td's wont be allowed to take communion if they vote for abortion.

ottostreet · 06-05-2013 05:58PM

Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »

I'd say excommunicate the lot of them.

Anyone who votes in favour of pro-abortion legislation (party whip or not) should be hung out to dry.

You can't have people who have had the benefit of a Catholic upbringing, a Catholic education and a church that has been by their side through the most difficult of times; simply turn their back on their faith in the church's tempore necessitatis just because it's politically expedient to do so.

They should be hung out to dry. Let them grovel to get back under the church's wing.

How does one set about getting excommunicated?

krudler · 06-05-2013 06:06PM

ottostreet wrote: »

How does one set about getting excommunicated?

kick a bishop up the arse

Sarky · 06-05-2013 06:10PM

Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »

I'd say excommunicate the lot of them.

Anyone who votes in favour of pro-abortion legislation (party whip or not) should be hung out to dry.

You can't have people who have had the benefit of a Catholic upbringing, a Catholic education and a church that has been by their side through the most difficult of times; simply turn their back on their faith in the church's tempore necessitatis just because it's politically expedient to do so.

They should be hung out to dry. Let them grovel to get back under the church's wing.

Ahem. If I may:

Baaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa.

murraykil · 06-05-2013 06:23PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

^^This is the type of populist nonsense that gains much traction despite it being an outright afront to democratic values.

As much as some like to think they can silence a person or organisation becasue they don't pass some sort of fitness-to-speak test, we can not.

A healthy democracy needs a strong, inclusive civil society. Once you start trying to legitimise the exclusion of people, clubs, organisations, parties, etc from debate then you're chipping away at democracy itself.

I doubt that anyone, except some extremists, want members of Catholic Church to have no voice, they are after all equal members of our society.

I think it's the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic church, the hierarchy who place their own, personal self-interest ahead of their congregation., that should not have a voice.

Until 2006 prisoners were not able to vote; I would be in favour of denying a vote and a voice to prisoners who commit violence crimes such as child abuse, and e.g. an Arch Bishop who protected a child abuser and did nothing to prevent that child abuser continuing to abuse.

Brady should be in jail and silent. The church even has a facility for this where he could join a silent monastery and seek to repent for his sins.

But no, fuk that, Brady is climbing a ladder made of broken children.

murraykil · 06-05-2013 06:31PM

Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »

I'd say excommunicate the lot of them.

Anyone who votes in favour of pro-abortion legislation (party whip or not) should be hung out to dry.

You can't have people who have had the benefit of a Catholic upbringing, a Catholic education and a church that has been by their side through the most difficult of times; simply turn their back on their faith in the church's tempore necessitatis just because it's politically expedient to do so.

They should be hung out to dry. Let them grovel to get back under the church's wing.

For so many, for so long, it's the Roman Catholic church who were the cause of their "most difficult of times".

I firmly believe that all these loyal Catholics who still respect, listen to, and love the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic church would stomp all over each other if they were tested at the pearly gates by being told there was room for only one more.

Those that still respect, listen to, and love the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic church only care about self-preservation and their own salvation. Fuk whoever get trampled on on or who gets hurts along the way.

It disgusts me that such people call themselves Christian. :mad:

Sarky · 06-05-2013 06:36PM

murraykil wrote: »

I firmly believe that all these loyal Catholics who still respect, listen to, and love the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic church would stomp all over each other if they were tested at the pearly gates by being told there was room for only one more.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall for that one. I bet it'd be vicious.

old hippy · 06-05-2013 06:45PM

Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »

I'd say excommunicate the lot of them.

Anyone who votes in favour of pro-abortion legislation (party whip or not) should be hung out to dry.

You can't have people who have had the benefit of a Catholic upbringing, a Catholic education and a church that has been by their side through the most difficult of times; simply turn their back on their faith in the church's tempore necessitatis just because it's politically expedient to do so.

They should be hung out to dry. Let them grovel to get back under the church's wing.

