Foreign Gangs in Ireland

Montroseee

I'm from around the area and know a few guards who claim there are several fearsome gangs operating in Dublin. Just last week there was a gangland shooting in Rathcoole of a Lithuanian in front of his wife.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/slain-gangster-knew-his-killers-gardai-29239270.html

Another article cites our lenient justice system as an 'attraction' aswell as the courts being clogged up with people unwilling or unable to pay traffic fines.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/ireland-its-a-great-country-for-a-criminal-29260026.html

Scary to think our justice system is thought of in this way, the guards do their best but are constantly left disheartened at sentences.

Yitzhak Rabin

God damn fordners! :mad: Stealing our jobs, and our women, and our crimes.

dodderangler

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

God damn fordners! :mad: Stealing our jobs, and our women, and our crimes.

Durka durrrrrrr

Leftist

disgraceful. Imagine that, foreigners acting like natives. Taking the same advantages as the criminal irish. Well I'll be. Next you'll be telling us they're human beings too.

I read on here before that there's a cartel of eastern europeans that have taken over the ****ing supermarket floor staff market.

SebBerkovich

Ireland: An Equal opportunities employer for gang warfare...

...The More You Know!

Bipolar Joe

I don't think this thread is about "Hurp derp durdy fordeners hurp derp" but more about the fact our justice system is so warped, shitty people may be coming here to use it to their advantage.

FTA69

All western countries have foreign criminal gangs operating within them. In Ireland and the UK however, the vast majority of the upper echelons of crime (with the possible exception of Turkish gangs) are native born and bred. Obviously foreign criminals are as much a sorce of concern as any other criminal, but the notion that we're getting flooded by foreign criminals was and is scare mongering.

Montroseee

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

I don't think this thread is about "Hurp derp durdy fordeners hurp derp" but more about the fact our justice system is so warped, shitty people may be coming here to use it to their advantage.

The first few posters can't seem to read, it's not a foreigner bashing thread.

HondaSami

What about the Irish gangs, will they go out of business now the foreigners are here?

Bipolar Joe

Montroseee wrote: »

The first few posters can't seem to read, it's not a foreigner bashing thread.

Mentioning certain things in AH, people will automatically assume what the OP has posted and go on regardless.

HondaSami

Montroseee wrote: »

The first few posters can't seem to read, it's not a foreigner bashing thread.

It's not news either tbf.

Leftist

is this the face of multiculturalism! oh woe is erin. When I were a lad we played gaa and the priest was king, these latvos coming in and destroying our country with their islamic protestant foreign soccer, job hoarding agenda. Probably pro-gay and responsible for a few stray sheep in the clergy.

Now lets go watch gangs of new york and let the hairs on our cheeks stand on end as we take pride in irish gangsters in foreign countries. Pass the potatoes!

Grahamb23

There should be a dance off between the local and foreign gangsters and put it to public vote on who gets to rule the roost ... Bit like the way we elect the other gangsters in this country!!

donegal_road

a gang from a country already mentioned in this thread are behind a car theft racket across the country, shipping them out in 40' containers from Larne, Dublin and Rosslare.

Holsten

I know of one Romanian criminal gang who travel Europe just to steal handbags and phones.

Crazy.

Menas

Once Nig, Fran and the gang kill each off then Love/Hate will move to focus on these foreigners.

Grahamb23

donegal_road wrote: »

a gang from a country already mentioned in this thread are behind a car theft racket across the country, shipping them out in 40' containers from Larne, Dublin and Rosslare.

Seen as that's public knowledge why cant they do anything about it???

keithclancy

There isn't even real police at the Airport.

Some joke ones with "Airport Police" written on their jackets.

Anyone

Grahamb23 wrote: »

Seen as that's public knowledge why cant they do anything about it???

Exactly, I mean a post on After Hours is all the proof the law needs.

Leftist

Grahamb23 wrote: »

There should be a dance off between the local and foreign gangsters and put it to public vote on who gets to rule the roost ... Bit like the way we elect the other gangsters in this country!!

yes! that'll teach the feckers. We could do it in a local gaa club, cans of budweiser and room temperature guinesss at the bar, hang sandwiches on a auld playte doing de rowinds.

Jaysus. They wouldn't know what's happening. Dirty God-less feckers. Then when it's over we can all go home and lick the stubble on our fat shinned cailins. be the suffering jaysis, it's good to be a son of erin.

