D4 accent

Dazzler0911 · 14-05-2013 02:46PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

LOL.
Face it, you're putting on the accent and now you're just trying to justify it.
Call me cynical but If you went to college in Cavan I doubt you'd come home with that accent somehow.

No s**t, who in their right mind WANTS a Cavan accent

Ilyana 2.0 · 14-05-2013 02:47PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

LOL.
Face it, you're putting on the accent and now you're just trying to justify it.
Call me cynical but If you went to college in Cavan I doubt you'd come home with that accent somehow.

What's the point in putting on an accent? Way too much effort, I'd slip up eventually and embarrass myself.

Funnily enough I used to live in Cavan; I spoke like a Cavan person until I moved to the midlands. I still speak like a midlands person again after a few days at home.

Accents change depending on the environment, some people being more sensitive to it than others. It's not always intentional.

The Backwards Man · 14-05-2013 02:56PM

Ilyana 2.0 wrote: »

What's the point in putting on an accent? Way too much effort, I'd slip up eventually and embarrass myself.

Funnily enough I used to live in Cavan; I spoke like a Cavan person until I moved to the midlands. I still speak like a midlands person again after a few days at home.

Accents change depending on the environment, some people being more sensitive to it than others. It's not always intentional.

Only two types of people change their accent; those who are ashamed of where they came from, and international spies.

Ilyana 2.0 · 14-05-2013 02:58PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Only two types of people change their accent; those who are ashamed of where they came from, and international spies.

Dammit, you got me. The CIA will not be happy.

ColeTrain · 14-05-2013 02:58PM

Dazzler0911 wrote: »

No s**t, who in their right mind WANTS a Cavan accent

Exactly Sherlock.

Ilyana 2.0 wrote: »

What's the point in putting on an accent? Way too much effort, I'd slip up eventually and embarrass myself.

Funnily enough I used to live in Cavan; I spoke like a Cavan person until I moved to the midlands. I still speak like a midlands person again after a few days at home.

Accents change depending on the environment, some people being more sensitive to it than others. It's not always intentional.

Accents do change but this is usually after a long time living in a different location. Ever consider that you're putting on this accent to fit in with your peers? If you were a bit more confident in yourself maybe it wouldn't change? I'm not saying that's definitely the case with you but it might be the cause.

Ilyana 2.0 · 14-05-2013 03:05PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Accents do change but this is usually after a long time living in a different location. Ever consider that you're putting on this accent to fit in with your peers? If you were a bit more confident in yourself maybe it wouldn't change? I'm not saying that's definitely the case with you but it might be the cause.

Like I said, some people are more susceptible to accent changes than others. I don't have to live somewhere for a decade for my accent to assimilate, it happens quite quickly. My mother is the same, always was.

I'm not 'putting on' any accent, nor do I feel the need to do so in order to fit in with anyone. I really don't understand why people find it so difficult to accept that someone's accent changing isn't always intentional.

Kev_2012 · 14-05-2013 03:15PM

"ah yah, can I loike have a mexican double decaf mocha latte, yah, to go yah"
Stupid accent although I find the Drogheda accent the worst in the world.

Although out in Castletroy in Limerick there seems to be a few D4 accents getting bandied around the place.

Kev_2012 · 14-05-2013 03:17PM

Ilyana 2.0 wrote: »

One of my friends slagged me not too long ago for my 'posh D4 accent'. I go to college in Dublin, I live there most of the week and most of my classmates are from South Dublin. It's not surprising that I might start speaking in a D4 accent. Why anyone cares, I don't know.

If I went to college in Cork, I'd have a Cork accent. My accent is just bendy, it changes without me trying. I hate the assumption that someone who lives in Dublin and speaks like a South Dublin resident has changed their accent on purpose, to try make themselves sound 'better'.

I agree with you here. It's very easy to pick up an accent when living away. I lived in Dublin before too and my accent was really odd (Limerick/Cork/Dublin) all mashed into a bastardized accent.

