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Heterosexual Pride Day

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  • #512
    tunedout
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 448 ✭✭tunedout


    Daith wrote: »
    You might have. You might think it's logical and rational. Not everyone does so don't use we.

    I can absolutely assure you, you make assumptions about people in your everyday life based on a persons age, sex, race, etc.

    Whether you like it or not, you do.

    I can bet you have never asked a 5 year old kid in Tesco "Sorry, do you work here?".


  • #513
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Canard wrote: »
    A little bit like how there are also straight people who love being the center of attention, one might even say.


    Yup, difference being when a straight person get beaten up for being loud and obnoxious its not called called straight bashing.

    Gay people are way down the pecking list when it comes to being shunned by society. I would say they are on a par with star trek fans at this stage.

    Lets face it a gay guy is more socially accepted the a single straight guy. Life is good for gay people now no need to have a parade.


  • #514
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,399 ✭✭✭Daith


    tunedout wrote: »
    If I am looking to live with a person, who I can discuss sexual encounters with (specifically heterosexual encounters), knowing that that person has been through similar experiences, and has an interest in those experiences (for example difficulties I'm having a girl in a heterosexual relationship) then it is my prerogative to choose a straight housemate. Noone should call me discriminatory or sexist or any of that nonsense for that. It is just one of the things I'd like to be able to discuss with my housemate. And while the homosexual can try to discuss it and listen to the problems or whatever, I can never be comfortable with the idea that they 'understand' because they have not been through something similar enough.

    Scary stuff here. Would you ask potenial straight housemates how many sexual partners they have had? What if a virgin wants to move in? What then! You will have nothing to talk about.

    How will they give you advice about girls.


  • #515
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yup, difference being when a straight person get beaten up for being loud and obnoxious its not called called straight bashing.

    Gay people are way down the pecking list when it comes to being shunned by society. I would say they are on a par with star trek fans at this stage.

    Lets face it a gay guy is more socially accepted the a single straight guy. Life is good for gay people now no need to have a parade.

    I really enjoy seeing this post on the same page as the suggestion that gay people might someday wind up inventing stuff to complain about.


  • #516
    Canard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    tunedout wrote: »
    Yes, we all know outliers. This doesn't make categorisation redundant. Just because I know a girl who loves tractors and machinery, doesn't make it crazy to assume that a girl, picked at random, more than likely has no interest in machinery or tractors, where as there is a much higher chance with a boy.
    That's true, but it doesn't make it right to assume that she won't have any interest whatsoever.
    tunedout wrote: »
    Yes I agree with you here. However, you may say, that,statistically, there is a slightly higher risk that the person is an extremist due to them belonging to a certain religion. That would just be stating facts.
    I think this could be a misrepresentation. There are a lot of extremist Christians too, they're just not necessarily violent or outlandish enough to be noticed as much as other extremists.
    tunedout wrote: »
    Yes, I can make at least some inferences on a person based on their sexuality. Like for example which sex the person is attracted to.
    Well yeah...that's not an inference, that's what they've just told you if they've told you their sexuality.
    tunedout wrote: »
    If I am looking to live with a person, who I can discuss sexual encounters with (specifically heterosexual encounters), knowing that that person has been through similar experiences, and has an interest in those experiences (for example difficulties I'm having a girl in a heterosexual relationship) then it is my prerogative to choose a straight housemate. Noone should call me discriminatory or sexist or any of that nonsense for that. It is just one of the things I'd like to be able to discuss with my housemate. And while the homosexual can try to discuss it and listen to the problems or whatever, I can never be comfortable with the idea that they 'understand' because they have not been through something similar enough.
    That's almost as nitpicky as a girl wanting to live with someone whose fashion sense is the same as hers so that they can share clothes. You're not rejecting them because you can't discuss sexual encounters, let's be honest. Would you reject a gay woman despite being able to discuss girls with her?


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  • #517
    tunedout
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 448 ✭✭tunedout


    Daith wrote: »
    Scary stuff here. Would you ask potenial straight housemates how many sexual partners they have had? What if a virgin wants to move in? What then! You will have nothing to talk about.

    How will they give you advice about girls.

    OK try understand, I'll make it simple.
      I feel I can discuss straight relationship issues much easier with straight people, the same way many homosexuals find it much easier to discuss homosexual issues with other homosexual people (that is why there are homosexual forums, talks, etc.).
      One of the things I like in a person I choose to live with is ease of discussion when it comes to relationship issues.
      Therefore, I might prefer living with a heterosexual person than a homosexual.

    Not so scary after all is it?


  • #518
    tunedout
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 448 ✭✭tunedout


    Canard wrote: »
    let's be honest. Would you reject a gay woman despite being able to discuss girls with her?

    I wouldn't be able to discuss heterosexual issues with her.


  • #519
    Canard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    tunedout wrote: »
    I wouldn't be able to discuss heterosexual issues with her.
    Fair enough, but you don't usually houseshare with just one person.


