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Iron Man 3

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    #572
    Thwip!
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    Saw it Saturday. Adored it. It's not a typical Iron Man film...and I think that may be for the best, because I like seeing that they're not afraid to go different on this.. Going to address a few points that have been made now

    Easter Eggs (somewhat)
    President Ellis (nod to Warren Ellis who wrote Extremis)
    A certain scientist at the start (nod to the first film)
    I felt that Harley was a nod to the Ultimate Comics and was their way of incorporating Tony's sentient brain Tumour who was called Anthony and was essentially young brainchild Tony

    I'm surprised no-one has mentioned just how amazing RDJ's acting was in this, especially when it came to the anxiety attacks. He was very much on form.

    With regards to whether he'll return,
    I think the ending was all lining up to us seeing him return with the armour in his bone hollows in the future films. At the end when the arc is gone, Pepper is cured (so he clearly understands Extremis) we see him at his house picking up a small screwdriver. Couple this with him saying "I am Iron Man" but the credits saying Tony Stark will return makes me think the screwdriver is symbolism that he's going to tinker with himself and we'll get full on extremis. I could of course be wrong. This film seemed to me to be the start of Tony answering Cap's Question in Avengers "Take away the suit of armour what are you?" We see Tony overcompensate with lots of armors but also distance himself using his interface and I think next time we'll get the Answer....that without the armour, he's still Iron Man

    Rhodey was badass in this. Some great action and dialogue with him. Also loved the dialogue between Tony and Harley (
    no need to be a pussy about it
    :P)

    It was so funny and i loved that. It played to RDJ's and Black's strengths in that repect.
    Trevor was ****ing hilarious. I nearly pissed myself in that scene
    "They got you off drugs?"
    "They gave me more drugs"

    I can understand how a lot of people would have a problem with the film....but **** it....I loved it

    And I can pretty much agree with everything OverHeal said


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    #573
    krudler
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    saw it for the second time over the weekend and enjoyed it more, sure its got some niggly annoying things with it plot wise, it does feel disjointed in places and like a chunk of it was cut out, the middle section is a bit flabby and it as always descending into metal things hitting each other in the climax. But the good outweighs any of the bad.

    I liked that it's
    Tony on his own for most of it, building stuff on the fly to help him out not just relying on the suits all the time. (although you do have to wonder why he didnt just call another one instead of waiting until the climax, he had dozens of the things why rely on a non functional one that keeps crapping out and Jarvis was back at a point way before he needed them)


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    #574
    ancapailldorcha
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    I think having Tony storing the armor in his bones would be enough to put a lot of people off, myself included. It's the stupid kind of nonsense that discourages me from reading most superhero comics.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #575
    MGWR
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    For those who have been following the comics and other media, this movie is not worth it as well as a huge disappointment. The Mandarin is Iron Man's arch-enemy and is not treated as such. Compare Batman vs. The Joker in "The Dark Knight", where the hero actually gets some remarkably big mayhem directly from the arch-enemy in question. Absolutely no imagination, never mind the bad treatment of the Extremis storyline. (The modern film industry's FX department can pull off characters such as Fin Fang Foom or MODOK quite easily as well, so their absence in what ought to have been a far more remarkable film is insulting.)


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    #576
    Overheal
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    For those who have been following the comics and other media, this movie is not worth it as well as a huge disappointment.
    I follow the comics. And I disagree with you.

    If you want a really good Mandarin arc, read the Matt Fraction series. It isn't that long really, and its full of good stuff. Pre-read Iron Man annual though and Enter the Mandarin, it adds even more gusto.
    (The modern film industry's FX department can pull off characters such as Fin Fang Foom or MODOK quite easily as well, so their absence in what ought to have been a far more remarkable film is insulting.)
    I just can't fathom how a talking dragon or MODOK would have worked. It had nothing to do about a technical or production limitation, it had everything to do with a fitting in the cinematic universe thing. And especially to the 3 films. To go from Box of Scraps in a cave, to mad russian scientist, to a ghost man that can travel through telephone lines? Seems like a gradual progression right?

    Truth is there are plenty of IM arcs that don't involve characters that are going to alienate cinema audiences and the absence of these characters like MODOK and all isn't really offending too many comic book nerds because frankly, these other cinema friendly arcs like Extremis are still pretty damned good. Plus that arc actually compliments the development of Tony Stark as a character.

