Dublin bus lad goes all psycho and stuff!

allez

So there i was pedaling along enjoying my evening, lovely it was too. Bus driver is driving along side me and then decides to turn to his left into the depot. of course im on the inside of the bus as he turns with only the foot path as my friend. so a firm wallop was applied to the side of the bus to make my presence felt as i barely stayed up right on the road. somehow made it up onto the path and the driver stopped and then of course proceeded to get all angry and resorted to the tried and test erratic hand gestures technique for added panache.

how in gods name am i meant to see an indicator when im right on the inside of the bus! surely he should be watching his side mirrors? bloody bus drivers!:mad:

BostonB

Shirley is rubbish at watching mirrors.

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allez

Emersyn Attractive Quadruped wrote: »

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well its difficult when the bus overtakes you and pins you in, im surely entitled to cycle where i was and the bus should be watching the road before taking any turn for the sheer craic.

adamski8

should have taken note of reg and report him so

BostonB

allez wrote: »

well its difficult when the bus overtakes you....

You didn't really make that clear in fairness.

Make It Happen 968

Of course he should be watching the side mirrors, thats a big vehicle and the main duty is not to crush cyclists or pedestrians with it. I hope the bus driver takes it as a lesson learned.

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Wishbone Ash

Emersyn Attractive Quadruped wrote: »

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Did you read the opening post at all?

He/she was cycling along and the bus decided to turn left across his/her path (not at a junction).

buffalo

allez wrote: »

well its difficult when the bus overtakes you and pins you in, im surely entitled to cycle where i was and the bus should be watching the road before taking any turn for the sheer craic.

They have a complaint form on their site somewhere, drop them a line with the bus number and time and location. You'll get a boilerplate "we'll speak to the driver involved" response, but if that doesn't satisfy you, you can always call Traffic Watch or report it to a Garda station.

If I find myself keeping pace with a bus or a taxi, I'll drop behind or accelerate ahead, depending on travelling speed. Too much of a chance to be squished. But easy to be caught out.

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IM0

never never go up the inside of trucks or busses unless you are 100% sure they wont be turning across you!

no wonder he got pissed, you almost made him kill you

Wishbone Ash

IM0 wrote: »

never never go up the inside of trucks or busses unless you are 100% sure they wont be turning across you!

no wonder he got pissed, you almost made him kill you

So the cyclist made the bus driver overtake and immediately turn left! :rolleyes:

IM0

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

So the cyclist made the bus driver overtake and immediately turn left! :rolleyes:

I think you read it wrong, it says the bus was BESIDE him and then turned left, so either the OP is not explaining it well or he was on the inside of the bus already when the bus turned into him. as has been said earlier, if you are keep pace with traffic either drop behind it or go ahead its really dumb to end up on the inside of a bus no matter what happens

the boss of me

allez wrote: »

how in gods name am i meant to see an indicator when im right on the inside of the bus! surely he should be watching his side mirrors? bloody bus drivers!:mad:

There's a big indicator right behind the door of the bus.. big square orange flashing thing.. bloody cyclists !

Wishbone Ash

IM0 wrote: »

I think you read it wrong, it says the bus was BESIDE him

When a vehicle over takes a cyclist it will be beside them at some stage during the manoeuvre.

It happens to me regularly - a Dublin Bus will overtake and immediately pull into a bus stop. Do you propose that cyclists should continually stop on their journey if they suspect that a bus/truck may be travelling in the same direction?

Diemos

IM0 wrote: »

I think you read it wrong, it says the bus was BESIDE him and then turned left, so either the OP is not explaining it well or he was on the inside of the bus already when the bus turned into him. as has been said earlier, if you are keep pace with traffic either drop behind it or go ahead its really dumb to end up on the inside of a bus no matter what happens

I really hope you haven't read the full thread.....can't fake that kinda stupid.

Wishbone Ash

the boss of me wrote: »

There's a big indicator right behind the door of the bus.. big square orange flashing thing.. bloody cyclists !

Indeed but when cycling along at a healthy 40km/h and the left indicator illuminates while the bus is in the process of passing, it narrows one's options considerably.

Beasty

Diemos wrote: »

I really hope you haven't read the full thread.....can't fake that kinda stupid.

Cut out the abuse

Thanks

IM0

Diemos wrote: »

I really hope you haven't read the full thread.....can't fake that kinda stupid.

honestly I dont care enough to get into this, wasnt there didnt see it, he didnt even say that in the OP and he was called on it later too. situations like that sound like back tracking. so yeah whatever .

and why not have the balls to call me stupid, instead of hiding behind some retarded comment which makes no sense

IM0

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

When a vehicle over takes a cyclist it will be beside them at some stage during the manoeuvre.