  • #520
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,399 ✭✭✭Daith


    tunedout wrote: »
    OK try understand, I'll make it simple.
      I feel I can discuss straight relationship issues much easier with straight people, the same way many homosexuals find it much easier to discuss homosexual issues with other homosexual people (that is why there are homosexual forums, talks, etc.).
      One of the things I like in a person I choose to live with is ease of discussion when it comes to relationship issues.
      Therefore, I might prefer living with a heterosexual person than a homosexual.

    Not so scary after all is it?

    You didn't answer my questions. Would you move in with a straight virgin who has never been in a relationship? Would you ask how many relationships a person has had to see if they have enough knowledge about the subject?

    Beside your assumption that you couldn't talk to a homosexual person about hetro relationships (it's never stopped my straight friends asking me advice or talking to me about them) yeah it is abit scary actually.

    You seem to treat every homsexual as the same. That you couldn't live with any of them because they're all the same and obviously wouldn't know. You make assumption about an entire group of people and their life. Trust me, I would have no inclination to live with you based soley on what you post not because you are straight.


  • #521
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Lets face it a gay guy is more socially accepted the a single straight guy. Life is good for gay people now no need to have a parade.

    Why must you tell lies?


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  • #522
    tunedout
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 448 ✭✭tunedout


    Daith wrote: »
    You didn't answer my questions. Would you move in with a straight virgin who has never been in a relationship?

    I don't know it would depend on the person I suppose. If there was two people who were my age, who otherwise were equal, except one was a "virgin who has never been in a relationship" and the other was not a virgin and has had a relationship, I'd say I would choose the one who was not a virgin and has been in a relationship because I would deem them to be of a higher likelihood of being more sociable.
    Daith wrote: »
    Beside your assumption that you couldn't talk to a homosexual person about hetro relationships (it's never stopped my straight friends asking me advice or talking to me about them) yeah it is abit scary actually.

    It's not scary for me that homosexuals prefer talking to homosexuals about certain things. And it's certainly not scary for me to think that a homosexual might prefer to live with a homosexual. I think you are either easily scared, or have some issues with people making their own decisions based on their own preferences. I urge you to think about the case where a homosexual might genuinely like to live with other homosexuals and think if that's normal? For me it is certainly normal.

    Daith wrote: »
    You seem to treat every homsexual as the same. That you couldn't live with any of them because they're all the same and obviously wouldn't know.
    I've outlined many reasons I wouldn't live with a homosexual, I'm not about to start repeating them for your benefit. Look over my previous posts. They are perfectly valid and logical reasons, unless you're a homosexual it seems.
    Daith wrote: »
    Trust me, I would have no inclination to live with you based soley on what you post not because you are straight.
    Trust me, I don't think there's any danger we will ever live together, so lets not even waste the energy on this one will we? :)


  • #523
    Canard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    tunedout wrote: »
    I've outlined many reasons I wouldn't live with a homosexual, I'm not about to start repeating them for your benefit. Look over my previous posts. They are perfectly valid and logical reasons, unless you're a homosexual it seems.
    I don't feel like getting back into a discussion, but I had to point out that one of your previous reasons, "homosexual noises", is a ridiculous reason to not live with a gay person for anyone who's not homophobic - regardless of sexual orientation - so the "unless you're a homosexual" bit is a bit of a silly comment.


  • #524
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    I really hope when you're looking for potential housemates that you declare how big a part of your life talking about your personal relationship shíte is going to be, so that they have the chance to get out of the situation before they have to share a house with you.


  • #525
    orestes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    tunedout wrote: »
    I've outlined many reasons I wouldn't live with a homosexual, I'm not about to start repeating them for your benefit. Look over my previous posts. They are perfectly valid and logical reasons, unless you're a homosexual it seems.

    I'm not homosexual and I think your reasons are invalid and illogical.

    By your reasoning we would all be much happier if we just stuck to living with "our own kind" which is basically trying to use spurious bullsh!t to advocate segregation and trying to use terrible social science to back up and justify your own prejudice. Black people would feel out of place in a white college, women would feel out of place in an office full of men, yada yada yada, change the nouns around all you want but the idea being conveyed is still condescending ignorance.


  • #526
    Xenophile
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,113 ✭✭✭Xenophile


    kfk wrote: »
    First off, I am in now way homophobic. I have wondered though what the reaction from the gay community would be if there was a heterosexual pride day where people marched on the streets and shouted their joy to be straight? If it ever happened, would those involved would be seen to be anti-gay. Again, I would like to stress that I am not homophobic. Would just like to hear opinions.

    Consciously or unconsciously you have to be homophobic to come up with an idea like this.

    The Forum on Spirituality has been closed for years. Please bring it back, there are lots of Spiritual people in Ireland and elsewhere.



