Would you like have the right to own a handgun in Ireland?

Chuck Stone

I'm talking about being able to own a handgun (not an assault rifle) and being able to buy one and keep it at home without having to be licensed.

Vito Corleone

I really couldn't care less tbh, not that into guns. What about you?

kraggy

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I'm talking about being able to own a handgun (not an assault rifle) and being able to buy one and keep it at home without having to be licensed.

No. Because I would be too tempted to take out some scumbags with it.

I don't like scumbags. I really, really don't.

pragmatic1

Yes I'd love to have a hand gun. However, it would be really dangerous for me to keep one in the house.

The Barefoot Pizza Thief

I would, but only because I'd feel more like Kenneth Hutchinson when I drive around. At the moment I just pretend I have a gun and it's just not the same.

DarkJager

Yes. I'd love to have the option of vacating some scumbags skull of their brains if they ever break in to my house.

Kichote

Yes it would be nice to have for shooting empty beer tins and that sort of thing. Good craic

If you havn't a history of violence behind you then i dont see why the government would disallow you from owning a simple piece of metal capable of firing a bullet

Chuck Stone

Vito Corleone wrote: »

I really couldn't care less tbh, not that into guns. What about you?

But you cared enough to post and ask me how I felt about it? You know what? When I don't care about an issue I don't post in those threads.

I'm going to add a poll but I'm waiting to see the responses to help me make it consider people's attitudes to gun ownership.

Kichote

Chuck Stone wrote: »

But you cared enough to post and ask me how I felt about it? You know what? When I don't care about an issue I don't post in those threads.

I'm going to add a poll but I'm waiting to see the responses to help me make it consider people's attitudes to gun ownership.

I'm guessing people's attitude will be fairly oppressive considering the stories we've been fed about 'gun nuts' in the states. There are probably a good few people here who unfortunately want an outright ban on all guns

Hasmunch

No way, if I could get a hand gun then that means every little scumbag on the street has easy access to get them too. The less everyday exposure to guns the better

kraggy

Kichote wrote: »

Yes it would be nice to have for shooting empty beer tins and that sort of thing. Good craic

If you havn't a history of violence behind you then i dont see why the government would disallow you from owning a simple piece of metal capable of firing a bullet

Because many murderers had no history of violence before their first kill.

And because taking someone's life is the worst thing that can be done to them. Nobody should have the right to take a life, including governments.

Vito Corleone

Chuck Stone wrote: »

But you cared enough to post and ask me how I felt about it? You know what? When I don't care about an issue I don't post in those threads.

Chill out, man. I wasn't trying to be smart or anything. Guns are just not something I'm that bothered with. I asked you because I genuinely wanted to know what you thought. No need to get so defensive.

Chuck Stone

Kichote wrote: »

I'm guessing people's attitude will be fairly oppressive considering the stories we've been fed about 'gun nuts' in the states. There are probably a good few people here who unfortunately want an outright ban on all guns

Okay, but I was waiting to be guided by questions like 'can I carry it with me all the time' etc.

I don't own a gun, I've never even seen a real gun, so I'm starting this thread for my own learning as much as any other motive.

Gatling

Unlicensed firearms like that's smart idea ,
Anybody thinking I'd take out bad guys should remember unlicensed ownership mean's there more than likely to shoot you first with there unlicensed gun

SicklySweet

I wouldn't trust myself with a gun. If some bollox broke into my house, i'd have much more satisfaction beating their head in with a brick :pac:

Latchy

The right to own a handgun is one thing , the problem there is misuse of them in the wrong hands and you only have to see the Irish/UK statistics for unlawful use of same ie, drug related shootings to and that's without the loony /disturbed element who might want to use them just for the sake of it .If I kept a handgun in my home it would be unloaded ,with magazine kept apart from the weapon so as to prevent any accidents.

Chuck Stone

Vito Corleone wrote: »

Chill out, man. I wasn't trying to be smart or anything. Guns are just not something I'm that bothered with. I asked you because I genuinely wanted to know what you thought. No need to get so defensive.

Okay, sorry for getting angsty.

I'm not sure what I think tbh. One part of me thinks 'why the hell shouldn't I be allowed to own a gun' and the other thinks 'guns are bad - there's no need for liberal gun ownership in a civilised country'.

