Heterosexual Pride Day

The King of Moo · 22-05-2013 03:40PM

aloyisious wrote: »

As for bashing, the straight person being bashed for being obnoxious would probably be suffering it at the hands of other straight people.

Also, they'd be getting a beating for being obnoxious, not simply for being straight.

22-05-2013 03:49PM

ixoy wrote: »

Do you really believe that two gay men holding hands, or a brief kiss on the lips, would attract no more attention than a man and a woman doing the same? It should be like that but, in reality, it isn't.

It depends on the attention. I have seen it, people did look but it was more oh there is 2 guys kissing. There was nothing negative.

You act that its hard for gay people out there and its just not. Thats why there is so much focus on the Gay Marriage. Its the only obstetrical gay people have left. It is going to happen some day.
Lets face it , gay people are going to be normal soon, if it has not already happened.

orestes · 22-05-2013 03:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It depends on the attention. I have seen it, people did look but it was more oh there is 2 guys kissing. There was nothing negative.

You act that its hard for gay people out there and its just not. Thats why there is so much focus on the Gay Marriage. Its the only obstetrical gay people have left. It is going to happen some day.
Lets face it , gay people are going to be normal soon, if it has not already happened.

Being considered normal isn't the point, the point is for it not to matter that you are different. They are far from the same thing.

Links234 · 22-05-2013 04:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There are people out there that dont like it be it gay or straight.

There are people who'd hop out of a car and put one of them in the hospital if it was a straight couple they saw kissing?

ixoy · 22-05-2013 04:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You act that its hard for gay people out there and its just not.

Oh that it were like that for everyone though, but it's not unfortunately: (http://ec.europa.eu/ireland/press_office/news_of_the_day/eu-survey-lgbt-discrimination_en.htm):

Respondents who felt discriminated against or harassed in the last 12 months on the grounds of sexual orientation: Ireland 47% (EU average also 47% - Netherlands lowest at 30% and Lithuania highest at 61%).

Respondents who felt discriminated against in the last 12 months when looking for a job and/or at work because of being LGBT: Ireland at 18% below EU average of 20%. Discrimination lowest in Denmark at 11% and highest in Cyprus at 30% followed by Latvia and Lithuania both at 27%.

Respondents who felt discriminated against in the last 12 months in areas other than employment because of being LGBT: Ireland at 35% above EU average of 32%. Levels of discrimination lowest in the Netherlands at 20% and highest in Lithuania at 42%. This includes looking for a house or apartment and/or accessing healthcare services and/or attending school or university themselves or were the parent of a child at school or university and/or visiting a café, restaurant bar or nightclub and/or visiting a shop and/or visiting a bank or insurance company and/or exercising at a sport or fitness club in the last 12 months.

Respondents who had heard negative comments or seen negative conduct because a schoolmate was perceived to be LGBT during their schooling before the age of 18: Ireland at 93% was above the EU average of 91%. Latvia and Czech Republic lowest at 83% and Cyprus highest at 97%.

Respondents who had “always” or “often” hidden or disguised being LGBT during their schooling before the age of 18: Ireland at 72% was above the EU average of 67%. Numbers lowest in the Czech Republic at 57% and highest in Lithuania at 81%

Those figures are why a number of gay people still look forward to the likes of Pride when they know that, for that day, they won't have that worry.

aloyisious · 22-05-2013 04:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I suppose its unfair comparing a gay person to Star trek. We all know there is alot more Drama from a gay person :P

Regards to Public deplays of effection. There are people out there that dont like it be it gay or straight. "GET A ROOM" and all that.

OMG. it's handbags at dawn now!!!!

Terry1985 · 22-05-2013 05:34PM

Links234 wrote: »

There are people who'd hop out of a car and put one of them in the hospital if it was a straight couple they saw kissing?

This gay bashing angle is being greatly exaggerated. It's not like it happens at lunchtime on a crowded O'Connell street.

I imagine any attacks happen around the same time other people are attacked, after the pubs shut.

efb · 22-05-2013 05:37PM

Terry1985 wrote: »

This gay bashing angle is being greatly exaggerated. It's not like it happens at lunchtime on a crowded O'Connell street.

I imagine any attacks happen around the same time other people are attacked, after the pubs shut.

On what grounds are you basing this on? The exaggerated part?

orestes · 22-05-2013 05:43PM

Terry1985 wrote: »

This gay bashing angle is being greatly exaggerated. It's not like it happens at lunchtime on a crowded O'Connell street.

I imagine any attacks happen around the same time other people are attacked, after the pubs shut.

What the bejebus does the time or location have to do with the motivation or the act?