Even when I was in Toronto last year for a week I ended up talking a bit weird because I had to slow down the way I spoke and pronounce my words a bit clearer.

If everyone just understood the Limerick City accent it would be much better!!!

ColeTrain · 14-05-2013 03:21PM

Ilyana 2.0 wrote: »

Like I said, some people are more susceptible to accent changes than others. I don't have to live somewhere for a decade for my accent to assimilate, it happens quite quickly. My mother is the same, always was.

I'm not 'putting on' any accent, nor do I feel the need to do so in order to fit in with anyone. I really don't understand why people find it so difficult to accept that someone's accent changing isn't always intentional.

I just find it hard to believe that your accent changed from being in college for a few hours every day, when you're not even there for the full week. Also, I'm sure you talk to your friends and family on the phone when you are there, so it's not like you're isolated from your 'normal' accent.
Also, the accent you now have just happens to be seen as the trendy accent for a lot of silly people.

awec · 14-05-2013 03:21PM

Some people have to adjust how they speak slightly so that people understand them when they move to a new area.

I think you'd have to have lived there for a very long time to have a permanent change of accent, but my girlfriend does tell me I sometimes revert into full on nordy mode after a few pints.

HerrScheisse · 14-05-2013 03:23PM

Shaw should have looked closer to home.

It is impossible for an Irishman to open his mouth without making some other Irishman hate or despise him.

It is impossible for an Irishman to state his postcode without making some other Irishman hate or despise him.

It is impossible for an Irishman to state his job without making some other Irishman hate or despise him.

It is impossible for an Irishman to make conversation without making some other Irishman hate or despise him.

It is impossible for an Irishman to drink coffee / beer / wine without making some other Irishman hate or despise him.

It is impossible for an Irishman to talk about property / sport / politics without making some other Irishman hate or despise him.

Etc Etc...the Irish, the most introspective haters in the world. Most nations target outsiders, the Irish loath each other.

hullaballoo · 14-05-2013 03:25PM

I'm friends with someone who had a really strong Galway accent all the way through 4 years of UCD and 2 years post-Grad in Scotland. Met up with her last month and after living in Switzerland, she hasn't a trace of Galway left. Her accent is now close to what most people would call "D4". (It isn't D4 at all, neutral and D4 are nothing alike.)

Anyway, turns out she couldn't communicate with anyone in work in Geneva. The last straw was when she was in a meeting with some clients and one said, "will you take that fcuking potato out of your mouth." Harsh. I still lolled though.

endacl · 14-05-2013 03:27PM

It's not their fault that nobody ever learned dem to talk proper.

Ilyana 2.0 · 14-05-2013 03:28PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

I just find it hard to believe that your accent changed from being in college for a few hours every day, when you're not even there for the full week. Also, I'm sure you talk to your friends and family on the phone when you are there, so it's not like you're isolated from your 'normal' accent.
Also, the accent you now have just happens to be seen as the trendy accent for a lot of silly people.

As I said previously, my accent reverts to my home one when I'm home for a while. It's purely down to environment, not intention. I may keep a little voice recorder on me and let you have a listen, so you'll believe me

Also, I wouldn't consider any of my friends, nor myself, to be 'silly people' on the basis of an accent. Bit of a generalisation there tbh.

ColeTrain · 14-05-2013 03:37PM

Ilyana 2.0 wrote: »

As I said previously, my accent reverts to my home one when I'm home for a while. It's purely down to environment, not intention. I may keep a little voice recorder on me and let you have a listen, so you'll believe me

Also, I wouldn't consider any of my friends, nor myself, to be 'silly people' on the basis of an accent. Bit of a generalisation there tbh.

Sorry, I re-read my post there, I didn't mean to insult you or your friends. I just dislike people putting on that accent but I will say in fairness that it's possible that you've managed to unintentionally pick up the d4 twang. Thoughts and prayers to you

spot_light · 14-05-2013 03:45PM

awec wrote: »

The D4 accent is easier to understand than the bogger accents where they try and fit the entire sentence into a single word and speak it in a single breath.

big variation of bogger accents

Kerry , galway and Donegal are nice

louth , meath and the midlands are less pleasant on the ear

CommanderC · 14-05-2013 03:49PM

snubbleste wrote: »

Orts inn YouCeeDee

UCD....I'm not hearing the difference with that one.

