Heterosexual Pride Day

Daith · 08-05-2013 10:23AM

kfk wrote: »

Can you tell me what the differences are between heterosexual and LGBT rights with civil partnerships and marriage?

Knock yourself out

http://www.marriagequality.ie/getinformed/missingpieces/missingpieces.html

Main difference is the family one. A single gay person can adopt a child but not two gay people. If that gay person enters a civil partnership, their partner has no legal right to the child.

Ruudi_Mentari · 08-05-2013 10:26AM

Just a load of straight cocks out in the open? I'm there......

Voice it proud. Solidarity; and I'll be out to show I can give what I can take

you mark my word.

kfk · 08-05-2013 10:32AM

Daith wrote: »

Knock yourself out

http://www.marriagequality.ie/getinformed/missingpieces/missingpieces.html

Main difference is the family one. A single gay person can adopt a child but not two gay people. If that gay person enters a civil partnership, their partner has no legal right to the child.

If a child is raised by a flamboyant homosexual, will the child pick up this flamboyance, and will this cause problems for him in the future IYO?

Annasopra · 08-05-2013 10:37AM

kfk wrote: »

If a child is raised by a flamboyant homosexual, will the child pick up this flamboyance, and will this cause problems for him in the future IYO?

Not sure what your point is really. Is it that flamboyant straight and gay people shouldn't raise children?

floggg · 08-05-2013 10:41AM

Ush1 wrote: »

Is it? So the best way to change society is to have a parade?

It's more like saying I want to be treated like everyone else but wahey, this is how I'm different from everyone!

I do understand however, as it's more to with oppression in my opinion than wanting to be viewed the same as everyone else.

You do realise you don't have to act the same or be the same to get the same rights?

An immigrant from France wouldn't have to cut all ties with French culture in order to be afforded job security, freedom of expression, marriage rights or privacy in Ireland.

Neither should gay people. We can acknowledge the fact there are some differences, celebrate the diversity in Irish society and draw attention to the remaining inequalities and discriminatory practices without precluding ourselves from the basic rights and obligations that go with bring an Irish citizen.

Equality requires equal respect and protection notwithstanding our differences.

To suggest that we should all act the same if we want to be treated the same shows you have no comprehension of the word.

There is nothing divisive about celebrating diversity when it's done in an inclusive manner.

New York holds a massive St Patricks Day parade every year. Rather than driving a wedge between Irish and non-Irish communities it gives a chance for the non-Irish community to become involved in the Irish culture and to bring people together.

Similarly, the Puerto Rican parade (or maybe it's just a Caribbean parade) in New York looks like a blast and I imagine it gives people a chance to get involved in that culture too.

You don't hear New Yorkers start mumbling looking for white Anglo Saxon Protestant parades when they see these parades. They join in.

floggg · 08-05-2013 10:51AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

For a test I put "gay pride ireland" into google images and this was the third image shown - now if gay people wanna have a parade, so be it. But I cant help but feel that if a large number of men and women were dancing down the street, half naked in a parade that WASNT anything to do with homsexuality ... the police would be called or the parade wouldnt get permission in the first place. It would be classed as "indecent", right? But yet that image above...

So there are double standards at play.

Funny I saw girls wearing less in the Paddy's Day Parade. Those poor Brazilians, nobody told them about Irish weather.

At least the gays get to march in June/July.

You would have thought if it was so illegal the Gardaí standing on the side of the road looking at them would have done something about it.

Corkfeen · 08-05-2013 10:55AM

Norwesterner wrote: »

i'd have bought that years ago....but today????

And why the need for Gay olympics and gay-only cemetaries (in Holland etc)
The only people ostracising gays and creating a sexual apartheid are the militant gays, who have the same destructve gene as the extreme feminists. The gay pride parades are outdated and cringeworthy.
Just get on with your lives already.

Well the cemetery thing appears to be rare in nature and it's not the entire cemetery or anything. One does not have to be gay to participate in a gay pride parade or gay Olympics. The latter being far more inclusive than the actual Olympics. So really these "militant gays' should be applauded as they're a hell of a lot more progressive than yourself. Nicely created imaginary militant gene BTW.

Daith · 08-05-2013 10:57AM

kfk wrote: »

If a child is raised by a flamboyant homosexual, will the child pick up this flamboyance, and will this cause problems for him in the future IYO?

Yes, hence all flamboyant gay people have only being raised by famboyant gay people.
Also all men raised by single mothers turn into women.

Ush1 · 08-05-2013 10:58AM

floggg wrote: »

You do realise you don't have to act the same or be the same to get the same rights?

Yes, that's what I said.

floggg wrote: »

An immigrant from France wouldn't have to cut all ties with French culture in order to be afforded job security, freedom of expression, marriage rights or privacy in Ireland.

Huh? Okay.

floggg wrote: »

Neither should gay people. We can acknowledge the fact there are some differences, celebrate the diversity in Irish society and draw attention to the remaining inequalities and discriminatory practices without precluding ourselves from the basic rights and obligations that go with bring an Irish citizen.

