Garda Commisioner now admits he had penalty points wiped out

paddy147

Even the garda commisioner has had penalty points wiped out,as he claims he was on official duty.

He was caught back in 2007 while he was driving his own car through Finglas at 83kph in a 60kph zone.

Yet he got them wiped off his record.

Story is on the front of tomorrows Irish Independent newspaper






Beggars belief at this stage with this carry on.

Whos next then,Enda Kenny...or Saint Bono perhaps?????:pac:

The Backwards Man

paddy147 wrote: »

Even the garda commisioner has had penalty points wiped out,as he claims he was on official duty.


Beggars belief at this stage with this carry on.

Whos next then,Enda Kenny...or Saint Bono perhaps?????:pac:

Link?

Peregrine

I don't understand why people keep making threads about this

We know a lot of people had their penalty points erased, from average Joe to maybe senior politicians. The guards did it for their friends and not for money. They were disciplined. What do you want? criminal charges?

We know about it now and it won't happen again, that's the important bit. Let's just move on now?

paddy147 wrote: »

Even the garda commisioner has had penalty points wiped out,as he claims he was on official duty.

He was caught back in 2007 while he was driving his own car through Finglas at 83kph in a 60kph zone.
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In fairness, that's nothing compared to what some ejits do on Finglas Road

paddy147

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Link?

Answer is in edited post above.:)

Renn

We know about it now and it won't happen again

Really?

shootermacg

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

I don't understand why people keep making threads about this

We know a lot of people had their penalty points erased, from average Joe to maybe senior politicians. The guards did it for their friends and not for money. They were disciplined. What do you want? criminal charges?

We know about it now and it won't happen again, that's the important bit. Let's just move on now?



In fairness, that's nothing compared to what some ejits do on Finglas Road

I for one am very interested when those who "uphold the law" are just petty crooks when it comes right down to it. This guy should be fired, to prove, if nothing else that there is at some integrity left in this cesspool.

SB2013

Who owned the car is irrelevant. It's the purpose of the trip that matters.

allthedoyles

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arybvtcw0eolkf

Fair f*cks to the guy, I'd have done the same ~ as would a lot of people here.

paddy147

allthedoyles wrote: »

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"it is thought that he was traveling to an important security meeting at the time".


What a feable load of absolute horseshyte and a cop out (excuse the pun) from the commisioner.

arybvtcw0eolkf

paddy147 wrote: »

"it is thought that he was traveling to an important security meeting at the time".


What a feable load of absolute horseshyte and a cop out from the commisioner (excuse the pun).:rolleyes:

How do you know its horsesh*te and a cop out?.

juice1304

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

I don't understand why people keep making threads about this

We know a lot of people had their penalty points erased, from average Joe to maybe senior politicians. The guards did it for their friends and not for money. They were disciplined. What do you want? criminal charges?

We know about it now and it won't happen again, that's the important bit. Let's just move on now?



In fairness, that's nothing compared to what some ejits do on Finglas Road

Yes I do,
There is no justification for what they have been doing. Their job is to enforce the law not make it up as they go along and it is not at their discretion to allow their friends get away with anything. He should be leading by example, A good example not by saying corruption is ok. They are an embarrassment to the country and what is the actual good law abiding garda going to do when he experiences corruption in his station? what should he do report it to the other openly corrupt high ranking members i would be afraid to if it were me for fear that they would try and brush it under the carpet and i am sure it would get back to whoever it was about and then life would be very difficult. The courts should make an example of them, any corruption from someone in a job like that should receive a longer sentence for abuse of power and instilling distrust in the community.

paddy147

Braylen Flaky Frame wrote: »

How do you know its horsesh*te and a cop out?.

Because we cant have the head of the police actualy being done for speeding and getting penalty points now can we????

Especially when hes allways there on the TV talking on and on about garda speed checks/speed camera vans and speeding motorists.

juice1304

SB2013 wrote: »

Who owned the car is irrelevant. It's the purpose of the trip that matters.

The gardai are not above the law if he was late for a meeting that is his own fault if he was not on his way to an emergency then he dose not have the right to endanger other road users.

paddy147

juice1304 wrote: »

The gardai are not above the law if he was late for a meeting that is his own fault if he was not on his way to an emergency then he dose not have the right to endanger other road users.

"better get back to the station fast,before me cuppa tea and me cheeseburger gets cold"....:pac::pac::rolleyes:

arybvtcw0eolkf

paddy147 wrote: »

Because we cant have the head of the police actualy being done for speeding and getting penalty points now can we????

Especially when hes allways there on the TV talking on and on about garda speed checks/speed camera vans and speeding motorists.

He's a very important man, I doubt he was just swanning around Finglas checking out Jacinta's PJ's and Anto's new horse.