So, people should stick to the RCCs teachings and not question anything?

They must agree with everything that organisations spews out and if they dare go against it - they're "hung out to dry"?

What an ugly, cruel thing organised religion is.

handlemaster · 06-05-2013 06:47PM

greenpilot wrote: »

Just heard this on RTE. Is this the last gasp of a dying church?

I dont think they will go hungry

Ecce_Agnus_Dei · 06-05-2013 06:53PM

krudler wrote: »

kick a bishop up the arse

If you kicked the Bishop of Rome, you'd be latae sententiae excommunicated.

Unless the excusing circumstances outlined in canons 1321-1330 exist, the Code of Canon Law imposes latae sententiae excommunication on the following:

an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic;
a person who throws away the consecrated Eucharistic species or takes and retains them for a sacrilegious purpose;
a person who uses physical force against the Pope;
a priest who uses confession as a pretext to solicit the penitent to break the commandment against adultery;
a bishop who ordains someone a bishop without a papal mandate, and the person who receives the ordination from him;
a confessor who directly violates the sacramental seal of confession;
a person who procures a completed abortion;
accomplices without whose assistance a violation of a law prescribing latae sententiae excommunication would not have been committed.

Legislation outside of the Code of Canon Law may also decree latae sententiae excommunication. An example is that governing papal elections, which applies it to persons who violate secrecy, or who interfere with the election by means such as simony or communicating the veto of a civil authority.
The ipso facto excommunication that applied before 1983 to Catholics who became members of Masonic associations was not maintained in the revised Code of Canon Law that came into force in that year. However, the Holy See has declared that membership remains forbidden and that "the faithful who enrol in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion".

Anyway, I'm sure all you hip and cool with-it dudes and dudesses have lots of original thinking under your belts that the church hasn't addressed.

Grayson · 06-05-2013 06:55PM

Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »

I'd say excommunicate the lot of them.

Anyone who votes in favour of pro-abortion legislation (party whip or not) should be hung out to dry.

You can't have people who have had the benefit of a Catholic upbringing, a Catholic education and a church that has been by their side through the most difficult of times; simply turn their back on their faith in the church's tempore necessitatis just because it's politically expedient to do so.

They should be hung out to dry. Let them grovel to get back under the church's wing.

Not going to happen. Considering the catholic church won't actually let anyone leave. You could take a crap on the doorstep of a cathederal whilst wearing a devil suit and they still wouldn't take you off the roster.

Ecce_Agnus_Dei · 06-05-2013 06:56PM

I won't repeat the libel by quoting the offending post. But if any of you cool and with-it dudes/dudesses have information that the DPP don't have, I'd go straight to your local garda station without delay.

Until then, put up or shut up.

krudler · 06-05-2013 06:57PM

Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »

Anyway, I'm sure all you hip and cool with-it dudes and dudesses have lots of original thinking under your belts that the church hasn't addressed.

Ah you're one of those people who think anyone who's an atheist or against religion is just doing it to be cool, gotcha.

Ecce_Agnus_Dei · 06-05-2013 06:59PM

krudler wrote: »

Ah you're one of those people who think anyone who's an atheist or against religion is just doing it to be cool, gotcha.

Roller-blading was cool in the 1990s. Atheism was cool since Dawkins wrote an airport best-seller.

Give atheism, oh, a hundred years or so. Then we can go about no longer describing it as an empty fad built on sand.

Grayson · 06-05-2013 07:00PM

Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »

I won't repeat the libel by quoting the offending post. But if any of you cool and with-it dudes/dudesses have information that the DPP don't have, I'd go straight to your local garda station without delay.

Until then, put up or shut up.

Could you at least reference it so we have some idea what you're talking about.

"I won't say who said what, but they should be ashamed with themselves" :rolleyes:

1ZRed · 06-05-2013 07:00PM

Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »

If you kicked the Bishop of Rome, you'd be latae sententiae excommunicated.

