Dublin bus lad goes all psycho and stuff!

allez · 17-05-2013 09:08PM #1

So there i was pedaling along enjoying my evening, lovely it was too. Bus driver is driving along side me and then decides to turn to his left into the depot. of course im on the inside of the bus as he turns with only the foot path as my friend. so a firm wallop was applied to the side of the bus to make my presence felt as i barely stayed up right on the road. somehow made it up onto the path and the driver stopped and then of course proceeded to get all angry and resorted to the tried and test erratic hand gestures technique for added panache.

how in gods name am i meant to see an indicator when im right on the inside of the bus! surely he should be watching his side mirrors? bloody bus drivers!:mad:

BostonB · 17-05-2013 09:13PM

Shirley is rubbish at watching mirrors.

v6e5qzawyrc3jn · 17-05-2013 09:17PM

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allez · 17-05-2013 09:26PM

Emersyn Attractive Quadruped wrote: »

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well its difficult when the bus overtakes you and pins you in, im surely entitled to cycle where i was and the bus should be watching the road before taking any turn for the sheer craic.

adamski8 · 17-05-2013 09:29PM

should have taken note of reg and report him so

BostonB · 17-05-2013 09:31PM

allez wrote: »

well its difficult when the bus overtakes you....

You didn't really make that clear in fairness.

Make It Happen 968 · 17-05-2013 09:31PM

Of course he should be watching the side mirrors, thats a big vehicle and the main duty is not to crush cyclists or pedestrians with it. I hope the bus driver takes it as a lesson learned.

v6e5qzawyrc3jn · 17-05-2013 09:31PM

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Wishbone Ash · 17-05-2013 09:37PM

Emersyn Attractive Quadruped wrote: »

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Did you read the opening post at all?

He/she was cycling along and the bus decided to turn left across his/her path (not at a junction).

buffalo · 17-05-2013 09:40PM

allez wrote: »

well its difficult when the bus overtakes you and pins you in, im surely entitled to cycle where i was and the bus should be watching the road before taking any turn for the sheer craic.

They have a complaint form on their site somewhere, drop them a line with the bus number and time and location. You'll get a boilerplate "we'll speak to the driver involved" response, but if that doesn't satisfy you, you can always call Traffic Watch or report it to a Garda station.

If I find myself keeping pace with a bus or a taxi, I'll drop behind or accelerate ahead, depending on travelling speed. Too much of a chance to be squished. But easy to be caught out.

v6e5qzawyrc3jn · 17-05-2013 09:40PM

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IM0 · 17-05-2013 09:52PM

never never go up the inside of trucks or busses unless you are 100% sure they wont be turning across you!

no wonder he got pissed, you almost made him kill you

Wishbone Ash · 17-05-2013 10:11PM

IM0 wrote: »

never never go up the inside of trucks or busses unless you are 100% sure they wont be turning across you!

no wonder he got pissed, you almost made him kill you

So the cyclist made the bus driver overtake and immediately turn left! :rolleyes:

IM0 · 17-05-2013 10:27PM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

So the cyclist made the bus driver overtake and immediately turn left! :rolleyes:

I think you read it wrong, it says the bus was BESIDE him and then turned left, so either the OP is not explaining it well or he was on the inside of the bus already when the bus turned into him. as has been said earlier, if you are keep pace with traffic either drop behind it or go ahead its really dumb to end up on the inside of a bus no matter what happens

the boss of me · 17-05-2013 10:55PM

allez wrote: »

how in gods name am i meant to see an indicator when im right on the inside of the bus! surely he should be watching his side mirrors? bloody bus drivers!:mad:

There's a big indicator right behind the door of the bus.. big square orange flashing thing.. bloody cyclists !

Wishbone Ash · 17-05-2013 11:02PM

IM0 wrote: »

I think you read it wrong, it says the bus was BESIDE him

When a vehicle over takes a cyclist it will be beside them at some stage during the manoeuvre.

It happens to me regularly - a Dublin Bus will overtake and immediately pull into a bus stop. Do you propose that cyclists should continually stop on their journey if they suspect that a bus/truck may be travelling in the same direction?

Diemos · 17-05-2013 11:05PM

IM0 wrote: »

I think you read it wrong, it says the bus was BESIDE him and then turned left, so either the OP is not explaining it well or he was on the inside of the bus already when the bus turned into him. as has been said earlier, if you are keep pace with traffic either drop behind it or go ahead its really dumb to end up on the inside of a bus no matter what happens

I really hope you haven't read the full thread.....can't fake that kinda stupid.

Wishbone Ash · 17-05-2013 11:16PM

the boss of me wrote: »

There's a big indicator right behind the door of the bus.. big square orange flashing thing.. bloody cyclists !

Indeed but when cycling along at a healthy 40km/h and the left indicator illuminates while the bus is in the process of passing, it narrows one's options considerably.

Beasty · 17-05-2013 11:22PM

Diemos wrote: »

I really hope you haven't read the full thread.....can't fake that kinda stupid.