I'd have no problem with the guy giving it the welly and being excused of his points if he was on important Garda business & serving our communities.

But sure you have your hissy fit anyway.

tritium

paddy147 wrote: »

"it is thought that he was traveling to an important security meeting at the time".

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If he had been responding to an emergency then he'd have my absolute support, however if this is true then he hasn't a leg to stand on. Basically he was late for a meeting so he was speeding, and then used his position to get the points dropped.

Sorry Mak, i usually agree with you, but In any civilised society when a person in a position of influence is caught out this way their position is untenable and they resign fairly quickly. I'll be interested to see if that happens here

mikom

Official business............. That bat signals not going to light itself......

arybvtcw0eolkf

tritium wrote: »

If he had been responding to an emergency then he'd have my absolute support, however if this is true then he hasn't a leg to stand on. Basically he was late for a meeting so he was speeding, and then used his position to get the points dropped.

Sorry Mak, i usually agree with you, but In any civilised society when a person in a position of influence is caught out this way their position is untenable and they resign fairly quickly. I'll be interested to see if that happens here

Thanks

However no one knows the importance of the commissioners meeting, and we can't just assume a position of judgement over the Garda commissioner and say the meeting he'd to attend wasn't in the countries best interest 'nor indeed what made him late for that meeting.

If the news broke that the commissioner had requisitioned an army or garda helicopter as considerable expense to us sure we'd have someone else with their knickers in a twist over that!.

ColeTrain

Braylen Flaky Frame wrote: »

He's a very important man, I doubt he was just swanning around Finglas checking out Jacinta's PJ's and Anto's new horse.

I'd have no problem with the guy giving it the welly and being excused of his points if he was on important Garda business & serving our communities.

But sure you have your hissy fit anyway.

It makes a mockery of the speeding laws and even the advertisements that they've just rolled out.

What if he hit someone or is that not possible because he has a invincibility cloak around his car because he's high up in the force.

The Gardai are not above the laws that they enforce. If it wasn't an emergency that caused him to speed then I hope he gets hammered for this.

ballsymchugh

Braylen Flaky Frame wrote: »

Fair f*cks to the guy, I'd have done the same ~ as would a lot of people here.

now, now, don't you know everyone here is an upstanding member of the community!!

seven_eleven

Jesus, how does a Garda react when he pulls over the god damn commissioner of the force? :pac:

arybvtcw0eolkf

ballsymchugh wrote: »

now, now, don't you know everyone here is an upstanding member of the community!!

Yup, the equestrian community on their high horses.

paddy147

Braylen Flaky Frame wrote: »

He's a very important man, I doubt he was just swanning around Finglas checking out Jacinta's PJ's and Anto's new horse.

I'd have no problem with the guy giving it the welly and being excused of his points if he was on important Garda business & serving our communities.

But sure you have your hissy fit anyway.

You are doing a good job of trying to defend a man who tells people via their TVs that there is no excuse for speeding,and to slow down and to make time for their journey.

paddy147

seven_eleven wrote: »

Jesus, how does a Garda react when he pulls over the god damn commissioner of the force? :pac:

"Do you know the speed limit on this road and what speed you were doing"??

"Is this your vehicle??"

"Can I see your licence please"

arybvtcw0eolkf

paddy147 wrote: »

You are doing a good job of trying to defend a man who tells people via their TVs that there is no excuse for speeding,and to slow down and to make time for their journey.

Ohhhhh bold font now, you really do have those knickers in a twist!..

I'm away ta' bed, goodnight.

tritium

Braylen Flaky Frame wrote: »

Thanks

However no one knows the importance of the commissioners meeting, and we can't just assume a position of judgement over the Garda commissioner and say the meeting he'd to attend wasn't in the countries best interest 'nor indeed what made him late for that meeting.

If the news broke that the commissioner had requisitioned an army or garda helicopter as considerable expense to us sure we'd have someone else with their knickers in a twist over that!.

It may well have been an important meeting, in the countries best interests. It would doubtless have been embarrassing if he had been late- given he was stopped and was probably late as a result I'm sure it actually was embarrassing, though I've heard no reports that anyone died as a result of something he missed in the first ten minutes. However it was in no sense an emergency and using the cloak of official business after the fact was wrong- notwithstanding that it may have been common practice at the time.

There are many upsides to a role like that but the downside is you accept a greater level of probity than applies the the average man or woman. If this report istrue then his position is simply untenable if the office he holds is to retain it's dignity

washman3

Braylen Flaky Frame wrote: »

He's a very important man, I doubt he was just swanning around Finglas checking out Jacinta's PJ's and Anto's new horse.