Unless the excusing circumstances outlined in canons 1321-1330 exist, the Code of Canon Law imposes latae sententiae excommunication on the following:
an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic;

a person who throws away the consecrated Eucharistic species or takes and retains them for a sacrilegious purpose;

a person who uses physical force against the Pope;

a priest who uses confession as a pretext to solicit the penitent to break the commandment against adultery;

a bishop who ordains someone a bishop without a papal mandate, and the person who receives the ordination from him;

a confessor who directly violates the sacramental seal of confession;

a person who procures a completed abortion;

accomplices without whose assistance a violation of a law prescribing latae sententiae excommunication would not have been committed.

Legislation outside of the Code of Canon Law may also decree latae sententiae excommunication. An example is that governing papal elections, which applies it to persons who violate secrecy, or who interfere with the election by means such as simony or communicating the veto of a civil authority.
The ipso facto excommunication that applied before 1983 to Catholics who became members of Masonic associations was not maintained in the revised Code of Canon Law that came into force in that year. However, the Holy See has declared that membership remains forbidden and that "the faithful who enrol in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion".

Anyway, I'm sure all you hip and cool with-it dudes and dudesses have lots of original thinking under your belts that the church hasn't addressed.

I fail to see whats so special about the pope. If I kicked anyone up the arse I'd expect to be treated the same, what's the exception of some old man in a gown?

Grayson · 06-05-2013 07:01PM

Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »

Roller-blading was cool in the 1990s. Atheism was cool since Dawkins wrote an airport best-seller.

Give atheism, oh, a hundred years or so. Then we can go about no longer describing it as an empty fad built on sand.

Socrates was an athiest. It's not going away.

Ecce_Agnus_Dei · 06-05-2013 07:02PM

krudler wrote: »

such as?

Funerals, baptisms, confirmations, holy communions, community support, etc.

krudler wrote: »

the church really aren't ones for preaching morality, as morally repugnant as they are.

Oh you're one of those! Next time you need to visit a hospital, you should thank God for the catholic church. And when you're crying like a baby for a priest on your death bed.

1ZRed · 06-05-2013 07:02PM

Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »

Roller-blading was cool in the 1990s. Atheism was cool since Dawkins wrote an airport best-seller.

Give atheism, oh, a hundred years or so. Then we can go about no longer describing it as an empty fad built on sand.

But a 2000 year old book written about a Jewish super hero with magic powers will still be seen as 100% legit in a hundred years?

Riiiiiiiiight.....

Grayson · 06-05-2013 07:04PM

Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »

Funerals, baptisms, confirmations, holy communions, community support, etc.

Oh you're one of those! Next time you need to visit a hospital, you should thank God for the catholic church. And when you're crying like a baby for a priest on your death bed.

Unless your pregnant and your name is Savita

Ecce_Agnus_Dei · 06-05-2013 07:04PM

Grayson wrote: »

Socrates was an athiest. It's not going away.

Ancient Greece, unlike the Catholic Church, hasn't survived the test of time now, has it?

Why don't you atheists feck off to Greece where you can wallow in your nihilism to your hearts' content?

1ZRed · 06-05-2013 07:04PM

Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »

Funerals, baptisms, confirmations, holy communions, community support, etc.

Oh you're one of those! Next time you need to visit a hospital, you should thank God for the catholic church. And when you're crying like a baby for a priest on your death bed.

I'd sooner be crying for medicine from a doctor than a priest for a prayer tbh

Ecce_Agnus_Dei · 06-05-2013 07:05PM

1ZRed wrote: »

But a 2000 year old book written about a Jewish super hero with magic powers will still be seen as 100% legit in a hundred years?

Riiiiiiiiight.....

The church has been through bigger challenges in her 2000 year history.

You do know about history, don't you? (assuming you get the chance to get away from porn, social media and cat videos on the internet)

Ecce_Agnus_Dei · 06-05-2013 07:06PM

1ZRed wrote: »

I'd sooner be crying for medicine from a doctor than a priest for a prayer tbh

And with that you've just demonstrated an ignorance that knows no bounds.