Exactly, so they do want to be seen as different but just equal rights. All I've said all along.

floggg wrote: »

Equality requires equal respect and protection notwithstanding our differences.

To suggest that we should all act the same if we want to be treated the same shows you have no comprehension of the word.

Of what word? Equality? No I understand fully. It's people who think we are all the same and certain divisions want to be perceived the same are the ones who are incorrect.

floggg wrote: »

There is nothing divisive about celebrating diversity when it's done in an inclusive manner.

That's a bit of an oxymoron to be honest. Diversity by its nature is divisive I'm afraid.

floggg wrote: »

New York holds a massive St Patricks Day parade every year. Rather than driving a wedge between Irish and non-Irish communities it gives a chance for the non-Irish community to become involved in the Irish culture and to bring people together.

Similarly, the Puerto Rican parade (or maybe it's just a Caribbean parade) in New York looks like a blast and I imagine it gives people a chance to get involved in that culture too.

You don't hear New Yorkers start mumbling looking for white Anglo Saxon Protestant parades when they see these parades. They join in.

I never said it did drive a wedge between anyone?

Butterface · 08-05-2013 11:16AM

floggg wrote: »

New York holds a massive St Patricks Day parade every year. Rather than driving a wedge between Irish and non-Irish communities it gives a chance for the non-Irish community to become involved in the Irish culture and to bring people together.

The New York St Patrick's Day parade is an unfortunate example. It still excludes openly gay groups from marching in the parade.

What does KFK think of that?

floggg · 08-05-2013 11:17AM

Ush1 wrote: »

Yes, that's what I said.

Huh? Okay.

Exactly, so they do want to be seen as different but just equal rights. All I've said all along.

Of what word? Equality? No I understand fully. It's people who think we are all the same and certain divisions want to be perceived the same are the ones who are incorrect.

That's a bit of an oxymoron to be honest. Diversity by its nature is divisive I'm afraid.

I never said it did drive a wedge between anyone?

I wasn't really sure what you were trying to say. In a number of posts you seemed to question why gay people would highlight their differences while also looking for equality. You certainly linked the two and seemed puzzled by it, as if one would negate the other.

And no diversity is not by its nature divisive.

You can celebrate another culture and learn where it differs while at the same time learning what we have on common is more important.

Cultural exchanges bring people closer together and foster mutual understanding.

Pretending there is no difference will only lead to conflict when those differences arise and the two sides can't understand each others perspective.

floggg · 08-05-2013 11:19AM

Ush1 wrote: »

Yes, but they want to be treated like everyone else so why take a day to highlight the reason for marginalisation. Hence the irony.

This being one of the posts I referred to

Ruudi_Mentari · 08-05-2013 11:23AM

I think it would be a let down.

would probably fail to pick up in the first place

Ush1 · 08-05-2013 11:31AM

floggg wrote: »

I wasn't really sure what you were trying to say. In a number of posts you seemed to question why gay people would highlight their differences while also looking for equality. You certainly linked the two and seemed puzzled by it, as if one would negate the other.

And no diversity is not by its nature divisive.

You can celebrate another culture and learn where it differs while at the same time learning what we have on common is more important.

Cultural exchanges bring people closer together and foster mutual understanding.

Pretending there is no difference will only lead to conflict when those differences arise and the two sides can't understand each others perspective.

floggg wrote: »

This being one of the posts I referred to

It was in reference to what another poster referred to as societal norm.(i.e. being the same as everyone else)

As for not being divisive, I'm not sure you understand what the word means:
di·ver·si·ty

/dɪˈvɜr

sɪ

ti, daɪ-/ Show Spelled [dih-vur-si-tee, dahy-] Show IPA
noun, plural di·ver·si·ties. 1. the state or fact of being diverse; difference; unlikeness: diversity of opinion.

2. variety; multiformity.

3. a point of difference.

floggg · 08-05-2013 11:37AM

Ush1 wrote: »

It was in reference to what another poster referred to as societal norm.(i.e. being the same as everyone else)

As for not being divisive, I'm not sure you understand what the word means:
di·ver·si·ty

/dɪˈvɜrsɪti, daɪ-/ Show Spelled [dih-vur-si-tee, dahy-] Show IPA
noun, plural di·ver·si·ties. 1. the state or fact of being diverse; difference; unlikeness: diversity of opinion.

2. variety; multiformity.

3. a point of difference.

Yes, diversity is about difference.

Differences however need not be divisive.

Divisive
adj
1. causing or tending to cause disagreement or dissension
2. Archaic having the quality of distinguishing
divisively adv
divisiveness n

Do you want me break it up into syllables too?

Ush1 · 08-05-2013 11:39AM

floggg wrote: »

Yes, diversity is about difference.

Differences however need not be divisive.

Divisive
adj
1. causing or tending to cause disagreement or dissension
2. Archaic having the quality of distinguishing
divisively adv
divisiveness n

Do you want me break it up into syllables too?

That is differences I'm afraid.

Ruudi_Mentari · 08-05-2013 11:40AM

I think your little scheme is doomed from the outset.