  • #527
    tunedout
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 448 ✭✭tunedout


    orestes wrote: »
    I'm not homosexual and I think your reasons are invalid and illogical.

    By your reasoning we would all be much happier if we just stuck to living with "our own kind" which is basically trying to use spurious bullsh!t to advocate segregation and trying to use terrible social science to back up and justify your own prejudice. Black people would feel out of place in a white college, women would feel out of place in an office full of men, yada yada yada, change the nouns around all you want but the idea being conveyed is still condescending ignorance.

    It really is amazing how blind you are to the fact that you discriminate yourself.


  • #528
    orestes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    tunedout wrote: »
    It really is amazing how blind you are to the fact that you discriminate yourself.

    Care to expand on that?


  • #529
    Ravelleman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,635 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ravelleman


    This has almost certainly already been said - making this statement quite ironic - but I can say with absolute confidence that the OP is the first person ever to think of this idea. No one else had even thought of it or said it in conversation with friends before it appeared here on Boards. It is totally original.


  • #530
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Can we not settle for a Bum Fun Pride Parade that heteros/homos can enjoy equally?


  • #531
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Ravelleman wrote: »
    This has almost certainly already been said - making this statement quite ironic - but I can say with absolute confidence that the OP is the first person ever to think of this idea. No one else had even thought of it or said it in conversation with friends before it appeared here on Boards. It is totally original.

    Almost...

    Probably a few others as well...

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • #532
    tunedout
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 448 ✭✭tunedout


    Canard wrote: »
    I don't feel like getting back into a discussion, but I had to point out that one of your previous reasons, "homosexual noises", is a ridiculous reason to not live with a gay person for anyone who's not homophobic - regardless of sexual orientation - so the "unless you're a homosexual" bit is a bit of a silly comment.

    I sometimes hear my roommate having sex. If that was homosexual activity I would not be comfortable with that. Rational. Respect other peoples comfort zones.


  • #533
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    Can we not settle for a Bum Fun Pride Parade that heteros/homos can enjoy equally?

    Nope - a lot of gay men never have anal

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #534
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    tunedout wrote: »
    I sometimes hear my roommate having sex. If that was homosexual activity I would not be comfortable with that. Rational. Respect other peoples comfort zones.

    I know where you're coming from. I can only have a fap when I'm listening to Adam and Eve - Not Adam and STEVE! - making the beast with two backs next door.


  • #535
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That might be the way you feel then there are the others who wont be able to handle not being the center of attention.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yup, difference being when a straight person get beaten up for being loud and obnoxious its not called called straight bashing.

    Gay people are way down the pecking list when it comes to being shunned by society. I would say they are on a par with star trek fans at this stage.

    Lets face it a gay guy is more socially accepted the a single straight guy. Life is good for gay people now no need to have a parade.

    Yeah, you're just brimming with acceptance and tolerance, ain't ya? :rolleyes:


  • #536
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    mango salsa wrote: »
    Nope - a lot of gay men never have anal

    And I think it's safe to say that most gay women don't either.


  • #537
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    NuMarvel wrote: »
    And I think it's safe to say that most gay women don't either.

    They are missing out according to this chart


  • #538
    Lyaiera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    Why can't you just learn to rock out when you hear homosexual noises. Ease yourself into it with these noises.




  • #539
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,604 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yup, difference being when a straight person get beaten up for being loud and obnoxious its not called called straight bashing.

    Gay people are way down the pecking list when it comes to being shunned by society. I would say they are on a par with star trek fans at this stage.

    Lets face it a gay guy is more socially accepted the a single straight guy. Life is good for gay people now no need to have a parade.

    That is as unrealistic as a Star Trek script. Try walking around Dublin or any other Irish City in drag, or just kissing another same-sex person out in public. Even better, do either/or both in the presence of Brenda Power, Irish Newspaper Columnist, and see her reaction as an "atypical" Irish mammy. As for bashing, the straight person being bashed for being obnoxious would probably be suffering it at the hands of other straight people.


  • #540
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    aloyisious wrote: »
    That is as unrealistic as a Star Trek script. Try walking around Dublin or any other Irish City in drag, or just kissing another same-sex person out in public. Even better, do either/or both in the presence of Brenda Power, Irish Newspaper Columnist, and see her reaction as an "atypical" Irish mammy. As for bashing, the straight person being bashed for being obnoxious would probably be suffering it at the hands of other straight people.


    I suppose its unfair comparing a gay person to Star trek. We all know there is alot more Drama from a gay person :P

    Regards to Public deplays of effection. There are people out there that dont like it be it gay or straight. "GET A ROOM" and all that.


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  • #541
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Regards to Public deplays of effection. There are people out there that dont like it be it gay or straight. "GET A ROOM" and all that.
    Do you really believe that two gay men holding hands, or a brief kiss on the lips, would attract no more attention than a man and a woman doing the same? It should be like that but, in reality, it isn't.


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