SEPT 23 1989

They stay out of my way and i will stay out of theirs

AlekSmart

FTA69 wrote: »

All western countries have foreign criminal gangs operating within them. In Ireland and the UK however, the vast majority of the upper echelons of crime (with the possible exception of Turkish gangs) are native born and bred. Obviously foreign criminals are as much a sorce of concern as any other criminal, but the notion that we're getting flooded by foreign criminals was and is scare mongering.

Once we can be soothed and reassured that the problem does'nt exist,then,sure'n we'll be grand.

Our presupposition to date has been that all the foreigners coming to our lovely land were refugees in some form,escaping tyranny,oppression,poverty or the Conservative Party and therefore were guaranted a warm céad mile failte from the friendly Irish.

This is still the case...is'nt it ?

Turtyturd

Grahamb23 wrote: »

Seen as that's public knowledge why cant they do anything about it???

Don't you know how many people could get away with doing 35 on the quays if police resources were allocated to tackling actual crime?

zom

HondaSami wrote: »

What about the Irish gangs, will they go out of business now the foreigners are here?

They migrate to...hmmm, I don't know... Australia maybe??

Sergeant

It's the Mongolian Mafia we need to be afraid of. If them lads get in here then we're all fúcked.

FTA69

Montroseee wrote: »

The first few posters can't seem to read, it's not a foreigner bashing thread.

Perhaps not, but you did link to sensationalist crap. Jim Cusack is like a more refined version of Paul Williams; in other words he hears a few rumours, injects a bit of poetic license, adds a stupid nickname and then releases a hysterical article of impending doom. He also pretends to have his finger "on the pulse or gangland" etc when in reality his finger is usually up his hole.

Cusack uses the word "hordes" of foreign gangs, implying a Mongol-like invasion of identity thieves and people smugglers. Is that to say there aren't foreign gangs here? Of course not, there are organised East European, Nigerian, Pakistani and Chinese gangs operating here; the Triads have been here since the 1970s odd. We also have a multitude of low-level scallywag breakers However, this is the case in every country in Europe. They aren't flocking here because of our lenient justice system, they are just a natural byproduct of migration and a relatively wealthy country.

If Cusack was honest he'd admit that countries which are far more lenient e.g. Sweden, Netherlands etc have much more prominent non-national criminals.

donegal_road

Anyone wrote: »

Exactly, I mean a post on After Hours is all the proof the law needs.

the Gardaí have been on to this already for a long time, the problem is there are many still managing to go undetected.

Turtyturd

Sergeant wrote: »

It's the Mongolian Mafia we need to be afraid of. If them lads get in here then we're all fúcked.

Won't somebody think of our sh*tty walls?

Montroseee

Foreign gangs are also highly involved in the cigarette smuggling trade because of the high tax here.

FTA69

AlekSmart wrote: »

Once we can be soothed and reassured that the problem does'nt exist,then,sure'n we'll be grand.

Putting things in perspective isn't the same as denial. The vast majority of those involved in drugs and organised crime are Irish. The vast majority of gang-related killings involve native criminals. Out of the hundreds of thousands of foreigners in Ireland it's not exactly big news that some of them are invovled in crime.

Our presupposition to date has been that all the foreigners coming to our lovely land were refugees in some form,escaping tyranny,oppression,poverty or the Conservative Party and therefore were guaranted a warm céad mile failte from the friendly Irish.

The vast majority of migrants into Ireland were Eastern Europeans who were allowed to migrate here under EU rules as well as returned Irish from abroad (like the Dundons in Limerick.) In other words, asylum seekers etc constituted a small minority of immigrants.

And yes, the vast majority did come to Ireland to work and build a better life for themselves.

AlekSmart

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

They stay out of my way and i will stay out of theirs

Good advice for sure.....but have you a Plan B,for when paths cross...as in your missus havin a minor traffic shunt with the missus of an Eastern European businessman......

All of a sudden there's Insurance irregularities,which interestingly,fail to interest the Gardai,then theres difficulties contacting the other party,followed by them contacting YOU,in a manner traditional to their exotic homeland,involving animal carcasses left outside yer gate......Quaint and somewhat sulphuric stuff,but it broadens our narrow isolated native perspective,so it's all good...is'nt it ? :rolleyes:

But I agree Sept23,staying out of each others way is the safest suggestion....Forget all that oul guff about integration and multi-culturalism cos in modern Ireland,Segregation = Self-Preservation !!

