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Garda Commisioner now admits he had penalty points wiped out

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭malibu4u


    Nimrod 7 wrote: »
    We know a lot of people had their penalty points erased, from average Joe to maybe senior politicians. The guards did it for their friends and not for money.
    Not for money? are you serious? A sales rep I know paid 500 cash to avoid penalty points. He drives for a living.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    US President Salary: $400,000. That's €306,536.80 at today's exchange rate.

    Commissioner's Salary (as at 01/01/10) : €204,386.

    Bit of a difference, still quite a nice wage though.

    Of course that's not including the US President's $170,000 annual expense account, use of Air Force One, limo, round the clock security team, living rent free in the White House etc etc etc.

    Checked out Obama's wages on Wiki, gives it as $311,000 thats €239,000.
    But i distinctively remember him stating in his innaugeration speech that he aimed to give good value for his highly paid presidents job of $250,000, thats €190,000
    But to put it more into perscective, the chief commissioner of the New York police, Joseph Esposito, earns $200,000 (€152,000) while in charge of 35,000 officers serving 8.4 million people.
    Incidentally, the guy we have all watched on tv over the last few days,Daniel Linskey,police chief of Boston earns $161,000 (€122,000) while in charge of 2,200 officers. A really articulate guy who was under enermous pressure.
    Just imagine our commissioner in that scenario, a guy that earns €204,000 ($267,000) struggling to put two words of a sentence together. truely mind-boggling. Little wonder we're bankrupt. (in every sense)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭The Maverick


    washman3 wrote: »
    Checked out Obama's wages on Wiki, gives it as $311,000 thats €239,000.
    But i distinctively remember him stating in his innaugeration speech that he aimed to give good value for his highly paid presidents job of $250,000, thats €190,000
    But to put it more into perscective, the chief commissioner of the New York police, Joseph Esposito, earns $200,000 (€152,000) while in charge of 35,000 officers serving 8.4 million people.
    Incidentally, the guy we have all watched on tv over the last few days,Daniel Linskey,police chief of Boston earns $161,000 (€122,000) while in charge of 2,200 officers. A really articulate guy who was under enermous pressure.
    Just imagine our commissioner in that scenario, a guy that earns €204,000 ($267,000) struggling to put two words of a sentence together. truely mind-boggling. Little wonder we're bankrupt. (in every sense)

    Every single source I can see, including wikipedia and the Irish Times says he earns $400,000 per year. He has agreed to take a 5% pay cut ($20,000).

    The actual NYPD commissioner is Ray Kelly who earns $215,000 per year. Jopseph Esposito was the Chief of Police, though he retired recently. The Garda Commissioner would be a merger of the NYPD's Commissioner and Chief of Police roles.

    The Boston Police Department is roughly 5 times smaller then the Gardaí, so from a purely mathematical prospective its commissioner should be earning 5 times less than the Garda Commissioner i.e €40,800. Obviously that is completely unrealistic and ignores a lot of practical matters.

    I don't know where you get the idea the Garda Commissioner is some half wit who can't string a sentence together. I've seen him speak and he comes across reasonably well. The only times I remember the commissioner speaking at length at press conferences was when Adrian Donoghue was murdered in January. Once again, I couldn't find fault with his manner in front of the cameras.

    By the way, I'm not trying to say that the Garda Commissioner deserves his large salary, I just wanted to point out how wrong your original point that he earns more than the US President was.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭mathepac


    Apart from the ridiculous wages, a couple of things about this case are extremely odd.

    IIRC the Garda Commissioner gets a a car and a armed Garda driver as part of his deal. Why were they not in use on the day? Why was he driving himself if he was on duty, en route to an important security meeting?

    If as has been pointed out, he is exempt from certain sections of the Road Traffic laws, why not go to court and challenge the fine and points the correct way by mounting a case in court? These the options open to Sean & Sheila citizen - pay up or appear in court.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭The Maverick


    mathepac wrote: »
    Apart from the ridiculous wages, a couple of things about this case are extremely odd.