It happens to me regularly - a Dublin Bus will overtake and immediately pull into a bus stop. Do you propose that cyclists should continually stop on their journey if they suspect that a bus/truck may be travelling in the same direction?

no its about judging your speed [as in making DAMN sure you can outrun the bus to get in front of it again], but you are asking for it if you go up the inside of a bus when you are not 100% sure you can get to the other side safely. he may be wrong the driver but its better to give way to an idiot than to die making a point.

not sure what mirror coverage busses have but if its anything like trucks you would be advised to stay well clear of the blindspot which on trucks is nearly 3/4 of the length of it from the cab

the boss of me

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Indeed but when cycling along at a healthy 40km/h and the left indicator illuminates while the bus is in the process of passing, it narrows one's options considerably.

Well I've never seen a double decker bus turn into a bus depot at 40kmph so that's hardly relevant in this scenario.

Wishbone Ash

IM0 wrote: »

but you are asking for it if you go up the inside of a bus

If a vehicle passes a cyclist, the cyclist isn't going "up the inside" of it. What part of this is difficult to understand?

IMO wrote:

not sure what mirror coverage busses have but if its anything like trucks you would be advised to stay well clear of the blindspot which on trucks is nearly 3/4 of the length of it from the cab

Generally better on buses. The problem on trucks generally applies to artics as, when turning, the tractor unit and trailer form an angle limiting visibility. I have driven buses and trucks so probably have a better understanding than most.

IM0

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

If a vehicle passes a cyclist, the cyclist isn't going "up the inside" of it. What part of this is difficult to understand?

the bit where [in my world at least] a vehicle doesnt go from behind you to in front of you, during the transition you are on the inside of it obviously and as such as a cyclist you have to make a call are you going to try out run it up the inside or start braking mid pass to give yourself more distance when it is likely to stop in front of you. you have to anticipate what a bus is likely to do, thats what I do while like you travelling at higher speeds in traffic

BostonB

No matter what you do, if someone overtakes you, you are going to be on their inside at some point. The person creating this situation is the person overtaking. If a cyclist was to brake every time someone overtook them, they wouldn't get very far.

ted1

Was there a cycle lane?

allez

Ok getting a bit heated here was more of a rant of mine than declaring war against hgvs and buses.

Regardless of what happens drivers are always at fault even when the cyclist is wrong in the eyes of the law. They Should always be in a position to stop and be ready to anticipate an accident? You can sugarcoat it all you by saying I shouldn't have been where I was but still in the right the bus driver should have seen me and made provisions

IM0

BostonB wrote: »

No matter what you do, if someone overtakes you, you are going to be on their inside at some point. The person creating this situation is the person overtaking. If a cyclist was to brake every time someone overtook them, they wouldn't get very far.

well I cant say for anyone else, but if a bus over takes me completely parallel to me Id say he was going and continuing straight on. if he over takes me at an angle with the front pointed towards the kerb I think hes going towards the kerb, and back right out and drop speed drastically. to me its a simple judgement to make, but to those less geometrically literate Id say dont push it. but at the same time do what you like *shrugs*

-PornStar-

IM0 wrote: »

well I cant say for anyone else, but if a bus over takes me completely parallel to me Id say he was going and continuing straight on. if he over takes me at an angle with the front pointed towards the kerb I think hes going towards the kerb, and back right out and drop speed drastically. to me its a simple judgement to make, but to those less geometrically literate Id say dont push it. but at the same time do what you like *shrugs*

I think you are making too many assumptions.

IM0

-PornStar- wrote: »

I think you are making too many assumptions.

that if a bus is going a specific direction that it is likely to keep going that one...I see, would have been a good judgement to make in my experience. Like in say do what you like Im saying stuff more for the benefit of those who want to learn than adressing the thread situation specificly. I moved passed that ages ago, and was debating with ash and adressing her questions :rolleyes:

the boss of me

allez wrote: »

Regardless of what happens drivers are always at fault even when the cyclist is wrong in the eyes of the law.

This is not true.. as far as I can recall the in last fatal accident between a Dublin Bus and a cyclist.. the driver was completely exonerated of blame and a verdict of misadventure was recorded.

-PornStar-

IM0 wrote: »

that if a bus is going a specific direction that it is likely to keep going that one...I see, would have been a good judgement to make in my experience. Like in say do what you like Im saying stuff more for the benefit of those who want to learn than adressing the thread situation specificly. I moved passed that ages ago, and was debating with ash and adressing her questions :rolleyes:

Again, you are assuming, and interpreting your own conclusions based on that.

MeIsGod

Most cyclists bring these situations upon themselves.

BostonB

IM0 wrote: »

well I cant say for anyone else, but if a bus over takes me completely parallel to me Id say he was going and continuing straight on. if he over takes me at an angle with the front pointed towards the kerb I think hes going towards the kerb, and back right out and drop speed drastically. to me its a simple judgement to make, but to those less geometrically literate Id say dont push it. but at the same time do what you like *shrugs*

Usually happens too fast for that. Drivers usually indicate and move at the same time, if its coming from behind you, you've no or little warning.

You see it all the time, buses indicate and move out at the same time, from bus stops. its a really dangerous habit, some drivers fall into.

BostonB

MeIsGod wrote: »

Most cyclists bring these situations upon themselves.

The stats would suggest that they don't.

With adult cyclists, police found the driver solely responsible in about 60%-75% of all cases, and riders solely at fault 17%-25% of the time.