What if metrosexuals, see a resonance and parade their own fcucking wares in a similar fashion

1ZRed · 08-05-2013 11:45AM

kfk wrote: »

If a child is raised by a flamboyant homosexual, will the child pick up this flamboyance, and will this cause problems for him in the future IYO?

Yep, just like I picked up my straightness from my parents...

kfk · 08-05-2013 11:56AM

mango salsa wrote: »

Not sure what your point is really. Is it that flamboyant straight and gay people shouldn't raise children?

I did not make a point! I was not sharing my view as I dont have one yet! I was simply asking a question.

kfk · 08-05-2013 12:01PM

Daith wrote: »

Yes, hence all flamboyant gay people have only being raised by famboyant gay people.
Also all men raised by single mothers turn into women.

Thank you for answering my question. I'm beginning to form the view that gay people should not be allowed to raise children.

1ZRed · 08-05-2013 12:02PM

kfk wrote: »

I did not make a point! I was not sharing my view as I dont have one yet! I was simply asking a question.

No because it's ridiculous. I know a few straight camp lads, were did they pick it up? I've also seen straight people raised by gay parents who turned out not to be camp.

Being camp is just in you, it's in their personality (gay or straight), but no more than your own personality you can't change it. I'm not camp, just because I'm gay doesn't automatically make it appear in me.

I get you're only asking a question but it gets annoying to constantly hear this theory when it crumbles so easily under any moderate logic.

jaffacakesyum · 08-05-2013 12:06PM

kfk wrote: »

I never said that they overplay the discrimination card! I asked a question. The reason I asked the question was to get other peoples views. Do homosexuals not like being asked questions?

kfk wrote: »

Thank you for answering my question. I'm beginning to form the view that gay people should not be allowed to raise children.

Why?

And in fairness you're asking incredibly stupid questions. It's like me saying "Do all black people like fried chicken?" and then getting defensive and saying "Woah hold on, what..I was just asking a question. I don't have an opinion on it yet"

:rolleyes:

1ZRed · 08-05-2013 12:06PM

kfk wrote: »

Thank you for answering my question. I'm beginning to form the view that gay people should not be allowed to raise children.

Seriously what right in the world do you think you have to tell me what I am and am not allowed to do, like I'm somehow beneath you?

Just recently the story of the 5 year old who was given a gun by his parents and ultimately shot dead his 2 year old sister would be more than enough for me to say that no straight person should be allowed children.

But I know that's ridiculous because some straight parents are good, others are bad and the same applies to gay parents. I think you need to understand that too.

Daith · 08-05-2013 12:08PM

kfk wrote: »

Thank you for answering my question. I'm beginning to form the view that gay people should not be allowed to raise children.

I'm beginning to form a view of you myself.

kfk · 08-05-2013 12:08PM

1ZRed wrote: »

No because it's ridiculous. I know a few straight camp lads, were did they pick it up? I've also seen straight people raised by gay parents who turned out not to be camp.

Being camp is just in you, it's in their personality (gay or straight), but no more than your own personality you can't change it. I'm not camp, just because I'm gay doesn't automatically make it appear in me.

I get you're only asking a question but it gets annoying to constantly hear this theory when it crumbles so easily under any moderate logic.

Lets take a straight person raised by anti gay parents. He/She could inherit their anti gay views. They may want to form their own view as they get older so they ask what they want to know. If all they get back from the gay community are answers like these, then how do the gay community ever expect to be free from oppression and persecution?

kfk · 08-05-2013 12:10PM

Daith wrote: »

I'm beginning to form a view of you myself.

As I said, I was only asking. What do you expect with these answers?

1ZRed · 08-05-2013 12:13PM

kfk wrote: »

Lets take a straight person raised by anti gay parents. He/She could inherit their anti gay views. They may want to form their own view as they get older so they ask what they want to know. If all they get back from the gay community are answers like these, then how do the gay community ever expect to be free from oppression and persecution?

If you ever met me in real life I would answer your questions in a perfectly reasonable way. All my mates were on the homophobic side of things and had some pretty stupid notions about gay people to put it bluntly, but they know better now. I'm very rational on how I approach this because I know that preaching this stuff isn't going to work. Many gay people take that route and more often then not it's not as effective. That's why I do it my way and I've changed the views of far more people by doing it that way.

You got your answers it's you who's choosing not to listen so then it's somehow our fault that we won't be free from oppression and persecution? That doesn't make any sense.

jaffacakesyum · 08-05-2013 12:15PM

kfk wrote: »

As I said, I was only asking. What do you expect with these answers?

Are all old white men paedophiles?

Are all Muslims suicide bombers?

Are all men cheaters?

Are all women golddiggers?

What, I'm only asking. :rolleyes:

Daith · 08-05-2013 12:16PM

kfk wrote: »

As I said, I was only asking. What do you expect with these answers?

With your answers?

floggg · 08-05-2013 12:16PM

Ush1 wrote: »

That is differences I'm afraid.

You'll note the "archaic" before it. The first definition is how it is understood today.

Heterosexual Pride Day

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