I'd have no problem with the guy giving it the welly and being excused of his points if he was on important Garda business & serving our communities.

But sure you have your hissy fit anyway.

Very important indeed..:D actually so important that the Irish taxpayer pays him more the the USA pays their president Barack Obama.!! incredible.

He should be sacked, immediately. how can a guy like this propose to uphold the law.:mad:

paddy147

Braylen Flaky Frame wrote: »

Ohhhhh bold font now, you really do have those knickers in a twist!..

I'm away ta' bed, goodnight.

Just making you aware of what this men tells everybody else about use of public roads,speeding and safety on the roads,thats all.

Night night.

Busted Flat.

He investigated himself, what has Shatter got to say about this.

Corkbah

washman3 wrote: »

Very important indeed..:D actually so important that the Irish taxpayer pays him more the the USA pays their president Barack Obama.!! incredible.

He should be sacked, immediately. how can a guy like this propose to uphold the law.:mad:

simply because ... theres a lot more than him who have done it .... how long before we get the "it was common place at the time but procedures have changed to prevent this kind of thing from happening again"

I do agree with you that he should be sacked but how many others would have to follow him out the door ? how many gardai used/abused the system, how many reporters/journalists/friends/family of gardai, how many celebrities ....
how far back in history do you go in order to correct the whole thing ? ...to the introduction of penalty points ? will points be retrospectively added and then subsequently taken off given that they should have been added at a period when the driver may have already been on 10points and should have been banned ??

The system is a joke and always has been, its impractical without some level of abuse - in times of old (pre-penalty points) it was always those who were friendly with the local sergeant who got off fines etc....its rife in this country and always has been.

Pendu

washman3 wrote: »

Very important indeed..:D actually so important that the Irish taxpayer pays him more the the USA pays their president Barack Obama.!! incredible.

He should be sacked, immediately. how can a guy like this propose to uphold the law.:mad:

Seriously ??

We'll never git rid a the gombeen culture.

The Maverick

washman3 wrote: »

Very important indeed..:D actually so important that the Irish taxpayer pays him more the the USA pays their president Barack Obama.!! incredible.........

US President Salary: $400,000. That's €306,536.80 at today's exchange rate.

Commissioner's Salary (as at 01/01/10) : €204,386.

Bit of a difference, still quite a nice wage though.

Of course that's not including the US President's $170,000 annual expense account, use of Air Force One, limo, round the clock security team, living rent free in the White House etc etc etc.

Micky 32

I see sky have a documentary about the emergency services around the world about doing heroic amazing recue's etc.. It shows the irish gardai with their debut on it, " He's doing 123kmhr!"

Death and Taxes

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

I don't understand why people keep making threads about this

We know a lot of people had their penalty points erased, from average Joe to maybe senior politicians. The guards did it for their friends and not for money. They were disciplined. What do you want? criminal charges?

We know about it now and it won't happen again, that's the important bit. Let's just move on now?



In fairness, that's nothing compared to what some ejits do on Finglas Road

When were they disciplined? In fact apparently the Garda investigation into this corrupt practice which cost the taxpayer an estimated €8,000,000 has led to no action being taken against any guards except for the persecution of the whistleblowers.
And yes criminal charges for perverting the course of justice would be a good start, then perhaps we could have some faith in your claim that it wont happen again.

Death and Taxes

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

I don't understand why people keep making threads about this

We know a lot of people had their penalty points erased, from average Joe to maybe senior politicians. The guards did it for their friends and not for money. They were disciplined. What do you want? criminal charges?

We know about it now and it won't happen again, that's the important bit. Let's just move on now?



In fairness, that's nothing compared to what some ejits do on Finglas Road

When were they disciplined? In fact apparently the Garda investigation ( thats right, they investigated themselves..lol) into this corrupt practice which cost the taxpayer an estimated €8,000,000 has led to no action being taken against any guards except for the persecution of the whistleblowers.
And yes criminal charges for perverting the course of justice would be a good start, then perhaps we could have some faith in your claim that it wont happen again

Corkbah

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

I don't understand why people keep making threads about this

We know a lot of people had their penalty points erased, from average Joe to maybe senior politicians. The guards did it for their friends and not for money. They were disciplined. What do you want? criminal charges?

We know about it now and it won't happen again, that's the important bit. Let's just move on now?