Anyone

donegal_road wrote: »

the Gardaí have been on to this already for a long time, the problem is there are many still managing to go undetected.

So are you saying that the Guards haven't arrested the people they haven't caught? Shocking....

Leftist

Montroseee wrote: »

Foreign gangs are also highly involved in the cigarette smuggling trade because of the high tax here.

Jesus... the animals. You'd never find the irish at that. We should get the ira out of retirement to deal with it, you'd never catch the ira at that kind of thing. Potato. Red cheeks. Featureless bungaloes.

BillyMitchel

Holsten wrote: »

I know of one Romanian criminal gang who travel Europe just to steal handbags and phones.

Crazy.

What like you know the whole gang?!

twowheelsonly

FTA69 wrote: »

All western countries have foreign criminal gangs operating within them. In Ireland and the UK however, the vast majority of the upper echelons of crime (with the possible exception of Turkish gangs) are native born and bred. Obviously foreign criminals are as much a sorce of concern as any other criminal, but the notion that we're getting flooded by foreign criminals was and is scare mongering.

Far from it I'm afraid. Don't know what the current numbers are but at one stage there were over 700 foreigners in Irish Jails. Out of a Jail population of 4,000 ish that's a significant number. They also have their own hierarchy within the jails and a fair few of the number are serious players.

Uriel.

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Once Nig

Who?

pcardin

Somebody from Baltics once told me that Lithuanian is not a nationality, it's a profession.

Not my words so no offence.

Montroseee

A lot of ignorant posters in this thread, the cannabis trade in Ireland is dominated by the Triads - read up on Operation wireless or talk to a Garda.

AlekSmart

FTA69 wrote: »

AlekSmart wrote: »

Putting things in perspective isn't the same as denial. The vast majority of those involved in drugs and organised crime are Irish. The vast majority of gang-related killings involve native criminals. Out of the hundreds of thousands of foreigners in Ireland it's not exactly big news that some of them are invovled in crime.

The vast majority of migrants into Ireland were Eastern Europeans who were allowed to migrate here under EU rules as well as returned Irish from abroad (like the Dundons in Limerick.) In other words, asylum seekers etc constituted a small minority of immigrants.

And yes, the vast majority did come to Ireland to work and build a better life for themselves.

All very true,but the recognition that our Law Enforcement and Judicial systems lagged far behind the game came very late,and in many cases still has'nt sunk in.

Vast Majority,in this case,still leaves a significant minority of Career Criminal Individuals and Groupings about whom The Gardai and State in general know absolutely Nothing.

If the State then moves to address this deficiency,it runs the risk of some native high-profile Civil Righteous Minded bodies going ballistic in their endeavours to portray The Irish State as an Oppressive entity out to diss the foreigner ....:rolleyes:

Zebra3

No mention of the biggest foreign criminal gangs operating here.






The ECB, IMF.....

.jacksparrow.

Leftist wrote: »

Jesus... the animals. You'd never find the irish at that. We should get the ira out of retirement to deal with it, you'd never catch the ira at that kind of thing. Potato. Red cheeks. Featureless bungaloes.

Well that didn't take long!

mattjack

FTA69 wrote: »

Perhaps not, but you did link to sensationalist crap. Jim Cusack is like a more refined version of Paul Williams; in other words he hears a few rumours, injects a bit of poetic license, adds a stupid nickname and then releases a hysterical article of impending doom. He also pretends to have his finger "on the pulse or gangland" etc when in reality his finger is usually up his hole.

Cusack uses the word "hordes" of foreign gangs, implying a Mongol-like invasion of identity thieves and people smugglers. Is that to say there aren't foreign gangs here? Of course not, there are organised East European, Nigerian, Pakistani and Chinese gangs operating here; the Triads have been here since the 1970s odd. We also have a multitude of low-level scallywag breakers However, this is the case in every country in Europe. They aren't flocking here because of our lenient justice system, they are just a natural byproduct of migration and a relatively wealthy country.

If Cusack was honest he'd admit that countries which are far more lenient e.g. Sweden, Netherlands etc have much more prominent non-national criminals.

Them Vikings would be a gang too ?