"You are being charged with hate motivated assault due to acts committed by you at 3 pm on Saturday."

"Hang on, I kicked fukk out of a few queers alright, but it was at 3am, not 3pm"

"Oh right, our mistake, never mind, must have been a typo or something. Ok, don't worry about it, just don't go bashing up gay people during the day alright? Have a nice day good citizen."

Terry1985 · 22-05-2013 06:48PM

efb wrote: »

On what grounds are you basing this on? The exaggerated part?

On what grounds are you basing it being a regular occurrence and part of every lbgt's life?

Do you have statistics to show that the lbgt community get physically attacked statistically more often than the hetero community?
Although since they're less likely to have a family they're more likely to be out on the town, so that would skew any results.

Terry1985 · 22-05-2013 06:53PM

orestes wrote: »

What the bejebus does the time or location have to do with the motivation or the act?

Because you're focusing on motivation.
If you're staggering home at 2am through a deserted or rough part of town, you're putting yourself in harms way to start with.

If you're straight, you might get mugged.
If you're gay, you might claim it's a hate attack, when any verbal abuse during the mugging could be incidental.

1ZRed · 22-05-2013 06:56PM

Terry1985 wrote: »

Because you're focusing on motivation.
If you're staggering home at 2am through a deserted or rough part of town, you're putting yourself in harms way to start with.

If you're straight, you might get mugged.
If you're gay, you might claim it's a hate attack, when any verbal abuse during the mugging could be incidental.

You're forgetting that people can go out if their way just to cause you harm because you are gay. How dont you see that?

It's not like me getting jumped out of the blue. That's not a hate crime.

Me getting jumped if they saw me with a guy and called me a fagg0t and used that as motivation then that is a hate crime.

It's not gay people using it as an excuse for everything. I think you just want to see that way

Links234 · 22-05-2013 07:02PM

Terry1985 wrote: »

This gay bashing angle is being greatly exaggerated. It's not like it happens at lunchtime on a crowded O'Connell street.

I imagine any attacks happen around the same time other people are attacked, after the pubs shut.

http://www.gcn.ie/Gaybash_on_Georges_Street

Fella kissed his friend goodbye, 4 lads hop out of a car to beat the **** out of him

that's in reference to Dre as in Dray's post that people don't like public displays of affection, gay or straight. so I'd ask, would the same thing have happened if it were a guy and a girl who kissed?

Terry1985 · 22-05-2013 08:23PM

Links234 wrote: »

Fella kissed his friend goodbye, 4 lads hop out of a car to beat the **** out of him

I was still correct that these things happen when the pubs close and people are drunk.

Interesting summation.
It was a drunken verbal remark from a taxi that started it.
But the victim told 4 guys in a taxi to fook off...
And we don't know the full story on what else was said that might've escalated it.

I'm not condoning the initial verbal abuse from the taxi, but if he ignored it, then it might not have escalated.

I've heard stories of scumbags on Talbot street saying 'what you looking at? ' to various guys.
If you're stupid enough to engage/ respond then you're probably going to get a slap/robbed.

So how clever was your man to respond in hindsight? And since he owns a Pub he was probably over confident to butt horns with them.

So, while it's an unfortunate incident, it's also a learning experience. If it was a hetero guy they beat up for being in the wrong place, it wouldn't be news worthy.

Gokei · 22-05-2013 08:31PM

Getting back to some semblance of a topic, I reckon every day it's heterosexual pride day. Most things are aimed at the trad mixed couple.

So unless you reckon being openly straight its anti gay, then no, gay pride is not anti straight.

Terry1985 · 22-05-2013 09:28PM

Gokei wrote: »

I reckon every day it's heterosexual pride day. Most things are aimed at the trad mixed couple.

That's because it's good for society.
The 'trad mixed couple' are to be encouraged to keep the population going. Which is why hetero couples get children's allowance and other legal rights to offset the cost.

Two men or two women can't procreate (on their own) to keep the population going.
Society is strongly biased towards heterosexuality because it is what you're supposed to do. Behaviour and physicality properly aligned.

Although again, unmarried hetero fathers do not have an automatic right to be legal guardians of their own children, so don't expect two gay guys to adopt anytime soon until real fathers have proper rights.

I've no problem with homosexuality, do what ye like, shouldn't affect job prospects etc, but I don't think society should 'encourage' it.
By that I mean marriage and non biological adoption. Although you could argue the only ones who lose in non biological adoption are the guardians who pay the cost of raising someone else's children/dna.

pragmatic1 · 22-05-2013 09:32PM

Terry1985 wrote: »

That's because it's good for society.
The 'trad mixed couple' are to be encouraged to keep the population going. Which is why hetero couples get children's allowance and other legal rights to offset the cost.

