Heterosexual Pride Day

UCDVet · 20-05-2013 07:05PM

NuMarvel wrote: »

As someone in favour of freedom of expression, I have absolutely no objection to men who have spent many many hours getting fit and staying fit displaying the results of all their hard work. Nope, no siree, no objection whatsoever .

Your sexuality isn't the entirety of your being, but it's a significant part. And more importantly, you don't encounter any discrimination because of that part of you. You're allowed to marry your partner, you're not stared (or worse) at because you hold your partner's hand in public, your ability to be a good parent isn't questioned simply because of your heterosexuality, governments aren't introducing "Kill the Straights" laws or trying to outlaw heterosexual "propaganda", and if you work in a religious-run school, hospital, or business, it's unlikely that your heterosexuality allows your employer to legally fire you.

It would be great to live in a world where being gay is as unremarkable as being hetero, but we're not there yet.

As a polygamist - I feel your pain. Sadly, in most countries, I feel we have a lot further to go towards being accepted than gays do.

UCDVet · 20-05-2013 07:10PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

Ehhh nobody has ever gotten condemned or disowned for eating pizza..... Look at the reaction a pride march got in Russia.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/georgia-homophobic-violence-mars-tbilisi-pride-event-2013-05-17

The reaction is basically condoned by the government........

I consumed alcohol before I was of age - but I had no alcohol pride.
I 'used to do' other illegal drugs - but again....no sense of pride.

I dunno - I don't mean to sound like I'm *against* gay/straight/BSDM/furry/whatever sex Pride anyone has. I just don't 'get it'.

I personally wouldn't attend; but I wouldn't have a problem with someone who did. If a sex-related pride parade were coming down my street - I wouldn't want my children to watch, but short of that - let adults do what they want.

The only actual experience I had with a gay-pride parade did have some people who were certainly inappropriately dressed (or not dressed) - since it was on a public street, I think it's only appropriate to respect decency laws...but short of that, fair play to 'em.

dorkacle · 20-05-2013 07:13PM

My name is URL wrote: »

But being straight is the socially accepted norm. Hence the reason for Gay Pride marches and so forth... it's an attempt for those groups to attain social acceptance and equality.

The idea of a straight-pride event is completely stupid and only ever trotted out by those who refuse to acknowledge that gay people are treated differently by society.

Maybe they should stop marching an shoving their sexuality down other people's throats...?

I don't get the need to 'trumpet' or advertise your sexuality regardless of which way you swing...

I've got gay friends who hate all the attention seeking crap the gay community brings upon itself sometimes, and I'm not suggesting they are the only ones that do it...

I just don't get it I tells you!

jill_valentine · 20-05-2013 07:50PM

dorkacle wrote: »

Maybe they should stop marching an shoving their sexuality down other people's throats...?

I don't get the need to 'trumpet' or advertise your sexuality regardless of which way you swing...

Because you're the "default". You don't need to "trumpet" it because everybody already assumes it about you, correctly. And so, absolutely everything in the pop culture is geared towards you and your tastes at your convenience, at all times.

So no wonder it might not occur to you that other people can't take the same for granted.

aloyisious · 20-05-2013 09:53PM

I could accept there being a chance of a Hetero-Pride day being legitimately required if some-one could come up with a crime report of a straight-bashing by gays here in Ireland, as distinct from gay-bashing by straights, which are still happening here.

1ZRed · 20-05-2013 10:08PM

aloyisious wrote: »

I could accept there being a chance of a Hetero-Pride day being legitimately required if some-one could come up with a crime report of a straight-bashing by gays here in Ireland, as distinct from gay-bashing by straights, which are still happening here.

I'm on it! :pac:

NuMarvel · 20-05-2013 10:19PM

UCDVet wrote: »

As a polygamist - I feel your pain. Sadly, in most countries, I feel we have a lot further to go towards being accepted than gays do.

Really? I'm surprised to hear that because more countries allow polygamous marriages than same sex marriages.

Personally, I could never be a polygamist. I'm lucky if I find one guy that fancies me. The odds of finding two, at the same time, would be astronomical! Plus I'm crap at remembering birthdays and anniversaries so neither relationship would last for long. And I hog the duvet. That would probably be the deal breaker to be honest.

crockholm · 20-05-2013 10:20PM

aloyisious wrote: »

I could accept there being a chance of a Hetero-Pride day being legitimately required if some-one could come up with a crime report of a straight-bashing by gays here in Ireland, as distinct from gay-bashing by straights, which are still happening here.

