DAFT report - less than 2000 homes to rent in Dublin!

gaius c · 07-05-2013 11:42AM

Presume it's subdivided properties rather than 5-6 bedroom family homes?

Looking at that table:
1 room -> 1.42 persons per household -> 1.42 persons per room
2 room -> 1.88 pph -> 0.94 ppr
3 room -> 2.32 pph -> 0.77 ppr
4 room -> 2.29 pph -> 0.57 ppr
5 room -> 2.76 pph -> 0.55 ppr
6 room -> 2.82 pph -> 0.47 ppr
7 room -> 3.13 pph -> 0.45 ppr
8 room -> 3.45 pph -> 0.43 ppr

But assuming it's largely subdivided properties, that means there's a lot of excess beds out there. Assuming 1 person to 1 bed and also that "8 or more" is just 8. Just done the maths and only 54% of available beds are used! In other words, 46% of beds in Dublin are not used. That's pretty surprising considering the population density there.

gurramok · 07-05-2013 11:51AM

I don't know whats going on with the rooms, I originally thought those 5+ bed properties was Georgian Dublin at play.

But when you check the coastal towns for example -Swords, Lusk, Balbriggan, Donabate, Rush, Skerries - they too have a lot of 5+ bed properties.
Link: http://census.cso.ie/sapmap/

Anyone explain it? Couldn't be hotels\B&B's counted as households?

gaius c · 07-05-2013 12:15PM

gurramok wrote: »

I don't know whats going on with the rooms, I originally thought those 5+ bed properties was Georgian Dublin at play.

But when you check the coastal towns for example -Swords, Lusk, Balbriggan, Donabate, Rush, Skerries - they too have a lot of 5+ bed properties.
Link: http://census.cso.ie/sapmap/

Anyone explain it? Couldn't be hotels\B&B's counted as households?

65% of Dublin's population lives in a 5 bed+ household and I think it's fair to say that 65% of Dublin don't live in Georgian Dublin. Re the commuter towns, McMansions perhaps?

realgirl · 07-05-2013 12:51PM

At risk of looking a bit silly, that says number of rooms, not number of bedrooms...

StillWaters · 07-05-2013 12:53PM

realgirl wrote: »

At risk of looking a bit silly, that says number of rooms, not number of bedrooms...

Not silly at all. You are right. Sitting rooms, kitchens etc are counted in the census.

gaius c · 07-05-2013 12:57PM

realgirl wrote: »

At risk of looking a bit silly, that says number of rooms, not number of bedrooms...

Oopsy.
I'm pointing the finger at gurramok :-p

realgirl · 07-05-2013 01:08PM

StillWaters wrote: »

Not silly at all. You are right. Sitting rooms, kitchens etc are counted in the census.

I remember thinking when I filled in the census form that people would be confused by this and they'd probably end up with incorrect data. I lived in a 2 bed house that also had bathroom, sitting room and kitchen so I put 5. I reckon a lot of people would probably have put 2. Surely almost no-one lives somewhere that has only one room. What were they hoping to understand from this info anyway. If I have an open plan kitchen/dining/living room is that 1 room or 3? If I have a shed in the garden I use as an office or playroom is that 1 room?

gurramok · 07-05-2013 01:09PM

gaius c wrote: »

Oopsy.
I'm pointing the finger at gurramok :-p

Hehe, oops alright

There are 18,914 people living with just 1 room for all the facilities(bedroom, kitchen, shower), bedsits\studios? :eek:

StillWaters · 07-05-2013 01:19PM

realgirl wrote: »

I remember thinking when I filled in the census form that people would be confused by this and they'd probably end up with incorrect data. I lived in a 2 bed house that also had bathroom, sitting room and kitchen so I put 5. I reckon a lot of people would probably have put 2. Surely almost no-one lives somewhere that has only one room. What were they hoping to understand from this info anyway. If I have an open plan kitchen/dining/living room is that 1 room or 3? If I have a shed in the garden I use as an office or playroom is that 1 room?

It is used to measure overcrowdness and a deprivation indicator.

seamus · 07-05-2013 01:20PM

gurramok wrote: »

Hehe, oops alright

There are 18,914 people living with just 1 room for all the facilities(bedroom, kitchen, shower), bedsits\studios? :eek:

I think what's more surprising is that nearly 60% of those people are sharing that single room (that's assuming the vast majority are doubled up and not tripled up or more).

StillWaters · 07-05-2013 01:23PM

seamus wrote: »

I think what's more surprising is that nearly 60% of those people are sharing that single room (that's assuming the vast majority are doubled up and not tripled up or more).

I'd imagine that data might be a bit corrupt, ie people underreporting rooms due to misunderstanding. Even allowing for that, it's a sobering figure.

realgirl · 07-05-2013 01:27PM

seamus wrote: »

I think what's more surprising is that nearly 60% of those people are sharing that single room (that's assuming the vast majority are doubled up and not tripled up or more).

I'd say its pretty likely a lot of these people are living in 1 bed houses/apartments that also have a sitting room, kitchen, bathroom etc but just misunderstood the info they were expected to put on the form. I hope so - 1 room to live in seems pretty 3rd world and awful, still can't quite figure out a legitimate situation where 1 or 2 people could live in 1 room - temporary b&b accomodation perhaps?

