What's Sergios beef ?

Jazzzman · 22-05-2013 03:14PM

Oilbeefhooked! wrote: »

From Sergios press conf - ""I want to give an unreserved apology. I didn't mean to offend anyone. I was caught off guard, but my answer was totally stupid and out of place. I'd like to say sorry to the European Tour, my Ryder Cup team mates and to Tiger. I feel sick about it, I'm truly, truly sorry."
Hopefully Tiger can accept an apology like a gentleman without anymore flame fanning.

Sergio doesn't appear to need any help when it comes to flame fanning.

Hitting the 17th green at Sawgrass on the other hand....

Shifty Shellshock · 22-05-2013 03:34PM

This thread is making me hungry

soundsham · 22-05-2013 03:56PM

It should be settled by a duel

To make it fair they should be at least 12 feet apart as Sergio is likely to miss anything nearer

Oilbeefhooked! · 22-05-2013 04:05PM

Jazzzman wrote: »

Sergio doesn't appear to need any help when it comes to flame fanning.

Hitting the 17th green at Sawgrass on the other hand....

If Woods is indeed the better man in all this which I'm not saying he's not.

Then I would just like to see him act like it for once.
Of course Garcia f****d up , but Woods then had the option of twisting the knife if
Or subduing it.
IMO he chose the twist the knife option which is not
IMO what many of the other all times great golfers would have done.

Would just like him to act for once on snd off the course like the icon/example to millions of kids that he is!!!

Oilbeefhooked! · 22-05-2013 04:10PM

realgolfgeek wrote: »

If I were Tiger I wouldn't be so forgiving to be honest.
That's (at least) three times he's had racists remarks ....
the masters incidents in 97, steve williams, and now sergio.

Not only should Sergio be apologising, he should be getting a hefty fine or ban by the PGA committee.

Its his right to accept a genuine apology or not, I for one think its the right thing to do.
As for previous incidents , I don't think Garcia deserves to feel the blunt of them.
Especially what Williams said, that's in a different league to Garcias comment.

Fine/ ban would be a bit overkill considering some of the other stuff that's gone unpunished in golf lately !!

realgolfgeek · 22-05-2013 04:16PM

Oilbeefhooked! wrote: »

Fine/ ban would be a bit overkill considering some of the other stuff that's gone unpunished in golf lately !!

other stuff that's gone unpunished in golf lately,
let me guess, you're referring to Tigers two incidents right ?

Absolutely, williams was also a disgrace and also should have been fined, banned or both ...

Just because williams didn't get punished, doesn't mean Garcia shouldn't. They have to start somewhere.

ForeRight · 22-05-2013 04:22PM

Sergio to Nike?

"Sergio Garcia’s recent comment was offensive and in no way aligns with TaylorMade-adidas Golf’s values and corporate culture. We have spoken with Sergio directly and he clearly has regret for his statement and we believe he is sincere. We discussed with Sergio that his comments are clearly out of bounds and we are continuing to review the matter."

Oilbeefhooked! · 22-05-2013 04:23PM

realgolfgeek wrote: »

other stuff that's gone unpunished in golf lately,
let me guess, you're referring to Tigers two incidents right ?

Absolutely, williams was also a disgrace and also should have been fined, banned or both ...

Just because williams didn't get punished, doesn't mean Garcia shouldn't. They have to start somewhere.

I was more meaning the Vijay debacle but tigers drops also yeah.

Still think Sergio should be treated on his stupidity only and not because of previous racial incidents.
This was only a possible? Racial reference which has been denied that was meant in that context.
Heartfelt apology has been issued if it was taken as such ,so let's everyone just accepted and play golf!!
But somehow we all know that's not goin to happen !

realgolfgeek · 22-05-2013 04:29PM

Oilbeefhooked! wrote: »

I was more meaning the Vijay debacle but tigers drops also yeah.

Still think Sergio should be treated on his stupidity only and not because of previous racial incidents.
This was only a possible? Racial reference which has been denied that was meant in that context.
Heartfelt apology has been issued if it was taken as such ,so let's everyone just accepted and play golf!!
But somehow we all know that's not goin to happen !

So it's ok to fine/ban people in football for making racist remarks, but in golf, all you need is an apology ?

That's setting a great example for kids growing up viewing the sport.

Oilbeefhooked! · 22-05-2013 04:40PM

realgolfgeek wrote: »

So it's ok to fine/ban people in football for making racist remarks, but in golf, all you need is an apology ?

That's setting a great example for kids growing up viewing the sport.