Would male rape qualify?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 20-05-2013 10:59PM

dorkacle wrote: »

Maybe they should stop marching an shoving their sexuality down other people's throats...?

I don't get the need to 'trumpet' or advertise your sexuality regardless of which way you swing...

I've got gay friends who hate all the attention seeking crap the gay community brings upon itself sometimes, and I'm not suggesting they are the only ones that do it...

I just don't get it I tells you!

How in the name of all that is holy is it "shoving it down people's troaths"? I mean, it's a parade. And it's easy to avoid. There's a St Patrick's Day parade, but no one compains that we're shoving our Irishness down people's troaths!

Any group of people that are oppressed or banned will, when they are finally given the chance to express themsleves openly, do just that.

hooradiation · 20-05-2013 11:23PM

dorkacle wrote: »

Maybe they should stop marching an shoving their sexuality down other people's throats...?

Yeah! Why don't the just quietly accepts second class citizen? I mean gosh, reminding me that people don't enjoy the same privileges that I do is just so rude.

awec · 21-05-2013 12:00AM

hooradiation wrote: »

Yeah! Why don't the just quietly accepts second class citizen? I mean gosh, reminding me that people don't enjoy the same privileges that I do is just so rude.

Can't people just have parades to celebrate being heterosexual?

Terry1985 · 21-05-2013 12:00AM

hooradiation wrote: »

Yeah! Why don't the just quietly accepts second class citizen?

Marriage is the human equivalent of pair bonding in animals. It's primarily to get a biological couple, a man and a woman, to commit to a life long relationship to raise a family. That's the historical and traditional basis of it.
It is recognised in law by the state to protect vulnerable wives and children, granting solid rights of inheritance, guardianship, etc.

What has that to do with two guys?
It's not like they're vulnerable or sacrifice careers to raise a family.
The only reason these issues are given any airtime is because politicians are afraid of losing votes.

jill_valentine · 21-05-2013 12:10AM

awec wrote: »

Can't people just have parades to celebrate being heterosexual?

Did you mean: "every other parade ever."

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-05-2013 12:10AM

Terry1985 wrote: »

Marriage is the human equivalent of pair bonding in animals. It's primarily to get a biological couple, a man and a woman, to commit to a life long relationship to raise a family. That's the historical and traditional basis of it.
It is recognised in law by the state to protect vulnerable wives and children, granting solid rights of inheritance, guardianship, etc.

What has that to do with two guys?
It's not like they're vulnerable or sacrifice careers to raise a family.
The only reason these issues are given any airtime is because politicians are afraid of losing votes.

You conveniently left out the most important things about marraige: love and committment. And you don't need to be heterosecual to experience these things.

awec · 21-05-2013 12:12AM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Did you mean: "every other parade ever."

Really? Which parades are a celebration of heterosexuality?

1ZRed · 21-05-2013 12:19AM

awec wrote: »

Really? Which parades are a celebration of heterosexuality?

Ah jesus, you know yourself everyday is heterosexual pride day because everyone assumes you're straight and 99% of the world is geared towards the assumption that straight is the standard for everyone rather than the assumption that people can be different to that, whether gay or bisexual.

So what's one day then to highlight that? It's not my thing but I don't see the harm of it.

orestes · 21-05-2013 12:20AM

awec wrote: »

Can't people just have parades to celebrate being heterosexual?

They have one every day, thousands of them clogging up the streets, couples holding hands, loads of them checking each other out, raunchy fellas hanging out of car windows and beeping their horns at the pretty ladies, everyone celebrating and enjoying their heteroness for everybody to see without a care in the world, heteros as far as the eye can see. Tis really pretty cool.

The unfortunate thing is that they don't even realise it's happening and they take it so much for granted, and the weird thing is that a small number of them get all p!ssed off that other people do it on one day a year.

awec · 21-05-2013 12:26AM

But can't we have an official parade to celebrate being heterosexual?

I'm not pissed off that there is a gay pride parade. What annoys me is the paper thin excuses to speak out against a similar parade for heterosexual people as if they are undeserving of such an event.

On top of that, the gay pride parade has become a bit of a parody of itself which to me is a bit of a shame.

jill_valentine · 21-05-2013 12:27AM

awec wrote: »

Really? Which parades are a celebration of heterosexuality?