Tbh I'm not sure what to think about the issue. If I was forced to choose I'd say I'd rather be free to own a gun than than not.

The idea for this thread just came out of my head a couple of minutes ago - I haven't been planning it for days/months etc so I don't have an agenda to push.

Nodin

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I'm talking about being able to own a handgun (not an assault rifle) and being able to buy one and keep it at home without having to be licensed.

Yep.

irishmover

Kichote wrote: »

I'm guessing people's attitude will be fairly oppressive considering the stories we've been fed about 'gun nuts' in the states. There are probably a good few people here who unfortunately want an outright ban on all guns

Why is that unfortunate?

General General

Coming soon. 3D printed plastic guns that fire bullet-bullet-type bullets.

JD DABA

Nae, if I can have one w/o licence then many others can.

Given the number of fantasists out there playing first person shooter games all day and/or then dressing up like commandos.

Combined with the pisheads, nutters, extremists, gangsters and skangers out there I'd feel less secure.

(gun clubs/ranges where you can lease all sorts of goodies might be nice)

jill_valentine

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I don't own a gun, I've never even seen a real gun, so I'm starting this thread for my own learning as much as any other motive.

I've spent a lot of time around guns, and I'm absolutely opposed to personal handgun ownership. It's a recipe for disaster, and I've yet to see anybody offer a decent counter-argument to the associated dangers, risks and statistics beyond "But... but I wanna!"

Gatling

How ever did we cope with the 1200 legally held hand guns a few years ago

20Cent

We'll be able to print one off soon enough.

IIIAcHmEdIII

Yes I would but i would also like to see it strictly controlled as to who can legally own such a handgun for personnel defense. you should have to apply for a license for the handgun and through this process you must have done a firearms safety course and also have been checked for mental stability and a criminal record of course.

If these checks are done and the applicant checks out to be clear and passes all tests then they should have the right to own and use a handgun be it for recreation or for personnel defense.

Latchy

What's the old saying '' it's not guns that kill people ,it's people that use the guns '' so in the land of ' everybody has the right to own a gun ' how do you difference between the sane ,criminal and not so sane ,who have easy access to them ?

Nodin

Gatling wrote: »

How ever did we cope with the 1200 legally held hand guns a few years ago

Indeed. Pre- the early 1970's, how did we ever cope with the range of rifles and handguns in private ownsership? It must have been like the wild west....

JD DABA

Nodin wrote: »

Indeed. Pre- the early 1970's, how did we ever cope with the range of rifles and handguns in private ownsership? It must have been like the wild west....

Nah, in the wild west towns made you check in your weapons on arrival.
Helped prevent chaos.

Chuck Stone

IIIAcHmEdIII wrote: »

you should have to apply for a license for the handgun and through this process you must ... have been checked for ... a criminal record of course..

So that excludes people who were were caught smoking/selling weed, buying/selling sex, not paying TV licence etc?

A criminal record has little bearing on predictions of violent nature does it?

Latchy

Gatling wrote: »

How ever did we cope with the 1200 legally held hand guns a few years ago

The ones that were registered ? ...you could probably add another 1200 or more because Ireland was never great on ' final statistics ' on anything .

The idea that somebody has more right to carry a firearm then somebody else ( except policemen ,soldiers and VIP's ) is open to interpretation ....any fool with a licence under the influence can involuntary let of a few rounds on some innocent or himself

Gatling

You can't have a hand gun ,

You can have large calibre rifles

Semi auto shotguns / double barrels /pumps

And apparently in some cases the dreaded( AR 15) type guns

12gauge dave

The problem with handhuns is that there is no reason to having one as they are of no use to shooting foxs rabbits etc so the only use they have is for close range combat with other humans really.

Nodin

Gatling wrote: »

You can't have a hand gun ,

You can have large calibre rifles

Semi auto shotguns / double barrels /pumps

And apparently in some cases the dreaded( AR 15)

That was due to whats technically known as "Fianna Fail Ignorant Thick in Knee Jerk Populist Something-Must-Be-Done Move"

garv123

Unlicensed.. no not a hope because they're would be no way of stopping every criminal/scumbag/nutjob from owning one..

Nodin

12gauge dave wrote: »

As a legal owner of a shotgun i d

Finish yer sentences....?

