a subcontractor on track laying teams so it goes without saying that he will know many of the Irish Rail track workers and teams. Perhaps you may pass me on your friends names via PM and I'd be more than happy to ask my friend to confirm that they indeed do work and exist for Irish Rail and to put an end to this otherwise rudderless argument.


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  • #67
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    I didn't realise you worked for Fastrack/Irish Rail. Im surprised you don't know about this.

    I know enough to see that you have been misinformed.


  • #68
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Losty Dublin wrote: »
    I've a friend who works for a subcontractor on track laying teams so it goes without saying that he will know many of the Irish Rail track workers and teams. Perhaps you may pass me on your friends names via PM and I'd be more than happy to ask my friend to confirm that they indeed do work and exist for Irish Rail and to put an end to this otherwise rudderless argument.

    Better still, tell me and i'll confirm it ;)


  • #69
    dowlingm
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    the contractorisation and consultating of State companies shows that the expense remains even after the headcount number decreases. But the politicians can only obsess over the headcount and being "lean". Anyone who thinks unions are inflexible should read a Service Level Agreement or a Statement Of Work!


  • #70
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Losty Dublin wrote: »
    I've a friend who works for a subcontractor on track laying teams so it goes without saying that he will know many of the Irish Rail track workers and teams. Perhaps you may pass me on your friends names via PM and I'd be more than happy to ask my friend to confirm that they indeed do work and exist for Irish Rail and to put an end to this otherwise rudderless argument.

    Sorry Losty, but I'm talking about former Fastrack workers, not PW staff.


  • #71
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,272 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    Sorry Losty, but I'm talking about former Fastrack workers, not PW staff.

    Apologies in that regard; I mistook your post for another post the other day in relation to wages and staff.

    That said, I am sure Hill Billy will be willing to make good his offer :)


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  • #72
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Better still, tell me and i'll confirm it ;)

    Contact me via PM Hilly Bill. Tell me who you are and what you know. After a level of trust is developed, I'll reveal how I reached my conclusions. Otherwise we will agree to differ, because a blatant request for me to supply names to someone I don't know is not on.

    The alternative is to take the last word on the issue and I don't mind at all. Quite Frankly, its not that big a deal to me as I already know how messed up CIE is and I have no obsession to ram it home on boards night after night.


  • #73
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Trust me, its no big deal to me either.


  • #74
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    ted1 wrote: »
    Increments are pay increases

    It's worth pointing out that Increments,are the constituent parts of an Incremental Salary Scale.

    Salary Scales differ widely in their lengths and in the amounts of increment between the relevant active years.


    For example many years ago,I was on an 11 year salary scale which began at IR£197 and finished after the 10th year at IR£233.

    Other grades had 4 year scales and yet others had 16 year scales,some with differences per week of IR£0.97p per mid increment.

    Hardly mind-blowing figures and also not equally distributed over the period of the scales.

    Also,as those on the scale reach the top,they progress no further,which essentially means that with no recent recruitment to the PS,the totality of those scales reduces each year.

    One of the interesting aspects of the Bus Eireann settlement proposals is that ALL Clerical Staff will step back one point on their incremental scale in addition to whatever other reductions are imposed.

    There is also an added factor to the broader issue of people deciding to work-for-a-living,which is,that such people have a sizable chunk of their wages & salaries deducted in order to part-fund such nicities as Social Welfare benefits and assorted other schemes to benefit those who don't,won't or can't,work for whatever reason.

    If we seek to reduce the "other fellahs" pay-packet to whatever level our own is currently at,then we need not express dismay when Social Payments are subsequently reduced or Social Schemes are curtailed / abolished.

    This is why,personally,I have no great issue with Enda Kenny or any Government Minister earning €200,000 per anum,as I know that he's paying full PAYE,PRSI and USC on that as well as whatever levies are due.

    Neither do I begrudge a CEO a suitably impressive package,as most of them require the Wisdom of Solomon,Patience of Job and the Survival Instincts of Bear Grylls to perform their functions effectively.

    Modern Ireland,and it's people,has very rapidly shown their particular affinity for begrudgery and insularity,for which the music-hall stereotype Irishman was famous.

    It makes for excellent live TV and even better Sunday Newspaper fodder,but it will not make the actual process of Work any more attractive to those who might be of a mind to try it ....:rolleyes:


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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