Two men or two women can't procreate (on their own) to keep the population going.
Society is strongly biased towards heterosexuality because it is what you're supposed to do. Behaviour and physicality properly aligned.

Although again, unmarried hetero fathers do not have an automatic right to be legal guardians of their own children, so don't expect two gay guys to adopt anytime soon until real fathers have proper rights.

I've no problem with homosexuality, do what ye like, shouldn't affect job prospects etc, but I don't think society should 'encourage' it.
By that I mean marriage and non biological adoption. Although you could argue the only ones who lose in non biological adoption are the guardians who pay the cost of raising someone else's children/dna.

How is legalising gay marriage and gay adoption encouraging homosexuality?

NuMarvel · 22-05-2013 10:39PM

Terry1985 wrote: »

I've no problem with homosexuality, do what ye like, shouldn't affect job prospects etc, but I don't think society should 'encourage' it.
By that I mean marriage and non biological adoption. Although you could argue the only ones who lose in non biological adoption are the guardians who pay the cost of raising someone else's children/dna.

Society isn't "encouraging" homosexuality. Nature can manage that perfectly fine without society. Society is encouraging equal treatment of all citizens, including gay men and women.

Besides which, marriage clearly doesn't encourage any type of sexuality, because if it did, all this hetero marriage would have made us all hetero in the first place.

And when someone adopts, they aren't the child's guardian, they're the child's parent. I think it's says volumes about you that you think someone undertaking to dedicate themselves to raising a child they are not biological related to is "losing out" somehow. Heaven forfend you might think of how the child benefits from it :rolleyes:

hooradiation · 22-05-2013 10:47PM

Terry1985 wrote: »

The 'trad mixed couple' are to be encouraged to keep the population going.

There's 6 billion of us, and rising. Doesn't seem like the species needs much by way of encouragement in order to keep the population going.

But i'm sorry, you were alluding to the slow death of the human race because gay marriage would somehow make straight people stop their ceaseless rutting.

Do go on, I'm sure it'll be fascinating

Annasopra · 22-05-2013 10:53PM

Terry1985 wrote: »

I was still correct that these things happen when the pubs close and people are drunk.

Interesting summation.
It was a drunken verbal remark from a taxi that started it.
But the victim told 4 guys in a taxi to fook off...
And we don't know the full story on what else was said that might've escalated it.

I'm not condoning the initial verbal abuse from the taxi, but if he ignored it, then it might not have escalated.

I've heard stories of scumbags on Talbot street saying 'what you looking at? ' to various guys.
If you're stupid enough to engage/ respond then you're probably going to get a slap/robbed.

So how clever was your man to respond in hindsight? And since he owns a Pub he was probably over confident to butt horns with them.

So, while it's an unfortunate incident, it's also a learning experience. If it was a hetero guy they beat up for being in the wrong place, it wouldn't be news worthy.

Ah I see - victim blaming :rolleyes: - yeah of course he deserved to be beaten up :rolleyes: - yeah - she was wearing a short skirt - she was asking to get raped

dorkacle · 22-05-2013 10:59PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Because you're the "default". You don't need to "trumpet" it because everybody already assumes it about you, correctly. And so, absolutely everything in the pop culture is geared towards you and your tastes at your convenience, at all times.

So no wonder it might not occur to you that other people can't take the same for granted.

I think you are over generalising tbh, just because I'm straight I'm into pop culture?

Tbh, I would have thought more gay people are tuned into pop culture than me...

What I was saying was that I know plenty of gay people are perfectly happy being gay and don't need to 'celebrate' it.

Seems to me your point is, because straight people are a majority crowd they take day to day life for granted, apparently they are not allowed celebrate because they are a majority?

Corkfeen · 22-05-2013 11:28PM

Terry1985 wrote: »

That's because it's good for society.
The 'trad mixed couple' are to be encouraged to keep the population going. Which is why hetero couples get children's allowance and other legal rights to offset the cost.

Two men or two women can't procreate (on their own) to keep the population going.
Society is strongly biased towards heterosexuality because it is what you're supposed to do. Behaviour and physicality properly aligned.

Although again, unmarried hetero fathers do not have an automatic right to be legal guardians of their own children, so don't expect two gay guys to adopt anytime soon until real fathers have proper rights.

I've no problem with homosexuality, do what ye like, shouldn't affect job prospects etc, but I don't think society should 'encourage' it.
By that I mean marriage and non biological adoption. Although you could argue the only ones who lose in non biological adoption are the guardians who pay the cost of raising someone else's children/dna.