Latchy

Nodin wrote: »

Finish yer sentences....?

I don't have time now so I'll read it tomorrow afternoon ...if he finishes it that is .

JD DABA

Gatling wrote: »

You can't have a hand gun ,

You can have large calibre rifles

Semi auto shotguns / double barrels /pumps

And apparently in some cases the dreaded( AR 15) type guns

Difficult to conceal a rifle on your person.

Chuck Stone

garv123 wrote: »

Unlicensed.. no not a hope because they're would be no way of stopping every criminal/scumbag/nutjob from owning one..

But is there a way of stopping them now if they're determined enough??

Do strict gun laws mean that determined criminals/scumbags/nutjobs will have guns and responsible people won't?

Witcher

JD DABA wrote: »

Difficult to conceal a rifle on your person.

You'd think that but then you probably haven't seen a 10/22 takedown.

FanadMan

I've used handguns at ranges and been taught proper safety. I would like to own one myself but have it held at the range - think that having one at home is dangerous. If there was a break-in, I would hate to imagine it being stolen and used to rob or kill someone.

Think the laws on firearms here are silly - if your local superintendent doesn't like your face, you don't get a licence at all.

jill_valentine

Chuck Stone wrote: »

But is there a way of stopping them now if they're determined enough??

Do strict gun laws mean that determined criminals/scumbags/nutjobs will have guns and responsible people won't?

Taking America, as an example - almost all illegal firearms in that country started out as legal, personal guns. For instance, somebody keeps it in their bedside locker in the expectation that if their house is ever broken into, the intruder will be gracious enough to break in while they're there for some reason, and then make a load of noise to announce themselves, and then walk slowly through the door presenting a nice polite target.

What actually happens is - while the homeowner is away, the house is robbed, and the gun in the locker is stolen, with an excellent chance of being used on somebody else.

There's an effectively infinite and unchecked supply of potentially lethal weapons being constantly pumped into the environment. So the illegal proliferation of firearms is directly and unquestionably supported by the legal firearm market.

JD DABA

Blay wrote: »

You'd think that but then you probably haven't seen a 10/22 takedown.

Not gonna quickly sneak up on someone with that now are ya.
or draw it.

Gatling

JD DABA wrote: »

Not gonna quickly sneak up on someone with that now are ya.
or draw it.

Quite easy actually

Latchy

If I had the choice of stabbing or shooting a burglar ( in defence of myself or family ) then I would take the hand gun anytime ,if only because I've have used them in the military and it's not as messy or as personal as a knife but either ways , I'll do whatever it takes to preserve mine or my family's life and worry about how and why I did it later .

Chuck Stone

12gauge dave wrote: »

The problem with handguns is that there is no reason to having one....

There isn't?

You live in a remote area and there's been a spate of aggravated home robberies. Is it right to make it difficult for someone to buy a handgun for their own security?

Witcher

JD DABA wrote: »

Not gonna quickly sneak up on someone with that now are ya.
or draw it.

True but it would be far more use to you in a gun fight than a pistol. A lot harder to use a pistol than it is a rifle.

JD DABA

Gatling wrote: »

Quite easy actually

lol ..yeah.

west coast mother...hang on, zip, click, click, click... ffff hang on.

Witcher

Chuck Stone wrote: »

There isn't?

You live in a remote area and there's been a spate of aggravated home robberies. Is it right to make it difficult for someone to buy a handgun for their own security?

The average person would be better served by a long gun than a pistol. Takes time to learn to use a pistol correctly.

Gatling

There is a downside to using a gun for self defense is risk of accidentally shooting a family member ,ie you jump out of bed hearing a noise down stairs grab your gun and go running a popping off a few shots next thing your looking at your dying or dead kid who was getting a drink or raiding the munchies

DEFTLEFTHAND

Would anyone here truthfully be prepared to use the gun in a situation. Would you have it in you to shoot somebody?

In the mob it's called making your bones, proving that you're a standup guy. Many back out at this stage, the leap to becoming a 'made man' is too far for those with a conscience.

kraggy

kraggy wrote: »

No. Because I would be too tempted to take out some scumbags with it.

I don't like scumbags. I really, really don't.

Yes. Because I am tempted to take out some scumbags with it.

I don't like scumbags. I really, really don't.