Granted its def not setting a good example for kids , but that argument does lose a bit of shine when TW is part of it.:o)
Really think sanity has to prevail here - you are already claiming John Terry etc venomous racist slurs and Steve Williams terrible comment are on a par with Garcias spur of the moment retort.
Although i think what garcia said was very wrong , this is crazy to lump him in with the footballers etc
Give him a break!!

Russman · 22-05-2013 04:44PM

Sergio's remark was stupid, ill thought out and off the cuff. I don't believe for a second it was racist though.

realgolfgeek · 22-05-2013 04:47PM

Oilbeefhooked! wrote: »

Granted its def not setting a good example for kids , but that argument does lose a bit of shine when TW is part of it.:o)
Really think sanity has to prevail here - you are already claiming John Terry etc venomous racist slurs and Steve Williams terrible comment are on a par with Garcias spur of the moment retort.
Although i think what garcia said was very wrong , this is crazy to lump him in with the footballers etc
Give him a break!!

Racist slurs are racist slurs ... granted some more violent than others.
But where do you draw the line ? That's the hard part I guess.

If he has a mental relapse next week and says something similar, but again also makes a "sincere" apology, is it still ok ? Or do you ban and fine him then ?

I think it's time the PGA stepped up, grew some balls, and actually make an example that this can't continue, and if it does, you're severly punished.

realgolfgeek · 22-05-2013 04:48PM

Russman wrote: »

Sergio's remark was stupid, ill thought out and off the cuff. I don't believe for a second it was racist though.

That's trash ...
of course it was racist ... you don't say something like that without the thought been in your head!

Russman · 22-05-2013 04:51PM

realgolfgeek wrote: »

That's trash ...
of course it was racist ... you don't say something like that without the thought been in your head!

So nobody ever made an off the cuff remark without meaning it ?? Yeah, whatever.

Oilbeefhooked! · 22-05-2013 04:53PM

realgolfgeek wrote: »

Racist slurs are racist slurs ... granted some more violent than others.
But where do you draw the line ? That's the hard part I guess.

If he has a mental relapse next week and says something similar, but again also makes a "sincere" apology, is it still ok ? Or do you ban and fine him then ?

I think it's time the PGA stepped up, grew some balls, and actually make an example that this can't continue, and if it does, you're severly punished.

If he was to make a similar comment then absolutely but in this scenario I really feel he should be given the benefit of the doubt .

ForeRight · 22-05-2013 04:55PM

If Sergio was fighting with Padraig and said paddy could come around for Potatoes we would all be laughing.

I love fried chicken and I'm white.

realgolfgeek · 22-05-2013 04:55PM

Russman wrote: »

So nobody ever made an off the cuff remark without meaning it ?? Yeah, whatever.

That's not what I said ... I don't care if he meant it, or didn't mean it ..
My point is ..... it was a racist remark regardless

Russman · 22-05-2013 04:56PM

realgolfgeek wrote: »

That's not what I said ... I don't care if he meant it, or didn't mean it ..
My point is ..... it was a racist remark regardless

Fair enough.
And what if he says it wasn't ?
Or what if anyone else says it wasn't ?

realgolfgeek · 22-05-2013 04:58PM

Russman wrote: »

Fair enough.
And what if he says it wasn't ?
Or what if anyone else says it wasn't ?

of course it was a racist remark ... he wouldn't be apologising if it wasn't !

Russman · 22-05-2013 05:02PM

realgolfgeek wrote: »

of course it was a racist remark ... he wouldn't be apologising if it wasn't !

He's apologising because it could be construed as racist, that doesn't mean it actually was racist. Intent is a huge part of whether something is racist or not IMO.

By the way I'm not defending him, he's experienced enough and should have known better and shouldn't have said it, but I think there's a bit of over reaction going on in the media etc.

FixdePitchmark · 22-05-2013 05:06PM

realgolfgeek wrote: »

That's trash ...
of course it was racist ... you don't say something like that without the thought been in your head!

I spent a bit of time in deep south , so has Sergio. You get into the joke about their food. Corn dogs. Footlongs, Grits, Moonshine.
It is a bit of fun and Bubba had Grilled Chicken and mashed potato for Masters dinner. We all know that was a joking nod to the south. We laughed at it.

It is pure selfish manipulation by Tiger.

Actually to pull a race card fallaciously is one of the lowest form of argument.

It is like saying - the Irish and their spuds. It is jokingly true.