    IIRC the Garda Commissioner gets a a car and a armed Garda driver as part of his deal. Why were they not in use on the day? Why was he driving himself if he was on duty, en route to an important security meeting?

    If as has been pointed out, he is exempt from certain sections of the Road Traffic laws, why not go to court and challenge the fine and points the correct way by mounting a case in court? These the options open to Sean & Sheila citizen - pay up or appear in court.

    I would have thought he did get a driver and car alright which does make it odd.

    However, if all the exempt from rules of the road etc logic actually applies here, it would make more sense to quash the points rather then wasting his and the courts time by having to go to court to challenge them.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SB2013


    mathepac wrote: »
    Apart from the ridiculous wages, a couple of things about this case are extremely odd.

    IIRC the Garda Commissioner gets a a car and a armed Garda driver as part of his deal. Why were they not in use on the day? Why was he driving himself if he was on duty, en route to an important security meeting?

    If as has been pointed out, he is exempt from certain sections of the Road Traffic laws, why not go to court and challenge the fine and points the correct way by mounting a case in court? These the options open to Sean & Sheila citizen - pay up or appear in court.

    Sean and Sheila citizen can also appeal their points before a court prosecution is brought.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭TheLastMohican


    Is nobody, no politician or journo, going to ask him if he's telling lies?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,372 ✭✭✭Saab Ed


    I think nobody is surprised by this. Its not shocking because its just an Irish truth. Very sad. Our police force is a law to itself wheter its flashing the badge at a toll bridge to get free passage, helping their mate's out of traffic offence fines or simply throwing their weight around when it suits them. My confidence in our police force has not taken any further knock on the back if this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭TheLastMohican


    washman3 wrote: »
    Checked out Obama's wages on Wiki, gives it as $311,000 thats €239,000.
    But i distinctively remember him stating in his innaugeration speech that he aimed to give good value for his highly paid presidents job of $250,000, thats €190,000
    But to put it more into perscective, the chief commissioner of the New York police, Joseph Esposito, earns $200,000 (€152,000) while in charge of 35,000 officers serving 8.4 million people.
    Incidentally, the guy we have all watched on tv over the last few days,Daniel Linskey,police chief of Boston earns $161,000 (€122,000) while in charge of 2,200 officers. A really articulate guy who was under enermous pressure.
    Just imagine our commissioner in that scenario, a guy that earns €204,000 ($267,000) struggling to put two words of a sentence together. truely mind-boggling. Little wonder we're bankrupt. (in every sense)

    Again, could not some brave journalist ask him if he thinks his salary is commensurate with his bailiwick? And how it can be justified in the light of salaries for similar jobs in other countries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    Sunday Times to day,page 4. a little reminder of what they can get away with, it is something to keep an eye on, to see how things roll from here. John Mooney is the reporter.I posted on this thread about drunk gardai getting away with traffic offences causing death. Watch this play out, a senior detective leaving the scene of an accident involving a child, going home and drinking a large one to settle his nerves. This guy is a professional, dealing with the raw end of life, does he do that when he is on the job.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    Just checked, my post does not warrant a listing on new posts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    ..............going home and drinking a large one to settle his nerves. ...........

    And that wasn't to hide the amount of alcohol in his system before the accident ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 699 ✭✭✭mikehammer67


    Sunday Times to day,page 4. a little reminder of what they can get away with, it is something to keep an eye on, to see how things roll from here. John Mooney is the reporter.I posted on this thread about drunk gardai getting away with traffic offences causing death. Watch this play out, a senior detective leaving the scene of an accident involving a child, going home and drinking a large one to settle his nerves. This guy is a professional, dealing with the raw end of life, does he do that when he is on the job.

    not the first case of that sort


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,766 ✭✭✭flutered


    Boombastic wrote: »
    And that wasn't to hide the amount of alcohol in his system before the accident ;)
    how much had he in his system pray tell.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 699 ✭✭✭mikehammer67


    flutered wrote: »
    how much had he in his system pray tell.

    flutered lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    not the first case of that sort

    That is why I posted it. A senior detective, obviously does not understand how blood tests works as regards drink. Keep an eye on what charges are made if any.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SB2013


    That is why I posted it. A senior detective, obviously does not understand how blood tests works as regards drink. Keep an eye on what charges are made if any.