Cut out the abuse

Thanks

IM0 · 17-05-2013 11:22PM

Diemos wrote: »

I really hope you haven't read the full thread.....can't fake that kinda stupid.

honestly I dont care enough to get into this, wasnt there didnt see it, he didnt even say that in the OP and he was called on it later too. situations like that sound like back tracking. so yeah whatever .

and why not have the balls to call me stupid, instead of hiding behind some retarded comment which makes no sense

IM0 · 17-05-2013 11:31PM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

When a vehicle over takes a cyclist it will be beside them at some stage during the manoeuvre.

It happens to me regularly - a Dublin Bus will overtake and immediately pull into a bus stop. Do you propose that cyclists should continually stop on their journey if they suspect that a bus/truck may be travelling in the same direction?

no its about judging your speed [as in making DAMN sure you can outrun the bus to get in front of it again], but you are asking for it if you go up the inside of a bus when you are not 100% sure you can get to the other side safely. he may be wrong the driver but its better to give way to an idiot than to die making a point.

not sure what mirror coverage busses have but if its anything like trucks you would be advised to stay well clear of the blindspot which on trucks is nearly 3/4 of the length of it from the cab

the boss of me · 17-05-2013 11:37PM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Indeed but when cycling along at a healthy 40km/h and the left indicator illuminates while the bus is in the process of passing, it narrows one's options considerably.

Well I've never seen a double decker bus turn into a bus depot at 40kmph so that's hardly relevant in this scenario.

Wishbone Ash · 17-05-2013 11:40PM

IM0 wrote: »

but you are asking for it if you go up the inside of a bus

If a vehicle passes a cyclist, the cyclist isn't going "up the inside" of it. What part of this is difficult to understand?

IMO wrote:

not sure what mirror coverage busses have but if its anything like trucks you would be advised to stay well clear of the blindspot which on trucks is nearly 3/4 of the length of it from the cab

Generally better on buses. The problem on trucks generally applies to artics as, when turning, the tractor unit and trailer form an angle limiting visibility. I have driven buses and trucks so probably have a better understanding than most.

IM0 · 17-05-2013 11:57PM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

If a vehicle passes a cyclist, the cyclist isn't going "up the inside" of it. What part of this is difficult to understand?

the bit where [in my world at least] a vehicle doesnt go from behind you to in front of you, during the transition you are on the inside of it obviously and as such as a cyclist you have to make a call are you going to try out run it up the inside or start braking mid pass to give yourself more distance when it is likely to stop in front of you. you have to anticipate what a bus is likely to do, thats what I do while like you travelling at higher speeds in traffic

BostonB · 18-05-2013 12:12AM

No matter what you do, if someone overtakes you, you are going to be on their inside at some point. The person creating this situation is the person overtaking. If a cyclist was to brake every time someone overtook them, they wouldn't get very far.

ted1 · 18-05-2013 12:16AM

Was there a cycle lane?

allez · 18-05-2013 12:17AM

Ok getting a bit heated here was more of a rant of mine than declaring war against hgvs and buses.

Regardless of what happens drivers are always at fault even when the cyclist is wrong in the eyes of the law. They Should always be in a position to stop and be ready to anticipate an accident? You can sugarcoat it all you by saying I shouldn't have been where I was but still in the right the bus driver should have seen me and made provisions

IM0 · 18-05-2013 12:20AM

BostonB wrote: »

No matter what you do, if someone overtakes you, you are going to be on their inside at some point. The person creating this situation is the person overtaking. If a cyclist was to brake every time someone overtook them, they wouldn't get very far.

well I cant say for anyone else, but if a bus over takes me completely parallel to me Id say he was going and continuing straight on. if he over takes me at an angle with the front pointed towards the kerb I think hes going towards the kerb, and back right out and drop speed drastically. to me its a simple judgement to make, but to those less geometrically literate

Id say dont push it. but at the same time do what you like *shrugs*

-PornStar- · 18-05-2013 12:28AM

IM0 wrote: »

well I cant say for anyone else, but if a bus over takes me completely parallel to me Id say he was going and continuing straight on. if he over takes me at an angle with the front pointed towards the kerb I think hes going towards the kerb, and back right out and drop speed drastically. to me its a simple judgement to make, but to those less geometrically literate Id say dont push it. but at the same time do what you like *shrugs*

I think you are making too many assumptions.

IM0 · 18-05-2013 12:32AM

-PornStar- wrote: »

I think you are making too many assumptions.

that if a bus is going a specific direction that it is likely to keep going that one...I see, would have been a good judgement to make in my experience. Like in say do what you like Im saying stuff more for the benefit of those who want to learn than adressing the thread situation specificly. I moved passed that ages ago, and was debating with ash and adressing her questions :rolleyes:

the boss of me · 18-05-2013 12:35AM

allez wrote: »

Regardless of what happens drivers are always at fault even when the cyclist is wrong in the eyes of the law.

This is not true.. as far as I can recall the in last fatal accident between a Dublin Bus and a cyclist.. the driver was completely exonerated of blame and a verdict of misadventure was recorded.

Dublin bus lad goes all psycho and stuff!

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