07-05-2013 01:44PM

Plenty of 1-bed bedsits around, no? Going by ads on daft. I remember one where someone wanted to share it :eek:

realgirl · 07-05-2013 01:50PM

bluewolf wrote: »

Plenty of 1-bed bedsits around, no? Going by ads on daft. I remember one where someone wanted to share it :eek:

Assuming you have a bathroom then isn't that 2 rooms? I guess if the bathroom is shared between a few bedsits then that confuses things too...

StillWaters · 07-05-2013 03:59PM

realgirl wrote: »

Assuming you have a bathroom then isn't that 2 rooms? I guess if the bathroom is shared between a few bedsits then that confuses things too...

From CSO 'The following should not be counted as rooms: kitchenette, scullery, bathroom, toilet, garage, halls, landings, rooms that are only used for storage such as cupboards, consulting room, office, shop.'

It was only quite recently they did away with the question about having an outside toilet iirc.

gaius c · 07-05-2013 11:40PM

Search for Dublin city lettings:

Found 2,327 properties

So now the thread title is 16% wrong despite only being 5 days old.

gurramok · 08-05-2013 07:41AM

Had to check myself, gone up 9 since Gaius_C post.

Also, there are 1,535 properties available for Sharing.

Lettings:

Found 2,336 properties. Displaying properties 1 - 10 below
Searching for properties to let in Dublin City

gaius c · 09-05-2013 09:41AM

gurramok wrote: »

Had to check myself, gone up 9 since Gaius_C post.

Also, there are 1,535 properties available for Sharing.

Lettings:

2352 this morning and still liffeylite refuses to correct his erroneous thread title.

Victor · 09-05-2013 03:12PM

gaius c wrote: »

2352 this morning and still liffeylite refuses to correct his erroneous thread title.

liffeylite doesn't have the authority to edit the thread title.

Regardless, the daft.ie report still says: "currently, there are fewer than 2,000 homes on the market in the capital." http://www.daft.ie/report/index

If you have a problem, take it up with daft.ie.

Snideness not welcome.

Moderator

Halloween Jack · 09-05-2013 03:24PM

gaius c wrote: »

2352 this morning and still liffeylite refuses to correct his erroneous thread title.

Can I just say the number of listings on daft is not entirely reliable either. I've contacted a number of agent this week regarding ads which have been up for a while. They had been let but not taken down. Agents seem slow to do this, presumably as they are off after the next score.

Trent Houseboat · 09-05-2013 04:54PM

Halloween Jack wrote: »

Can I just say the number of listings on daft is not entirely reliable either. I've contacted a number of agent this week regarding ads which have been up for a while. They had been let but not taken down. Agents seem slow to do this, presumably as they are off after the next score.

Aye, it's annoying. I assume estate agents do it because they've paid for a period of time to host the ad. If the property is let during that time, others can still click on the ad and contact the EA regarding this. At which time they would try to offer the caller something else suitable.

You can, and I do, report ads on Daft as bing out of date. Not sure if Daft do anything about this though.

PhilMcGee · 09-05-2013 06:21PM

Halloween Jack wrote: »

Can I just say the number of listings on daft is not entirely reliable either. I've contacted a number of agent this week regarding ads which have been up for a while. They had been let but not taken down. Agents seem slow to do this, presumably as they are off after the next score.

DAFT definitely isnt reliable. My agents leave ads up for years at a time.
There are apartments in the same blocks as mine advertised with my photos on them.
I dont mind at all because if the agent is saving then im saving.

So there are two sides to this. one - there could be many apartments for just one ad. two - there could be ads up with no apartments available at all at that time.
conclusion - Dont rely on DAFT to count properties to let.

DAFT know about this and dont mind because these agents put a lot of different ads for different types of properties in different areas anyway.

gaius c · 09-05-2013 11:30PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Aye, it's annoying. I assume estate agents do it because they've paid for a period of time to host the ad. If the property is let during that time, others can still click on the ad and contact the EA regarding this. At which time they would try to offer the caller something else suitable.

You can, and I do, report ads on Daft as bing out of date. Not sure if Daft do anything about this though.

I've reported ads in the past and they do delete them, which makes me wonder if enterprising estate agents have ever tried to hobble competitors by getting their ads deleted.

There's only two ads on daft for the entirety of Clancy Quay but that covers a few hundred apartments.

As for the count, it's far from ideal but it's all we have to go on. If it goes up or down, that's a trend we can use. The exact figure itself is probably not all that useful.

gurramok · 25-06-2013 01:40PM

Amazing what 6 weeks brings, its now up to 2713. Summer exodus of students? Anyway, inventory is up, less pressure on rents you'd think

http://www.daft.ie/searchrental.daft?s[cc_id]=ct1&search=1

gaius c · 26-06-2013 12:28PM

Inventory is always up in summer. Current pattern isn't much different to previous summers. It's what happens in autumn that is of more interest. The last rental bubble (08-09) popped when inventory kept going up and up after the summer increase. Since then, it's been a slow but steady decrease in available stock.

starlit · 26-06-2013 01:09PM

So if they increase rent better chance of buying houses? Sure how can they if they stopped building and Nama can do what they want.

Not many places allow rent allowance but can understand them wanting to decrease it but should be means tested for more urgent cases and on individual bases.

DAFT report - less than 2000 homes to rent in Dublin!

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