The worlds population is 7 billion, gay people have existed for as long as straight people. I really don't think we have to be concerned about the world's population suddenly ceasing to procreate. Perhaps you're understanding of human sexuality is simply wrong or 'misaligned'.....

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-05-2013 12:00AM

Terry1985 wrote: »

That's because it's good for society.
The 'trad mixed couple' are to be encouraged to keep the population going. Which is why hetero couples get children's allowance and other legal rights to offset the cost.

Two men or two women can't procreate (on their own) to keep the population going.
Society is strongly biased towards heterosexuality because it is what you're supposed to do. Behaviour and physicality properly aligned.

Although again, unmarried hetero fathers do not have an automatic right to be legal guardians of their own children, so don't expect two gay guys to adopt anytime soon until real fathers have proper rights.

I've no problem with homosexuality, do what ye like, shouldn't affect job prospects etc, but I don't think society should 'encourage' it.
By that I mean marriage and non biological adoption. Although you could argue the only ones who lose in non biological adoption are the guardians who pay the cost of raising someone else's children/dna.

So, we're going back to the catholic "no sex unless it's for procreation" angle then? The rest of it is thinly-veiled. Also, the aincent Greeks encouraged homosexuality and did all right.

Da Shins Kelly · 23-05-2013 12:51AM

So, if we encourage civil rights for gay people, that means the population is going to plummet?

Just because we have gay marriage and adoption, doesn't suddenly mean that we're all going to become attracted to our own sex and heterosexual relationships are going to drop. What bollocks.

There is absolutely no danger being posed to the human population by gay relationships. If anything, we need a cull on our out of control population at the minute.

token101 · 23-05-2013 01:17AM

Links234 wrote: »

http://www.gcn.ie/Gaybash_on_Georges_Street

Fella kissed his friend goodbye, 4 lads hop out of a car to beat the **** out of him

that's in reference to Dre as in Dray's post that people don't like public displays of affection, gay or straight. so I'd ask, would the same thing have happened if it were a guy and a girl who kissed?

What's your point though? That these two guys deserved special legal protection? What if these guys decided to jump out of the car and kick the **** out of the guy because they wanted his money? Is he less of a victim because they were just opportunist scumbags rather than gay bashers? A hate crime is a ridiculous notion. No one is more or less of a victim in any given crime than anyone else. A punch is a punch, a stabbing is a stabbing. Crime should be punished for the act itself, not the motivation. Very, very few crimes are based on a love for the victim.

Lyaiera · 23-05-2013 01:19AM

token101 wrote: »

What's your point though? That these two guys deserved special legal protection? What if these guys decided to jump out of the car and kick the **** out of the guy because they wanted his money? Is he less of a victim because they were just opportunist scumbags rather than gay bashers? A hate crime is a ridiculous notion. No one is more or less of a victim in any given crime than anyone else. A punch is a punch, a stabbing is a stabbing. Crime should be punished for the act itself, not the motivation. Very, very few crimes are based on a love for the victim.

It rounds out your personality nicely that you see the criminal justice system as a system solely for punishing people.

token101 · 23-05-2013 01:23AM

Lyaiera wrote: »

It rounds out your personality nicely that you see the criminal justice system as a system solely for punishing people.

I love the way you've taken the moral high ground by making a personal attack. Lovely.

orestes · 23-05-2013 01:40AM

token101 wrote: »

What's your point though? That these two guys deserved special legal protection? What if these guys decided to jump out of the car and kick the **** out of the guy because they wanted his money? Is he less of a victim because they were just opportunist scumbags rather than gay bashers? A hate crime is a ridiculous notion. No one is more or less of a victim in any given crime than anyone else. A punch is a punch, a stabbing is a stabbing. Crime should be punished for the act itself, not the motivation. Very, very few crimes are based on a love for the victim.

Motivation is a factor that is considered relevant in the prosecution of pretty much all criminal cases and is very often a mitigating factor when it comes to sentencing.

token101 · 23-05-2013 01:55AM

orestes wrote: »

Motivation is a factor that is considered relevant in the prosecution of pretty much all criminal cases and is very often a mitigating factor when it comes to sentencing.

That's my point. It makes certain people less of a victim and others more so. A random attack in the street for absolutely no reason whatsoever is not any more or less acceptable than beating someone up because they are gay. But the implication of a hate crime is that one is more socially acceptable than the other. It's wrong.

colossus-x · 23-05-2013 02:08AM

I am gald you are not homophobic but it sounds as if you are. I think you completely don't get the point of the march. Good luck.

Heterosexual Pride Day

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