Would you like have the right to own a handgun in Ireland?

12gauge dave · 19-05-2013 03:34AM

The problem with handhuns is that there is no reason to having one as they are of no use to shooting foxs rabbits etc so the only use they have is for close range combat with other humans really.

Nodin · 19-05-2013 03:34AM

Gatling wrote: »

You can't have a hand gun ,

You can have large calibre rifles

Semi auto shotguns / double barrels /pumps

And apparently in some cases the dreaded( AR 15)

That was due to whats technically known as "Fianna Fail Ignorant Thick in Knee Jerk Populist Something-Must-Be-Done Move"

garv123 · 19-05-2013 03:36AM

Unlicensed.. no not a hope because they're would be no way of stopping every criminal/scumbag/nutjob from owning one..

Nodin · 19-05-2013 03:37AM

12gauge dave wrote: »

As a legal owner of a shotgun i d

Finish yer sentences....?

Latchy · 19-05-2013 03:42AM

Nodin wrote: »

Finish yer sentences....?

I don't have time now so I'll read it tomorrow afternoon ...if he finishes it that is .

JD DABA · 19-05-2013 03:42AM

Gatling wrote: »

You can't have a hand gun ,

You can have large calibre rifles

Semi auto shotguns / double barrels /pumps

And apparently in some cases the dreaded( AR 15) type guns

Difficult to conceal a rifle on your person.

Chuck Stone · 19-05-2013 03:42AM

garv123 wrote: »

Unlicensed.. no not a hope because they're would be no way of stopping every criminal/scumbag/nutjob from owning one..

But is there a way of stopping them now if they're determined enough??

Do strict gun laws mean that determined criminals/scumbags/nutjobs will have guns and responsible people won't?

Witcher · 19-05-2013 03:44AM

JD DABA wrote: »

Difficult to conceal a rifle on your person.

You'd think that but then you probably haven't seen a 10/22 takedown.

FanadMan · 19-05-2013 03:46AM

I've used handguns at ranges and been taught proper safety. I would like to own one myself but have it held at the range - think that having one at home is dangerous. If there was a break-in, I would hate to imagine it being stolen and used to rob or kill someone.

Think the laws on firearms here are silly - if your local superintendent doesn't like your face, you don't get a licence at all.

jill_valentine · 19-05-2013 03:50AM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

But is there a way of stopping them now if they're determined enough??

Do strict gun laws mean that determined criminals/scumbags/nutjobs will have guns and responsible people won't?

Taking America, as an example - almost all illegal firearms in that country started out as legal, personal guns. For instance, somebody keeps it in their bedside locker in the expectation that if their house is ever broken into, the intruder will be gracious enough to break in while they're there for some reason, and then make a load of noise to announce themselves, and then walk slowly through the door presenting a nice polite target.

What actually happens is - while the homeowner is away, the house is robbed, and the gun in the locker is stolen, with an excellent chance of being used on somebody else.

There's an effectively infinite and unchecked supply of potentially lethal weapons being constantly pumped into the environment. So the illegal proliferation of firearms is directly and unquestionably supported by the legal firearm market.

JD DABA · 19-05-2013 03:50AM

Blay wrote: »

You'd think that but then you probably haven't seen a 10/22 takedown.

Not gonna quickly sneak up on someone with that now are ya.
or draw it.

Gatling · 19-05-2013 03:52AM

JD DABA wrote: »

Not gonna quickly sneak up on someone with that now are ya.
or draw it.

Quite easy actually

Latchy · 19-05-2013 03:54AM

If I had the choice of stabbing or shooting a burglar ( in defence of myself or family ) then I would take the hand gun anytime ,if only because I've have used them in the military and it's not as messy or as personal as a knife but either ways , I'll do whatever it takes to preserve mine or my family's life and worry about how and why I did it later .

Chuck Stone · 19-05-2013 03:55AM

12gauge dave wrote: »

The problem with handguns is that there is no reason to having one....

There isn't?

You live in a remote area and there's been a spate of aggravated home robberies. Is it right to make it difficult for someone to buy a handgun for their own security?

Witcher · 19-05-2013 03:55AM

JD DABA wrote: »

Not gonna quickly sneak up on someone with that now are ya.
or draw it.

True but it would be far more use to you in a gun fight than a pistol. A lot harder to use a pistol than it is a rifle.

JD DABA · 19-05-2013 03:56AM

Gatling wrote: »

Quite easy actually

lol ..yeah.

west coast mother...hang on, zip, click, click, click... ffff hang on.

Witcher · 19-05-2013 03:58AM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

There isn't?