Without fail, when the idea of a pride parade comes up, people talk about how gay people are "making a show of themselves" by being, for instance lairy or wearing feather boas or whatever. In other words, that all gay people are apparently messier than any straight people would be at, for instance, St. Patricks Day parades. Or more "flamboyant" and sexualised than straight people would be at, for instance, Mardi Gras celebrations. More tacky than any random stag weekend in Temple Bar. And so on, so on, so on.etc etc etc

Basically, gay people have one parade a year when they get to cut loose and act like straight people can as a matter of course, or not, or whatever the hell they feel like, as they wish. They get one day out of the year that's theirs, to do whatever the hell they want to do with, and that, for some reason, is an outrageous ask.

awec · 21-05-2013 12:30AM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Without fail, when the idea of a pride parade comes up, people talk about how gay people are "making a show of themselves" by being, for instance lairy or wearing feather boas or whatever. In other words, that all gay people are apparently messier than any straight people would be at, for instance, St. Patricks Day parades. Or more "flamboyant" and sexualised than straight people would be at, for instance, Mardi Gras celebrations. More tacky than any random stag weekend in Temple Bar. And so on, so on, so on.etc etc etc

Basically, gay people have one parade a year when they get to cut loose and act like straight people can as a matter of course, or not, or whatever the hell they feel like, as they wish. They get one day out of the year that's theirs, to do whatever the hell they want to do with, and that, for some reason, is an outrageous ask.

This post doesn't really answer the question I asked at all. I fear you've missed the point entirely.

Why can't straight people have this one day a year to parade and cut loose and do what they want in a celebration of their straightness? Let them have their day etc etc. Why are some people so outraged at the prospect of this?

You said every other parade ever was a celebration of heterosexuality. Clearly this is absolute nonsense.

Zhane · 21-05-2013 12:37AM

awec wrote: »

This post doesn't really answer the question I asked at all. I fear you've missed the point entirely.

Why can't straight people have this one day a year to parade and cut loose and do what they want in a celebration of their straightness? Let them have their day etc etc. Why are some people so outraged at the prospect of this?

You said every other parade ever was a celebration of heterosexuality. Clearly this is absolute nonsense.

No one is stopping you organising one.

Canard · 21-05-2013 12:40AM

Terry1985 wrote: »

Marriage is the human equivalent of pair bonding in animals. It's primarily to get a biological couple, a man and a woman, to commit to a life long relationship to raise a family. That's the historical and traditional basis of it.
It is recognised in law by the state to protect vulnerable wives and children, granting solid rights of inheritance, guardianship, etc.

What has that to do with two guys?
It's not like they're vulnerable or sacrifice careers to raise a family.
The only reason these issues are given any airtime is because politicians are afraid of losing votes.

So should we stop infertile couples from being allowed to marry then? Or people who just don't want children? It's either a rigid, child-only set-up or it isn't.

awec wrote: »

This post doesn't really answer the question I asked at all. I fear you've missed the point entirely.

Why can't straight people have this one day a year to parade and cut loose and do what they want in a celebration of their straightness? Let them have their day etc etc. Why are some people so outraged at the prospect of this?

But why is it that it's needed? Do you ever feel cautious about holding your opposite sex partner's hand walking down the street? Do you ever wonder if it's okay to mention it to someone you've just met? It would trivialise what gay people go through on a day-to-day basis to have a straight pride parade. It's less to do with "pride" in my mind and more to do with not having to be ashamed. Not having a straight parade is nothing to do with not allowing straight people to beproud of their heterosexuality, and more to do with the redundancy, in my opinion. It's a bit like asking why there's no hospital for well people, or soup kitchens for rich people because surely they also deserve some free food. It doesn't make much sense.

orestes · 21-05-2013 12:41AM

awec wrote: »

But can't we have an official parade to celebrate being heterosexual?

I'm not pissed off that there is a gay pride parade. What annoys me is the paper thin excuses to speak out against a similar parade for heterosexual people as if they are undeserving of such an event.

awec wrote: »

Why can't straight people have this one day a year to parade and cut loose and do what they want in a celebration of their straightness? Let them have their day etc etc. Why are some people so outraged at the prospect of this?