Doctors and priests serve very distinct roles.

awec · 06-05-2013 07:07PM

Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »

The church has been through bigger challenges in her 2000 year history.

You do know about history, don't you? (assuming you get the chance to get away from porn, social media and cat videos on the internet)

So you view this child abuse revelations as a "challenge" ?

Well, that kind of sums the problem up. Disgusting.

Your concern here is how can the church get over this, as opposed to the people whos lives were destroyed by the church. Sad and vile.

handlemaster · 06-05-2013 07:08PM

Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »

I'd say excommunicate the lot of them.

Anyone who votes in favour of pro-abortion legislation (party whip or not) should be hung out to dry.

You can't have people who have had the benefit of a Catholic upbringing, a Catholic education and a church that has been by their side through the most difficult of times; simply turn their back on their faith in the church's tempore necessitatis just because it's politically expedient to do so.

They should be hung out to dry. Let them grovel to get back under the church's wing.

This is funny but I guess the poster is serious. Its tragic that we still have people in a religion whos very teaching is forgiveness and understanding coming out with this BS. The church should first apologise in a meaning full way and acknowledge the terrible abuse and horrers it inflicted upon the irish people. Also pay up the monies owed to the abuse victims that was aggreed upon to the state.

The church can lecture and dictate no more; the people know what they are a group of people interested only in power and money.

Ecce_Agnus_Dei · 06-05-2013 07:08PM

awec wrote: »

So you view this child abuse revelations as a "challenge" ?

Well, that kind of sums the problem up. Disgusting.

Sigh.

*pats awec the little boy on the head

1ZRed · 06-05-2013 07:09PM

Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »

The church has been through bigger challenges in her 2000 year history.

You do know about history, don't you? (assuming you get the chance to get away from porn, social media and cat videos on the internet)

I know that education is destroying religion because now we don't actually believe in magic and superstition to fill the gaps. There's no coincidence there and you can look to Africa to see how religion is rising fast because of a lack of education which makes people ripe for exploitation by the church.

I fail to see what good religion is doing these days. It's just trying to repress everyone to gain more power and money and failing as the years go by.

Cody Pomeray · 06-05-2013 07:09PM

Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »

I won't repeat the libel by quoting the offending post. But if any of you cool and with-it dudes/dudesses have information that the DPP don't have, I'd go straight to your local garda station without delay.

Until then, put up or shut up.

Grayson wrote: »

Could you at least reference it so we have some idea what you're talking about.

"I won't say who said what, but they should be ashamed with themselves" :rolleyes:

One poster has been insisting that Seán Brady "facilitated" child abuse.

There was an exchange a while back where I was arguing he was negligent in his duty, but that's not the same as going out and positively facilitating child abuse, which implies a substantial corroboration or teamwork in grooming children. The latter probably is libelous in fairness...

awec · 06-05-2013 07:10PM

Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »

Sigh.

*pats awec the little boy on the head

What? Is that all you have to offer here?

Your concern here is the church and how it overcomes this challenge. That is disgusting.

Sarky · 06-05-2013 07:11PM

Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »

a person who throws away the consecrated Eucharistic species or takes and retains them for a sacrilegious purpose;

So just sit through one of those half-hour masses to get a eucharist and then solemnly insert it into a pile of dog sh*t. If you're feeling lazy, you might be able to get a eucharistic minister to go to the mass for you.

Anyway, I'm sure all you hip and cool with-it dudes and dudesses have lots of original thinking under your belts that the church hasn't addressed.

That was powerfully un-cool. But yes, there's a whole world that your church hasn't been paying attention to. So much wonderful knowledge, customs, subcultures, arts and discovery, you probably couldn't imagine half of it.

I'll be having me some of that please instead of your dry, lifeless dogma, thanks.

td's wont be allowed to take communion if they vote for abortion.

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