Red Crow · 14-05-2013 03:53PM

All Dublin accents are repulsive. Most of the D4 accents you hear are from people who are pretending to be posh or wealthy.

CommanderC · 14-05-2013 03:55PM

Now the 'howaya accent', as it's called, I like. I've been living with my in laws for the past year, who are from Drimnagh and Rialto and (as a foreigner) I've just never met such kind, welcoming and friendly people, so I can't help but have such positive feelings about that particular accent. I do realise that a lot of people who hear a working class Dublin accent are often terrified for some strange reason :rolleyes:

The 'shwehhhhh' accent that scumbags and junkies put on....jesus I can't stand it !!!

joseph brand · 14-05-2013 03:57PM

pmcmahon wrote: »

Suprisingly the majority of people I meet with D4 accents don't even come from Dublin.

Totally. A friend of mine from Limerick, who plays rugby, told me that around half the team have the D4 accent. Dafuq like?

Btw, George "money" Hook is from Cork and he has a fan-tostic D4 accent roish.

HerrScheisse · 14-05-2013 04:06PM

melekalikimaka wrote: »

nothing wrong at all with the D4 accent, opens alot more job opportunities for people and is one of the easier accents to understand. Also its not tied to one place to anyone can pick it up and better themselves with out feeling they sound out of character.

People need to grow up

And then they ask where you are from and suddenly, you are the great pretender...and the hollow guffaws and Har Hars ring loud.

Anyway, the sound of vowels is hardly meritocracy.

playedalive · 14-05-2013 04:08PM

BlueJohn wrote: »

No one in rathfarnham speaks like that. Well no I have talked to anyway.

Neither in Terenure. :P

Just because you're from South Dublin doesn't mean that everybody talks with the same accent known as 'D4 accent'. Even though Dublin is quite a small place, everybody will always speak language according to both environmental and personal expression of language. Everybody has their unique way of speaking.

The D4 accent can be known as the 'dort' accent. But, it's just one type of accent.

I do think people do try to (either intentionally or unintentionally) unify within a certain accent. I know a group of people who consistently speak the D4 accent, who don't live on the DART line. It's so cringeworthy. "O moi gurge, fhuw heinos before the rugger' and 'OMG, i've eaten so moch chauklite, we're tawking, diabetes central (like a Ross O'Carroll-Kelly book). I think it's a certain type of personality that have those accents (Private school, socialite, rugger bugger :P. But, not everybody who goes to private school, socialises and plays rugby, mind.

shootermacg · 14-05-2013 04:41PM

I've noticed the accent in the Luas between St Stephens Green and Dundrum. I live in Goatstown and know a lot of of the older crowd (40+) there, not a D4 accent among them, quite a normal accent.

But the kids! My gowd the kids!!! Its like a mixture of D4, american bimbo mixed with a slur like someone drunk while on medication and every statement ends in a question? WTF!!!!!.

For me an accent is an accent, but this 'put on' accent makes me want to punch the deluded gits in the face! It does seem to be more prevalent among girls though.

giant_midget · 14-05-2013 05:18PM

Anyone who chops and changes their accent every few weeks to suit whatever area they are in is a moron, Plain and simple...no two ways about it.

I posted this in another thread a few months back, January in fact as it was to do with my car insurance up for renewal.

I got a call from an insurance company who i had got a quote with online..The guy who i was speaking to had the most annoying american/D4 accent i had ever come across, I just kept telling him i couldnt understand him and after a few moments he started to speak like a real dublin person again...

Latchy · 14-05-2013 05:43PM

While we are at dahling ... it's ''roundabout'' , not '' roundaboush ''

ButtersSuki · 14-05-2013 05:57PM

I'll not name her but the biggest put-on D4 accent offender I've ever heard is from North Kerry and educated in UCC............

