Foreign Gangs in Ireland

Anyone · 14-05-2013 03:15PM

donegal_road wrote: »

the Gardaí have been on to this already for a long time, the problem is there are many still managing to go undetected.

So are you saying that the Guards haven't arrested the people they haven't caught? Shocking....

Leftist · 14-05-2013 03:20PM

Montroseee wrote: »

Foreign gangs are also highly involved in the cigarette smuggling trade because of the high tax here.

Jesus... the animals. You'd never find the irish at that. We should get the ira out of retirement to deal with it, you'd never catch the ira at that kind of thing. Potato. Red cheeks. Featureless bungaloes.

BillyMitchel · 14-05-2013 03:20PM

Holsten wrote: »

I know of one Romanian criminal gang who travel Europe just to steal handbags and phones.

Crazy.

What like you know the whole gang?!

twowheelsonly · 14-05-2013 03:21PM

FTA69 wrote: »

All western countries have foreign criminal gangs operating within them. In Ireland and the UK however, the vast majority of the upper echelons of crime (with the possible exception of Turkish gangs) are native born and bred. Obviously foreign criminals are as much a sorce of concern as any other criminal, but the notion that we're getting flooded by foreign criminals was and is scare mongering.

Far from it I'm afraid. Don't know what the current numbers are but at one stage there were over 700 foreigners in Irish Jails. Out of a Jail population of 4,000 ish that's a significant number. They also have their own hierarchy within the jails and a fair few of the number are serious players.

Uriel. · 14-05-2013 03:23PM

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Once Nig

Who?

pcardin · 14-05-2013 03:24PM

Somebody from Baltics once told me that Lithuanian is not a nationality, it's a profession.

Not my words so no offence.

Montroseee · 14-05-2013 03:24PM

A lot of ignorant posters in this thread, the cannabis trade in Ireland is dominated by the Triads - read up on Operation wireless or talk to a Garda.

AlekSmart · 14-05-2013 03:26PM

FTA69 wrote: »

AlekSmart wrote: »

Putting things in perspective isn't the same as denial. The vast majority of those involved in drugs and organised crime are Irish. The vast majority of gang-related killings involve native criminals. Out of the hundreds of thousands of foreigners in Ireland it's not exactly big news that some of them are invovled in crime.

The vast majority of migrants into Ireland were Eastern Europeans who were allowed to migrate here under EU rules as well as returned Irish from abroad (like the Dundons in Limerick.) In other words, asylum seekers etc constituted a small minority of immigrants.

And yes, the vast majority did come to Ireland to work and build a better life for themselves.

All very true,but the recognition that our Law Enforcement and Judicial systems lagged far behind the game came very late,and in many cases still has'nt sunk in.

Vast Majority,in this case,still leaves a significant minority of Career Criminal Individuals and Groupings about whom The Gardai and State in general know absolutely Nothing.

If the State then moves to address this deficiency,it runs the risk of some native high-profile Civil Righteous Minded bodies going ballistic in their endeavours to portray The Irish State as an Oppressive entity out to diss the foreigner ....:rolleyes:

Zebra3 · 14-05-2013 03:26PM

No mention of the biggest foreign criminal gangs operating here.

The ECB, IMF.....

.jacksparrow. · 14-05-2013 03:26PM

Leftist wrote: »

Jesus... the animals. You'd never find the irish at that. We should get the ira out of retirement to deal with it, you'd never catch the ira at that kind of thing. Potato. Red cheeks. Featureless bungaloes.

Well that didn't take long!

mattjack · 14-05-2013 03:27PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Perhaps not, but you did link to sensationalist crap. Jim Cusack is like a more refined version of Paul Williams; in other words he hears a few rumours, injects a bit of poetic license, adds a stupid nickname and then releases a hysterical article of impending doom. He also pretends to have his finger "on the pulse or gangland" etc when in reality his finger is usually up his hole.

Cusack uses the word "hordes" of foreign gangs, implying a Mongol-like invasion of identity thieves and people smugglers. Is that to say there aren't foreign gangs here? Of course not, there are organised East European, Nigerian, Pakistani and Chinese gangs operating here; the Triads have been here since the 1970s odd. We also have a multitude of low-level scallywag breakers However, this is the case in every country in Europe. They aren't flocking here because of our lenient justice system, they are just a natural byproduct of migration and a relatively wealthy country.

If Cusack was honest he'd admit that countries which are far more lenient e.g. Sweden, Netherlands etc have much more prominent non-national criminals.

Them Vikings would be a gang too ?