In fairness, that's nothing compared to what some ejits do on Finglas Road

So... are you trying to say that its ok for a Garda to break the law if they are doing it for their friends/family ?

if they have been disciplined the general public have not seen or heard any punishments - so if it has happened it must have been internal....if so, did they get punished for the crime or punished for getting caught ? (you can understand that the general publics perception is that nothing is done if they do not see/hear of someone being brought to task on the matter)

Did anyone loose their job over abusing the law ? I doubt it very much !!

as for your last comment about

In fairness, that's nothing compared to what some ejits do on Finglas Road

thats simply trying to claim its ok because someone else did something worse .... does that mean that this breach of the law by some members of the gardai is nothing compared to what others have done ? (I should mention the mcbrearties or frank short as examples)

S28382

I had penalty points wiped out too ............:cool:

folan

i dont trust anyone who hasnt had penalty points wiped out.

Death and Taxes

S28382 wrote: »

I had penalty points wiped out too ............:cool:

Not taking the bait.
Ok , was it for a genuine and honest reason (work related, rushing a sick patient to hospital etc), or was it just like so many others in the force, because they see it as a perk of the job?

S28382

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Not taking the bait.
Ok , was it for a genuine and honest reason (work related, rushing a sick patient to hospital etc), or was it just like so many others in the force, because they see it as a perk of the job?

Well to be honest the reason was that i know a fella who is in a position to have them wiped out. I wasnt speeding or it wasnt for use of a mobile it was for driving alone as an L driver :eek:....i know shocking stuff i should be jailed for driving without a fully licensed driver....but hey that was a few years ago im now a proud holder of a pink piece of paper. :cool:

AlanG

Braylen Flaky Frame wrote: »

Thanks

However no one knows the importance of the commissioners meeting,

He has a Garda driver and official car so almost never drives himself to official meetings. He is not an operational Garda so does not respond to emergencies. Therefore he should have taken his punishment.

This attitude is very similar to the one that got the drunk garda waved through a checkpoint at Camden street some years back, after which he duly ploughed into the front of the bleeding horse an killed a young lady.

Your defence of him is moronic.

folan

S28382 wrote: »

Well to be honest the reason was that i know a fella who is in a position to have them wiped out. I wasnt speeding or it wasnt for use of a mobile it was for driving alone as an L driver :eek:....i know shocking stuff i should be jailed for driving without a fully licensed driver....but hey that was a few years ago im now a proud holder of a pink piece of paper. :cool:

you, sir, are evil.

driving alone. next youll be saying its ok to drive at night!

S28382

folan wrote: »

you, sir, are evil.

driving alone. next youll be saying its ok to drive at night!

Sh*t sometimes i work nights am i actually not meant to drive to work i feel so dirty now.

HondaSami

shootermacg wrote: »

I for one am very interested when those who "uphold the law" are just petty crooks when it comes right down to it. This guy should be fired, to prove, if nothing else that there is at some integrity left in this cesspool.

A little OTT don't you think, it's easy for everyone to say they would not do it but reality is different, majority of people would accept a favour in cancelling penalty points.

I don't see why people keep going on about penalty points anyway, it's not sch a big deal imo

Mr Simpson

Can we just clear something up. It doesn't matter if Guards are responding to an emergency or going to a meeting. If they are ON DUTY, then they are exempt from the road traffic act (or most of it). No matter whether they are commisioner or garda.

(Maybe not relevant in this case, but people keep on asking the purpose of his journey)

HondaSami

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Not taking the bait.
Ok , was it for a genuine and honest reason (work related, rushing a sick patient to hospital etc), or was it just like so many others in the force, because they see it as a perk of the job?

It is a perk of the job, same as lots of jobs, why are you surprised at this? It's human nature to get favours done.

Do you think nurses/doctors don't get favours done for their friends/family?

S28382

HondaSami wrote: »

It is a perk of the job, same as lots of jobs, why are you surprised at this? It's human nature to get favours done.

Do you think nurses/doctors don't get favours done for their friends/family?

A friend of mine works in a hospital his missus had to visit a different hospital few times he could still ring up and have her put to the top of the waiting list for any appointment or whatever, tis the way of the world i suppose it might not be right but it sure does happen.

HondaSami

S28382 wrote: »

A friend of mine works in a hospital his missus had to visit a different hospital few times he could still ring up and have her put to the top of the waiting list for any appointment or whatever, tis the way of the world i suppose it might not be right but it sure does happen.

Like i said human nature, there are very few people who would not get penalty points cancelled if they could.
It's not right but it's life, people need to move on and get over it. Some people who post here must be saints or they like us to believe they are.

Phoebas

HondaSami wrote: »

Like i said human nature, there are very few people who would not get penalty points cancelled if they could.
It's not right but it's life, people need to move on and get over it. Some people who post here must be saints or they like us to believe they are.

This doesn't make any sense. You feel that its not right, yet you want no action taken against it.

HondaSami

Phoebas wrote: »

This doesn't make any sense. You feel that its not right, yet you want no action taken against it.

What action should be taken? you think he should be sacked from his job?