    I understand the desire to see the more - fantastical - comics spring to life on the screen but honestly its just not practical and sometimes you gotta lend respect to the original medium being good by itself. The same arguments are made about books vs. film all the time - books are still the deeper medium, and comics are still a freer medium than film.


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    #577
    norrie rugger
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    I just don't get why they mention the Ten Rings, in the first film, and look to be expanding that further only to completely change the mythology


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    #578
    wp_rathead
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    Liked everything about this movie apart from when yer man breadthed fire, that was abit "yer what now?"
    I usually hate kids in movies, but the lad in this was hilarious


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    #579
    Zubeneschamali
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    norrie rugger wrote: »
    I just don't get why they mention the Ten Rings, in the first film, and look to be expanding that further only to completely change the mythology

    This is what's called a "twist", and it is supposed to surprise the audience.


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    #580
    missingtime
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    What did people think of James Badge Dale?

    I thought he was quite good, played both aloof and sinister very well.


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    #581
    norrie rugger
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    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    This is what's called a "twist", and it is supposed to surprise the audience.

    wow condescension much?
    A twist would be the
    that the Mandarin was not Kinsley but Pearce.
    What they did was completely remove the Madarin's origin/mythos and ignored something that they initiated in Iron Man 1


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    #582
    krudler
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    norrie rugger wrote: »
    wow condescension much?
    A twist would be the
    that the Mandarin was not Kinsley but Pearce.
    What they did was completely remove the Madarin's origin/mythos and ignored something that they initiated in Iron Man 1

    was the Mandarin referenced in IM1? dont remember that


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    #583
    Mickeroo
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    krudler wrote: »
    was the Mandarin referenced in IM1? dont remember that

    THe ten rings were, but it was just a bit of fan service/easter egg imo. They had no idea where the sequels would go at that point imo.


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    #584
    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    the group called themselves the Ten Rings and highlighted your man rotating a ring on his finger. Now I might have focused in on something small but I felt that it was a deliberate reference to the Mandarin

    Mickeroo wrote: »
    THe ten rings were, but it was just a bit of fan service/easter egg imo. They had no idea where the sequels would go at that point imo.
    Indeed but they then went with the Mandarin and ruined him, it would have made for a great arc from film 1-3. Why reference him only to destroy the character? Why use the arch villain of the Iron Man in such a role? They could have used one of several others


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    #585
    norrie rugger
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    As Marvel, currently, do not hold the film rights to Dr.Doom, Mandarin would have made a great replacement.


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    #586
    Overheal
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    Okay I'm a moviegoer: explain to me why suddenly there's a guy in this film with magic rings? Where the hell does that come from? Because at that point it's gone from technofantasy to "magic". The whole trilogy is based on pseudoscience. Explain magic rings and how that would work in your ideal iron man 3 film. Go.


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    #587
    norrie rugger
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Okay I'm a moviegoer: explain to me why suddenly there's a guy in this film with magic rings? Where the hell does that come from? Because at that point it's gone from technofantasy to "magic". The whole trilogy is based on pseudoscience. Explain magic rings and how that would work in your ideal iron man 3 film. Go.

    Iron Man has been introduced to aliens already, through the Avengers (which is where the ring technology comes from)
    Also magic rings Vs magic regrowth/breathing fire/super strength/explosive reaction?


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    #588
    DinoRex
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Okay I'm a moviegoer: explain to me why suddenly there's a guy in this film with magic rings? Where the hell does that come from? Because at that point it's gone from technofantasy to "magic". The whole trilogy is based on pseudoscience. Explain magic rings and how that would work in your ideal iron man 3 film. Go.

    In the comics his rings are the power source from a crashed alien space ship. Probably lots of them around after the events of the Avengers.


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    #589
    MGWR
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    DinoRex wrote: »
    In the comics his rings are the power source from a crashed alien space ship. Probably lots of them around after the events of the Avengers.
    Correct. The rings are actually "technofantasy", much like the Infinity Gauntlet (coveted by Thanos) and the Cosmic Cube (or "Tesseract")—and we've all seen both Thanos and the Cosmic Cube in the Avengers film.


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    #590
    OldeCinemaSoz
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    I liked it. The immediacy of the attack thru the soundtrack
    followed by the fit lead actor made it smart.

    8/10 at least.


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    #591
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    OldeCinemaSoz wrote: »
    followed by the fit lead actor made it smart.

    Yet again I have absolutely no idea what the hell you are saying. Are you implying that by finding Downey Jr. attractive the film was smart?