Leftist · 14-05-2013 03:30PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

No mention of the biggest foreign criminal gangs operating here.

The ECB, IMF.....

It's all coming together, like a good auld cup of irish tea or a genuinely well timed mass. Begorrah and the blessed saints of timmy. What's that outside? sure isn't it an appirition of Mary herself, shuffling in a ditch.

For what died the sons of erin? was it for this? so the mucky foreigners can come in and dish out their garlic stenched crime wave?

Montroseee · 14-05-2013 03:35PM

Isn't there an EU criminal database that Ireland has decided to not use when it comes to dealing with foreign nationals wanting to enter the country. Nothing against foreign nationals but I'd expect the ones that are allowed in do not have serious convictions.

FTA69 · 14-05-2013 03:38PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

All very true,but the recognition that our Law Enforcement and Judicial systems lagged far behind the game came very late,and in many cases still has'nt sunk in.

In what sense? Believe it or not the cops aren't stupid and know in general what's going on. It's also extremely difficult for them to target criminals that operate exclusively in the confines of their own withdrawn community e.g. the Triads. As for judicial systems, that has little to do with the fact that EU migrants are entitled to moved to Ireland and a mass movement of people to any country will see criminals migrating with them or emerging in the host country.

Vast Majority,in this case,still leaves a significant minority of Career Criminal Individuals and Groupings about whom The Gardai and State in general know absolutely Nothing.

Says who? There are plenty of foreign criminals in Irish jails.

If the State then moves to address this deficiency,it runs the risk of some native high-profile Civil Righteous Minded bodies going ballistic in their endeavours to portray The Irish State as an Oppressive entity out to diss the foreigner ....:rolleyes:

What do you suggest they do that they aren't doing already? As I said, there are plenty of foreign criminals in jail and the cops aren't as thick as you're suggesting.

Leftist · 14-05-2013 03:40PM

Montroseee wrote: »

Isn't there an EU criminal database that Ireland has decided to not use when it comes to dealing with foreign nationals wanting to enter the country. Nothing against foreign nationals but I'd expect the ones that are allowed in do not have serious convictions.

Would you? what kind of serious convicts?
And are Irish criminals exempt from moving around the EU under similar restrictions or should Spain, Holland and the UK for three examples, be grateful to take some nasty sons of erin off our hands?

On the other hand, should someone convicted and punished for a crime, be prevented from moving within the European Union?

donegal_road · 14-05-2013 03:41PM

Anyone wrote: »

So are you saying that the Guards haven't arrested the people they haven't caught? Shocking....

the Gardaí dont have the necessary proof to arrest all the suspects involved in these rackets.

Montroseee · 14-05-2013 03:43PM

Leftist wrote: »

Would you? what kind of serious convicts?
And are Irish criminals exempt from moving around the EU under similar restrictions or should Spain, Holland and the UK for three examples, be grateful to take some nasty sons of erin off our hands?

On the other hand, should someone convicted and punished for a crime, be prevented from moving within the European Union?

The individual in my OP had a conviction for rape before he moved to Ireland and therefore should never have been let into the country in the first place. Yes, people who are a proven danger to others should not be allowed to move within the EU where they can slip under the radar.

Leftist · 14-05-2013 03:46PM

Montroseee wrote: »

The individual in my OP had a conviction for rape before he moved to Ireland and therefore should never have been let into the country in the first place. Yes, people who are a proven danger to others should not be allowed to move within the EU where they can slip under the radar.

We better tell spain or the netherlands to send back Larry murphy then.
Oh no wait, potato. Because we're special.

The 'man in your op' btw, targetted lithuanians.

FTA69 · 14-05-2013 03:47PM

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Far from it I'm afraid. Don't know what the current numbers are but at one stage there were over 700 foreigners in Irish Jails. Out of a Jail population of 4,000 ish that's a significant number. They also have their own hierarchy within the jails and a fair few of the number are serious players.

And how many of them are inside for assault, or drink driving or some other low-level crime? There are hundreds of Irish criminals in London jails as well and only a few of them would be proper organised criminals. The main players in Ireland always were and still are Irish, bar a few things like identity theft and card skimming etc. If you want to talk about drugs, armed robbery and racketeering our own blackguards are far more prominent.

Montroseee · 14-05-2013 03:50PM

Leftist wrote: »

We better tell spain or the netherlands to send back Larry murphy then.
Oh no wait, potato. Because we're special.

The 'man in your op' btw, targetted lithuanians.