You can see the type of person Tiger is from this. Sure we know it anyway.
And, It is not as if I'm a sergio fan.

RikkFlair · 22-05-2013 05:25PM

Shifty Shellshock wrote: »

This thread is making me hungry

Good thing Sergio didnt mock Tigers other ancestry (Thai, Chinese) or you'd be even hungrier!

realgolfgeek · 22-05-2013 05:27PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

It is like saying - the Irish and their spuds. It is jokingly true.
.

Yeah, there's no difference there whatsoever :rolleyes:

ForeRight · 22-05-2013 05:41PM

What's the chances Sergio is sponsored by KFC now and this was all clever marketing.

Oilbeefhooked! · 22-05-2013 06:20PM

realgolfgeek wrote: »

Yeah, there's no difference there whatsoever :rolleyes:

Have you watched Sergio's full interview on the subject this morning?
Cant honestly believe you dont agree it was 'a trying to come up with a witty,jokey answer to an on the spot question'
Granted it was not witty or funny, but once he said it he can now only genuinely apologise .
Lets be honest i know he's not the smartest but really dont think he would pick the awards dinner to sprout some secretly held racial venom.
Both Tim Finchem and George O Grady, were in the audience and saw heard the comment in the context/ scenario it actually happened , and this morning they had a meeting with Garcia and accepted it was not meant in a racial way, so there will be no fines or bans.
The problem is unfortunately that, it was a massively wrong thing to say and that people who were not there have the opprtunity/right take it out of the moment/context and make it into something it was not - yourself and Mr Woods ,and unfortunately probably a lot of Americans.
Really hope that like Garcia or not,Woods can see this for what it is and step up, and say something to help
the situation and not play the victim card.

Osgoodisgood · 22-05-2013 06:27PM

Russman wrote: »

He's apologising because it could be construed as racist, that doesn't mean it actually was racist. Intent is a huge part of whether something is racist or not IMO.

By the way I'm not defending him, he's experienced enough and should have known better and shouldn't have said it, but I think there's a bit of over reaction going on in the media etc.

I really want to believe that it wasn't racially motivated. I want to believe that Garcia wasn't aware of the stereotype that his comment alluded to. I want to believe that he just didn't know about the almost identical Zoeller comment all those years ago. I'm not sure I do though.

Woods is a complete bellend for making any comment about it. His PR people would have advised him to stay above what is going to be a feeding frenzy.

Peterdalkey · 22-05-2013 07:29PM

Try telling that to Fuzzy Zoeller, he destroyed his career and credibility with a very similar remark, and he is a twice major winner!

Turkey is a much safer cuisine for golfer talk!

bustercherry · 22-05-2013 08:36PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I spent a bit of time in deep south , so has Sergio. You get into the joke about their food. Corn dogs. Footlongs, Grits, Moonshine.
It is a bit of fun and Bubba had Grilled Chicken and mashed potato for Masters dinner. We all know that was a joking nod to the south. We laughed at it.

It is pure selfish manipulation by Tiger.

Actually to pull a race card fallaciously is one of the lowest form of argument.

It is like saying - the Irish and their spuds. It is jokingly true.

You can see the type of person Tiger is from this.

Sure we know it anyway.
And, It is not as if I'm a sergio fan.

Wise the fcuk up. Sergio is solely to blame and admitted he knew it was ill judged after. :rolleyes:

Tobyglen · 22-05-2013 09:25PM

Woods doesn't give a damn about anyone/anything and that jibe certainly doesn't affect him. Pathetic comments from him on twitter from him to play the innocent card.

Very stupid from Garcia but he's always been an idiot but have no doubt that Woods is manipulating things his way again.

2 spoilt assholes in my opinion.

Hacker111 · 22-05-2013 09:56PM

bustercherry wrote: »

Wise the fcuk up. Sergio is solely to blame and admitted he knew it was ill judged after. :rolleyes:

Tiger is a complete di*kwod..... poor me the victim..... lets not forget what this guy has really been like over the past 15 years.... failed to apologise after Players...marshalls wouldnt back up his story..... you have to admire his results and focus etc..he is "box office"..but seriously...

Sergio has done little wrong here...if Tiger didn't create the issue at Players or at least apologise the matter was closed but due to his lack of class he didn't.....

Sergio was stupid but these guys are answering 100s of questions and he was trying to be funny.... defo not a racist comment..some guys on here are just sergio bashing......

Tiger takes himself too seriously.... no class... win at all costs...yes he shud have withdrew once he broke the rules at Masters.....

What's Sergios beef ?

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