You live in a remote area and there's been a spate of aggravated home robberies. Is it right to make it difficult for someone to buy a handgun for their own security?

The average person would be better served by a long gun than a pistol. Takes time to learn to use a pistol correctly.

Gatling · 19-05-2013 04:00AM

There is a downside to using a gun for self defense is risk of accidentally shooting a family member ,ie you jump out of bed hearing a noise down stairs grab your gun and go running a popping off a few shots next thing your looking at your dying or dead kid who was getting a drink or raiding the munchies

DEFTLEFTHAND · 19-05-2013 04:02AM

Would anyone here truthfully be prepared to use the gun in a situation. Would you have it in you to shoot somebody?

In the mob it's called making your bones, proving that you're a standup guy. Many back out at this stage, the leap to becoming a 'made man' is too far for those with a conscience.

19-05-2013 04:03AM

kraggy wrote: »

No. Because I would be too tempted to take out some scumbags with it.

I don't like scumbags. I really, really don't.

Yes. Because I am tempted to take out some scumbags with it.

I don't like scumbags. I really, really don't.

jill_valentine · 19-05-2013 04:04AM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

There isn't?

You live in a remote area and there's been a spate of aggravated home robberies. Is it right to make it difficult for someone to buy a handgun for their own security?

The handgun doesn't have any effect of making that person safer, is the problem. Having a gun in the home statistically puts the people in the household at a far greater risk of firearm injury, either malicious, accidental or self inflicted.

Most murder victims know their killers. The politely presenting baddie coming in through the front door and setting themselves up like a cutout in a shooting gallery is more a product of John Wayne fantasies than a present, threatening reality.

JD DABA · 19-05-2013 04:06AM

Whats the practical need for a handgun anyway. Over a shotgun/rifle.

(Other than for a niche sport)

hunting, defending your home, target practice - no handgun necessary.

(this could go for semi automatic weapons too)

Witcher · 19-05-2013 04:08AM

JD DABA wrote: »

Whats the practical need for a handgun anyway. Over a shotgun/rifle.

(Other than for a niche sport)

hunting, defending your home, target practice - no handgun necessary.

(this could go for semi automatic weapons too)

Target shooting is a valid use for them. That's what they're licenced for in Ireland.

You can hunt with a pistol, people hunt deer with them in the US.

jill_valentine · 19-05-2013 04:10AM

Blay wrote: »

You can hunt with a pistol, people hunt deer with them in the US.

Jaysus, would have to be a fairly hefty calibre for that though, wouldn't it?

Witcher · 19-05-2013 04:13AM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Jaysus, would have to be a fairly hefty calibre for that though, wouldn't it?

.44mag or .357 usually. You hear of people using all sorts; .45's, .38's etc.

Skerries · 19-05-2013 04:15AM

what are the statistics for violence related crime due to a burglary in Ireland?
very low I would imagine, most burglars try to do their business when the house is empty
most likely a burglar in Ireland isn't packing any kind of weapon due to the fact that if they do get pinched it would add time to their sentence
so have a baseball bat or Hurley stick beside your bed and you are in the same position as if you had a gun and were alerted to somebody in your home.
I would hate for Ireland to turn into the situation that gun dominant countries are in now

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/americas/us-gun-deaths-off-the-charts-but-other-countries-tell-a-different-tale

JD DABA · 19-05-2013 04:17AM

Blay wrote: »

Target shooting is a valid use for them. That's what they're licenced or in Ireland.

You can hunt with a pistol, people hunt deer with them in the US.

right, target shooting, a niche sport.

You can indeed hunt with a pistol, but you could just as easily use a rifle.
i.e they serve no unique function in hunting.

the sport shooting could take place on ranges which hold the pistols, all in .22.

they're almost entirely un-necessary.

jamaamaj · 19-05-2013 04:19AM

Hasmunch wrote: »

No way, if I could get a hand gun then that means every little scumbag on the street has easy access to get them too. The less everyday exposure to guns the better

Street thugs or scumbags (as you put it) will always access to guns no matter what..

Witcher · 19-05-2013 04:19AM

JD DABA wrote: »

the sport shooting could take place on ranges which hold the pistols, all in .22.

Can't use a .22 shooting IPSC or WA1500 etc. Need centrefires.

Gatling · 19-05-2013 04:20AM

Blay wrote: »

.44mag or .357 usually. You hear of people using all sorts; .45's, .38's etc.

Add the above to the rising number of .50 conversation kits available to various gun owners ,
A lot of skill involved taking down game with a pistol

Would you like have the right to own a handgun in Ireland?

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