Restrictions should be imposed universally. Also, he did not just target Lituanians, a quick google will show you that

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StudentDad · 14-05-2013 03:54PM

'Foreign' gangs in Ireland? How is this news? We have a common market with the freedom to travel as EU citizens. If a business opportunity arises in a member state citizens are free to exploit it.

Criminals operate the same way. If there wasn't a market for drugs, prostitution etc. the 'foreign' criminals wouldn't bother.

If there is a 'gap' in the market, someone will fill that gap, 'domestic' or 'foreign.'

What this State should be worrying about is not necessarily worrying about criminals, that's like bitching because its raining. Rather, the State and society should be worrying about the factors that create the market.

SD

Leftist · 14-05-2013 03:56PM

Montroseee wrote: »

Restrictions should be imposed universally. Also, he did not just target Lituanians, a quick google will show you that .

why don't you just say what he did instead of directing people to google? that's the laziest possible avenue. You could be right but it's up (down) there with some fool saying 'obama is a communist and you'd find out if you did some research'.

Just post it.

Montroseee · 14-05-2013 04:00PM

StudentDad wrote: »

'Foreign' gangs in Ireland? How is this news? We have a common market with the freedom to travel as EU citizens. If a business opportunity arises in a member state citizens are free to exploit it.

Criminals operate the same way. If there wasn't a market for drugs, prostitution etc. the 'foreign' criminals wouldn't bother.

If there is a 'gap' in the market, someone will fill that gap, 'domestic' or 'foreign.'

What this State should be worrying about is not necessarily worrying about criminals, that's like bitching because its raining. Rather, the State and society should be worrying about the factors that create the market.

SD

:rolleyes: That is utterly ridiculous. There will always be a market for drugs, prostitution etc. Sure Prostitution is commonly referred to as the oldest industry in the world, it will always be there. The state has to worry about the criminals who supply or else legalise them.

StudentDad · 14-05-2013 04:04PM

Montroseee wrote: »

:rolleyes: That is utterly ridiculous. There will always be a market for drugs, prostitution etc. Sure Prostitution is commonly referred to as the oldest industry in the world, it will always be there. The state has to worry about the criminals who supply or else legalise them.

At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious ....

SD

armaghbhoy · 14-05-2013 04:05PM

I've heard that theres a Lithuanian mafia here, but other than that have not heard anything about them to know wether or not they are active.

twowheelsonly · 14-05-2013 04:08PM

FTA69 wrote: »

And how many of them are inside for assault, or drink driving or some other low-level crime? There are hundreds of Irish criminals in London jails as well and only a few of them would be proper organised criminals. The main players in Ireland always were and still are Irish, bar a few things like identity theft and card skimming etc. If you want to talk about drugs, armed robbery and racketeering our own blackguards are far more prominent.

Overall percentage-wise regarding general 'petty' crime they're probably about the same. In my own personal opinion though the Chinese are miles ahead on the cannabis and grow farms scale and the Eastern Europeans are streets ahead with Racketeering, in particular amongst their own people but spreading slowly but surely into mainstream Irish society.
Would London Jails have 20% of their Prisoners of Irish extraction? Doubt it. Likewise I doubt very much that Spanish, Dutch German jails etc have 20% of their prisoners from the British Isles. The numbers of foreigners in our Jails seems to me to be very disproportionate to the numbers of foreigners living and working here.

Leftist · 14-05-2013 04:13PM

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Overall percentage-wise regarding general 'petty' crime they're probably about the same. In my own personal opinion though the Chinese are miles ahead on the cannabis and grow farms scale and the Eastern Europeans are streets ahead with Racketeering, in particular amongst their own people but spreading slowly but surely into mainstream Irish society.
Would London Jails have 20% of their Prisoners of Irish extraction? Doubt it. Likewise I doubt very much that Spanish, Dutch German jails etc have 20% of their prisoners from the British Isles. The numbers of foreigners in our Jails seems to me to be very disproportionate to the numbers of foreigners living and working here.

conclusion: They're more inclined to commit crime.

armaghbhoy · 14-05-2013 04:17PM

I don't think any of the foreign gangs are anywhere near as big of players as the Irish themselves are. Theres also an Irish Mafia in Spain.

Montroseee · 14-05-2013 04:19PM

Scary to think what the Gardai have to deal with.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 14-05-2013 04:37PM

armaghbhoy wrote: »

I don't think any of the foreign gangs are anywhere near as big of players as the Irish themselves are. Theres also an Irish Mafia in Spain.

That Spanish operation was apparently massive at one point. Christy Kinahan the boss has made a solid fortune through crime.

Foreign Gangs in Ireland

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