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    #592
    Mickeroo
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    All bets are off since Thor and his ilk were introduced regards magic and such imo,
    Killian says as much in this film
    so the rings would have been just as plausible as the likes of Thor's hammer, which never got any psuedo-scientific explanation and didn't need one tbh.


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    #593
    iColdFusion
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    DinoRex wrote: »
    In the comics his rings are the power source from a crashed alien space ship. Probably lots of them around after the events of the Avengers.
    O/T but there's a great short movie on the avengers blu-ray of some guy finding one of the alien guns and using it to rob banks :D


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    #594
    norrie rugger
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    Yeah, that's a good short


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    #595
    krudler
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    Mickeroo wrote: »
    All bets are off since Thor and his ilk were introduced regards magic and such imo,
    Killian says as much in this film
    so the rings would have been just as plausible as the likes of Thor's hammer, which never got any psuedo-scientific explanation and didn't need one tbh.

    they handily addressed it in Thor where he tells Portman that "you call it science, some call it magic, I come from a place where they're one and the same" or something the line goes.


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    #596
    Overheal
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    norrie rugger wrote: »
    Also magic rings Vs magic regrowth/breathing fire/super strength/explosive reaction?
    Which evidenced by this thread was enough to upset people. Firebreathing that is. Let alone magic rings.


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    #597
    MGWR
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    krudler wrote: »
    they handily addressed it in Thor where he tells Portman that "you call it science, some call it magic, I come from a place where they're one and the same" or something the line goes.
    Well, the Dwarves of Nidavellir aren't giving up all of their trade secrets, so it'll be up there with even the "arc reactor" or Bruce Banner's rapid cell reproduction during his transformations, for now.


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    #598
    ancapailldorcha
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    Don't think I'd mind the rings. It could have been a nice magic vs science setup. Ultimately, I was more than happy with the film though.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #599
    norrie rugger
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Which evidenced by this thread was enough to upset people. Firebreathing that is. Let alone magic rings.

    They're not magic. They are tech, in the same vein as the chest reactor, tesseract, hammer, super soldier serum etc.


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    #600
    humanji
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    I can't see how having the comic version of Mandarin in IM3 would have worked while trying to keep the story focused on Tony recovering from the alien invasion. It would have needed a huge amount of backstory on Mandarin, explain why he either was hidden while he came to power or why Tony decided not to do anything about him before, why the all-seeing SHIELD missed a crashed alien ship (even if it happened thousands of years ago, surely they'd have people in China who's job it is is to find out about such things), etc. It's just too much information to pass on and so there would have to be changes to him.

    Also, it does leave things open for the comic version to appear. The Ten Rings is a terrorist group and they work in cells, with each cell knowing next to nothing about the others and some inner circle controlling them all. It's perfectly possible in the continually moving goalpost worlds of Marvel, that the real Mandarin is manipulating things from the background.


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    #601
    MGWR
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    humanji wrote: »
    I can't see how having the comic version of Mandarin in IM3 would have worked while trying to keep the story focused on Tony recovering from the alien invasion. It would have needed a huge amount of backstory on Mandarin, explain why he either was hidden while he came to power or why Tony decided not to do anything about him before, why the all-seeing SHIELD missed a crashed alien ship (even if it happened thousands of years ago, surely they'd have people in China who's job it is is to find out about such things), etc. It's just too much information to pass on and so there would have to be changes to him.

    Also, it does leave things open for the comic version to appear. The Ten Rings is a terrorist group and they work in cells, with each cell knowing next to nothing about the others and some inner circle controlling them all. It's perfectly possible in the continually moving goalpost worlds of Marvel, that the real Mandarin is manipulating things from the background.
    They did bother with the backstory of both Maya Hansen and Aldrich Killian, albeit heavily altered; that took a good bit of the movie, and it could have been used for the Mandarin proper (you know, Iron Man's arch-enemy and all).

    And no, SHIELD has never been all-seeing. Stuff like Makluan technology would be impervious to whatever they were using. Never mind that AIM and HYDRA are quite adept at keeping SHIELD at bay themselves, and they're only scratching the surface of what the Makluans were capable of.

    Now if the Mandarin was shown at the end scene of the movie moving things behind the scenes indeed, instead of that superfluous scene between Stark and Banner that also lowered my opinion of the movie, that would have sent things into the stratosphere and redeemed the whole movie as a whole. But instead, we got what we got, and Disney seems to be of the opinion that they can throw what they please at the public.


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