Loike totes amazeballs.....:eek:

Meangadh · 14-05-2013 05:59PM

melekalikimaka wrote: »

nothing wrong at all with the D4 accent, opens alot more job opportunities for people and is one of the easier accents to understand. Also its not tied to one place to anyone can pick it up and better themselves with out feeling they sound out of character.

People need to grow up

I hate using this phrase, but... LOL. "Better themselves"... hilarious. I can assure you if I was to take on that accent I would certainly not be bettering myself as I'd just be a douchebag putting on an accent. I know sometimes people pick up accents, but anyone who decides to just change theirs is absolutely acting out of character.

shootermacg wrote: »

I've noticed the accent in the Luas between St Stephens Green and Dundrum. I live in Goatstown and know a lot of of the older crowd (40+) there, not a D4 accent among them, quite a normal accent.

But the kids! My gowd the kids!!! Its like a mixture of D4, american bimbo mixed with a slur like someone drunk while on medication and every statement ends in a question? WTF!!!!!.

For me an accent is an accent, but this 'put on' accent makes me want to punch the deluded gits in the face! It does seem to be more prevalent among girls though.

Yeah 4 of my cousins who are now in their 30s and 40s grew up in the Stillorgan area in a pretty nice estate, went to school in Dublin 4 and not one of them has the D4/Dort accent. They have noticeable Dublin accents, but it doesn't grate on your ears like the D4 one. I actually can't abide listening to it. Miriam O'Callaghan speaking is like nails on a blackboard to me.

Daveysil15 · 14-05-2013 06:10PM

What does the D4 accent sound like? I live in the back of beyond and I'm not familiar with it.

Wibbs · 14-05-2013 06:21PM

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

elocution lessons? maybe i missed the sarcasm, you must be taking the piss there. obviously no elocution teacher would be teaching a dart accent.

At one point(in the 50's/60's IIRC) Ireland, Dublin in particular had the highest number of elocution teachers in Europe. I'll try and dig up that link. Anyway the general reason seemed to have been to soften/change the rural accent in newcomers to Dublin. Essentially it was seen that an Irish rural accent was somehow backward. Which of course is a lot of utter bahollocks. And I say that as a Dub whose family go back to the egg in the city. The elocution sought to standarise "proper english" IE an attempt to bring it closer to received pronunciation in Britain. You can hear the echo of elocution in much of it. EG the fear of dropping aitches which many regional accents do(tirty tree and a turd), led to the addition of an aitch where none is present. HeightH for example.

The Dort accent was based on that and really kicked off in the late 80's, but has become even more accentuated in some groups. Mostly as a self identifier and excluder of the "other". Just like the Stoooooory buuud" accent. More recently the American nasally twang has kicked in, usually, but not exclusively more in female speakers(women are more likely to expand on social exclusion in their speech apparently. I'll try and dig that link up too). Some have suggested sheer sheite like The Hills has added much to the accent. I can say that while I certainly heard the "Posh, we're really trying to sound like our betters" accent back in the day, the American accent was much lesser. I recently overheard a young wan of about 15 in Dundrum(south burb of Dublin) with a nasally strangulation of the english language a stoned Valley girl with a deviated septum would have difficulty conjuring up.

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Only two types of people change their accent; those who are ashamed of where they came from, and international spies.

Not always TBM. I have known a few people who just pick up accents. Maybe it's from a subconscious need to fit in, but it could also be that they just have an ear for mimicry. Before he married my father lived for many years in different English speaking parts of the world, yet retained his Irish/old south Dublin accent. I once asked him why he didn't change his accent and he replied he never found a better one.

Then again he couldn't mimic accents to save his life so...

saralou2011 · 14-05-2013 06:28PM

Daveysil15 wrote: »

What does the D4 accent sound like? I live in the back of beyond and I'm not familiar with it.

Jedward accents!:mad:

D4 accent

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