    There are only a certain amount of charges that can be brought in a case like that. Four possible offences under Section 106 (duties at an accident) and an offence of attempting to frustrate a prosecution. The second one is a very difficult one to prove. This is of course aside form those related to an actual crash such as dangerous driving. It is up to the judge to pass a sentance which reflects the seriousness of the case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    That is why I posted it. A senior detective, obviously does not understand how blood tests works as regards drink. Keep an eye on what charges are made if any.

    Then again it was only a kid, a cyclist on the Nass road, a guy walking home from a disco in Killkenny. Big deal really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    SB2013 wrote: »
    There are only a certain amount of charges that can be brought in a case like that. Four possible offences under Section 106 (duties at an accident) and an offence of attempting to frustrate a prosecution. The second one is a very difficult one to prove. This is of course aside form those related to an actual crash such as dangerous driving. It is up to the judge to pass a sentance which reflects the seriousness of the case.

    You failed to mention leaving the scene of an accident, Oh, that does not apply to Gardai. My apologies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Any links to the article? I can't seem to find it online, thanks


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SB2013


    You failed to mention leaving the scene of an accident, Oh, that does not apply to Gardai. My apologies.

    That would be Section 106 of the Road Traffic Act. Apology accepted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Any links to the article? I can't seem to find it online, thanks

    No just an article by John Mooney in the ST. Never mentioned on the RTE news, or TV3, then again it was only a child.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    SB2013 wrote: »
    That would be Section 106 of the Road Traffic Act. Apology accepted.

    A week later and he has not been charged under section 106 of the road traffic act, If that was Joe public, he would have been named by now. People talk about the golden circle, what about the how is your fathers circle in the force.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SB2013


    A week later and he has not been charged under section 106 of the road traffic act, If that was Joe public, he would have been named by now.

    It appears you don't have a clue what you are talking about. I've never heard of anyone charged with 106 within that short a time period. It requires a file to be submitted for a decision. If a child was injured it will likely be months before a file is completed. Statements, medical reports, vehicle inspection reports, scene analysis report. The fact it was a Garda will likely mean it goes to the DPP for direction which will delay it even longer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    No just an article by John Mooney in the ST. Never mentioned on the RTE news, or TV3, then again it was only a child.

    Strange it not being reported by RTE etc..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Well, lets not kid ourselves here, people don't join the force because they want to make a difference, in the same way people join the navy / army to protect this country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SB2013


    Well, lets not kid ourselves here, people don't join the force because they want to make a difference, in the same way people join the navy / army to protect this country.

    Source?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    SB2013 wrote: »
    It appears you don't have a clue what you are talking about. I've never heard of anyone charged with 106 within that short a time period. It requires a file to be submitted for a decision. If a child was injured it will likely be months before a file is completed. Statements, medical reports, vehicle inspection reports, scene analysis report. The fact it was a Garda will likely mean it goes to the DPP for direction which will delay it even longer.
    And on top of all that, if I am not mistaken the incident will also be investigated by the GOC,an organization not known for allowing cover ups.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 699 ✭✭✭mikehammer67


    but if they get to keep their job and get off with DD

    it's worth it


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SB2013


    And on top of all that, if I am not mistaken the incident will also be investigated by the GOC,an organization not known for allowing cover ups.

    Most likely.At the very least it will be run by GSOC.
    but if they get to keep their job and get off with DD

    it's worth it

    Unlikely they will keep their job. They might be able to retire instead of be sacked but that's a matter for the commissioner. As to getting off with a DD. Dangerous driving and leaving the scene of an accident are also punishable by driving bans. The other incidents Busted alluded to, I believe both Gardaí lost their jobs and were convicted.


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