How do you think a hetero pride parade would go, as in what would be the idea behind it? Or what do you think would even be the point of it? What could it possibly be intended to achieve? It would be like having a white people Million Man March.

The only reason I can think of for heterosexual people wanting a heterosexual pride parade is thinking "well if they get a parade then we should get one too!" which either just sounds childish or is completely missing the point.

MaroonAndGreen · 21-05-2013 12:46AM

davet82 wrote: »

no that's drunken prick day

ha, your not very patriotic I guess

awec · 21-05-2013 12:49AM

Canard wrote: »

Not having a straight parade is nothing to do with not allowing straight people to beproud of their heterosexuality, and more to do with the redundancy, in my opinion.

But this is all very convenient.

Does a parade have to be needed? Why can't we just have a parade to celebrate people who are heterosexual?

orestes wrote: »

How do you think a hetero pride parade would go, as in what would be the idea behind it? Or what do you think would even be the point of it? What could it possibly be intended to achieve? It would be like having a white people Million Man March.

The only reason I can think of for heterosexual people wanting a heterosexual pride parade is thinking "well if they get a parade then we should get one too!" which either just sounds childish or is completely missing the point.

This is the problem that I mentioned. As I said before, gay pride has become such a parody of itself that whatever point it tries to make nowadays is mixed up amongst all the nonsense.

If the purpose of gay pride is genuinely to promote gay rights then whoever organises these parades is truly awful at what they do, because the message they convey is nothing of the sort.

I am pro gay rights and pro gay marriage. I have gay family and I have gay friends. I have no problem at all with gay people, but the inconsistencies and sheer hypocrisy that emanates from certain groupings (and this is certainly not all gay people by any stretch of the imagination) is incredibly infuriating.

You either allow and encourage people to celebrate their sexuality or you don't. This picky choosy stuff based on who is the minority and who is the majority is far from the supposed equality that people want to supposedly promote.

Absoluvely · 21-05-2013 12:51AM

I don't think there should be any gay pride days or hetero pride days.

Pride should be reserved for achievements and your orientation is not an achievement.

I wouldn't have a problem with an orientation-equality or orientation-respect day though.

Canard · 21-05-2013 12:56AM

awec wrote: »

But this is all very convenient.

Does a parade have to be needed? Why can't we just have a parade to celebrate people who are heterosexual?

What's convenient, the fact that you don't need a parade? It's also fortunate. What you're saying is similar to saying "well YEAH Haiti got money to repair itself after the earthquake, but Ireland needs money too, why can't we have some? Why should we need to have it, why can't they just give it to us?", or why can't we celebrate when it's not our birthdays. There's no need to celebrate normality, but again, it's less about celebrating and more about not discriminating. If your rights are intact, then you don't need a parade.

awec · 21-05-2013 12:59AM

Canard wrote: »

What's convenient, the fact that you don't need a parade? It's also fortunate. What you're saying is similar to saying "well YEAH Haiti got money to repair itself after the earthquake, but Ireland needs money too, why can't we have some? Why should we need to have it, why can't they just give it to us?", or why can't we celebrate when it's not our birthdays. There's no need to celebrate normality, but again, it's less about celebrating and more about not discriminating. If your rights are intact, then you don't need a parade.

I'm actually surprised that you called heterosexuality "normality", because I would disagree with that. Homosexuals are no more abnormal than a straight person. I'm not sure you meant it that way though!

Canard · 21-05-2013 01:04AM

awec wrote: »

I'm actually surprised that you called heterosexuality "normality", because I would disagree with that. Homosexuals are no more abnormal than a straight person. I'm not sure you meant it that way though!

...I'm not sure if you're genuinely trying to find homophobic undertones in my post or not, considering you've just been asking why there's no straight pride parade, but I'm not straight, so there's your answer if you're questioning my opinions of gay people. I was using the word normal to refer to the 364 days of the year when it's not your birthday and the much larger proportion of the population who are straight, that's all.

awec · 21-05-2013 01:06AM

Canard wrote: »

...I'm not sure if you're genuinely trying to imply I'm homophobic or not, considering you've just been asking why there's no straight pride parade, but I'm not straight, so there's your answer if you're questioning my opinions of gay people. I was using the word normal to refer to the 364 days of the year when it's not your birthday and the much larger proportion of the population who are straight, that's all.

Oh, I am 100% not implying you are homophobic or anything. I think that term is thrown around far too liberally along with other similar slurs.

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