Leftist

Zebra3 wrote: »

No mention of the biggest foreign criminal gangs operating here.






The ECB, IMF.....

It's all coming together, like a good auld cup of irish tea or a genuinely well timed mass. Begorrah and the blessed saints of timmy. What's that outside? sure isn't it an appirition of Mary herself, shuffling in a ditch.

For what died the sons of erin? was it for this? so the mucky foreigners can come in and dish out their garlic stenched crime wave?

Montroseee

Isn't there an EU criminal database that Ireland has decided to not use when it comes to dealing with foreign nationals wanting to enter the country. Nothing against foreign nationals but I'd expect the ones that are allowed in do not have serious convictions.

FTA69

AlekSmart wrote: »

All very true,but the recognition that our Law Enforcement and Judicial systems lagged far behind the game came very late,and in many cases still has'nt sunk in.

In what sense? Believe it or not the cops aren't stupid and know in general what's going on. It's also extremely difficult for them to target criminals that operate exclusively in the confines of their own withdrawn community e.g. the Triads. As for judicial systems, that has little to do with the fact that EU migrants are entitled to moved to Ireland and a mass movement of people to any country will see criminals migrating with them or emerging in the host country.

Vast Majority,in this case,still leaves a significant minority of Career Criminal Individuals and Groupings about whom The Gardai and State in general know absolutely Nothing.

Says who? There are plenty of foreign criminals in Irish jails.

If the State then moves to address this deficiency,it runs the risk of some native high-profile Civil Righteous Minded bodies going ballistic in their endeavours to portray The Irish State as an Oppressive entity out to diss the foreigner ....:rolleyes:

What do you suggest they do that they aren't doing already? As I said, there are plenty of foreign criminals in jail and the cops aren't as thick as you're suggesting.

Leftist

Montroseee wrote: »

Isn't there an EU criminal database that Ireland has decided to not use when it comes to dealing with foreign nationals wanting to enter the country. Nothing against foreign nationals but I'd expect the ones that are allowed in do not have serious convictions.

Would you? what kind of serious convicts?
And are Irish criminals exempt from moving around the EU under similar restrictions or should Spain, Holland and the UK for three examples, be grateful to take some nasty sons of erin off our hands?

On the other hand, should someone convicted and punished for a crime, be prevented from moving within the European Union?

donegal_road

Anyone wrote: »

So are you saying that the Guards haven't arrested the people they haven't caught? Shocking....

the Gardaí dont have the necessary proof to arrest all the suspects involved in these rackets.

Montroseee

Leftist wrote: »

Would you? what kind of serious convicts?
And are Irish criminals exempt from moving around the EU under similar restrictions or should Spain, Holland and the UK for three examples, be grateful to take some nasty sons of erin off our hands?

On the other hand, should someone convicted and punished for a crime, be prevented from moving within the European Union?

The individual in my OP had a conviction for rape before he moved to Ireland and therefore should never have been let into the country in the first place. Yes, people who are a proven danger to others should not be allowed to move within the EU where they can slip under the radar.

Leftist

Montroseee wrote: »

The individual in my OP had a conviction for rape before he moved to Ireland and therefore should never have been let into the country in the first place. Yes, people who are a proven danger to others should not be allowed to move within the EU where they can slip under the radar.

We better tell spain or the netherlands to send back Larry murphy then.
Oh no wait, potato. Because we're special.

The 'man in your op' btw, targetted lithuanians.

FTA69

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Far from it I'm afraid. Don't know what the current numbers are but at one stage there were over 700 foreigners in Irish Jails. Out of a Jail population of 4,000 ish that's a significant number. They also have their own hierarchy within the jails and a fair few of the number are serious players.

And how many of them are inside for assault, or drink driving or some other low-level crime? There are hundreds of Irish criminals in London jails as well and only a few of them would be proper organised criminals. The main players in Ireland always were and still are Irish, bar a few things like identity theft and card skimming etc. If you want to talk about drugs, armed robbery and racketeering our own blackguards are far more prominent.

Montroseee

Leftist wrote: »

We better tell spain or the netherlands to send back Larry murphy then.
Oh no wait, potato. Because we're special.

The 'man in your op' btw, targetted lithuanians.

Restrictions should be imposed universally. Also, he did not just target Lituanians, a quick google will show you that .