IM0

-PornStar- wrote: »

Again, you are assuming, and interpreting your own conclusions based on that.

this stuff cant be got across properly in words, every situation is different, but I do it in my head at speed/high speed/very high speed, from experience of riding in packs, descending at 70+k/hr that kind of thing, and a melting pot of other life experience and situations and areas of knowledge. all this is done in fractions of a second, you make your call and go for it or back out.

I also assume I will wake up tomorrow, is that another silly assumption too

BostonB

Seems like you have faster reactions than Tour De France winners.

http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/brad-wiggins-hospitalised-after-crash-35718/

JRant

I always treat buses and taxis the same way, give them a wide bearth and always expect them to do something stupid as alot of the time that's exactly what will happen.

I've had buses squeeze me off the road and pass way to close for comfort many times. I've reported a few drivers but it was a complete waste of time to be honest. It's a bitter pill to swallow when your in the right but always be extra careful and just let them on.

By the way I think the most dangerous habit bus drivers have is they just take off from stops regardless of who or what is passing them out. This particular doosie often forces me to move further out to the right and can be quite a hairy experience.

IM0

BostonB wrote: »

Seems like you have faster reactions than Tour De France winners.

http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/brad-wiggins-hospitalised-after-crash-35718/

well I certainly beat the shit out of him on wet descents

seriously though its not about fast reactions its about anticipation more than anything, which is why he descends [in his own words] like a girl

BostonB

Another trick is to stop while indicating to pull out, then sit for a minute or two, with the indicator on.

But yeah they don't wait to check if its clear, they just move.

MeIsGod

BostonB wrote: »

The stats would suggest that they don't.

Stats my arse
All you have to do is drive around for an hour and you will witness so many crazy cyclists who think that because the are on a bike they can break reds,cut across lanes, hold up traffic and generally not give a rats about whats going on around them and when they get a belt of a car its someone else fault.

JRant

MeIsGod wrote: »

Stats my arse
All you have to do is drive around for an hour and you will witness so many crazy cyclists who think that because the are on a bike they can break reds,cut across lanes, hold up traffic and generally not give a rats about whats going on around them and when they get a belt of a car its someone else fault.

Here's a novel idea for you, jump on a bike for an hours cycle around a city centre and get back to me.

There's idiots everywhere, driving, cycling, walking, jogging, take your pick. Stop generalising for just a second and have a little think about it.

Oh and by the way cyclists are part of the traffic, not some obstacle holding everyone up.

BostonB

MeIsGod wrote: »

Stats my arse
All you have to do is drive around for an hour and you will witness so many crazy cyclists who think that because the are on a bike they can break reds,cut across lanes, hold up traffic and generally not give a rats about whats going on around them and when they get a belt of a car its someone else fault.

...and you'll see cars breaking all sorts of laws and rules.

So whats your point?

BostonB

IM0 wrote: »

well I certainly beat the shit out of him on wet descents

seriously though its not about fast reactions its about anticipation more than anything, which is why he descends [in his own words] like a girl

You generally anticipation things in front of you, not behind you.

While I'm all for looking behind and situation awareness. Physical limitations, and human limitations, dictate you can't see 360 all the time.

IM0

BostonB wrote: »

You generally anticipation things in front of you, not behind you.

and bears shit in woods. is there a point youre making you dont seem to be understanding my posts or something

Guy:Incognito

allez wrote: »

well its difficult when the bus overtakes you and pins you in, im surely entitled to cycle where i was and the bus should be watching the road before taking any turn for the sheer craic.

What your entitled to do makes little difference if your dead. Whether your in the right or wrong in crash with a car a bus your the one that's coming out of it badly. I'm amazed that cyclists dont always err on the side of caution out of self preservation if nothing else.

IM0

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

What your entitled to do makes little difference if your dead. Whether your in the right or wrong in crash with a car a bus your the one that's coming out of it badly. I'm amazed that cyclists dont always err on the side of caution out of self preservation if nothing else.

also everyone is required to avoid crashes not play chicken, its your duty to avoid an accident

BostonB

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

What your entitled to do makes little difference if your dead. Whether your in the right or wrong in crash with a car a bus your the one that's coming out of it badly. I'm amazed that cyclists dont always err on the side of caution out of self preservation if nothing else.

How could he avoid a bus overtaking him?

Guy:Incognito

BostonB wrote: »

How could he avoid a bus overtaking him?

I was more talking in a general sense. Personally I'd be doing all I could to spend as little time as possible between a bus and anything, whether I was there first or not

BostonB

So say your route is up the quays. How practically do your reduce the time it takes a bus to over take you. Considering a bus will go past every few mins.

I assume if your not there, that answers itself. But if you had to be.

BostonB

IM0 wrote: »

and bears shit in woods. is there a point youre making you dont seem to be understanding my posts or something

Not a clue. I have no idea how you anticipate the line of traffic behind you 100% of the time at the same anticipating hazards in front of you. I;d assume you have to look forward some of the time. Worrying about bears in woods is new for me. I take it you're not an advocate of "the first-a rule of Italian driving"

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