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Garda Reserve Force - (See Moderator note in first post #1)

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    #2252
    DustyMan
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    carzony wrote: »
    Didnt the reserves only begin duties in 2006 and this article was from 2007, So 7,358 people applied for the reserves in the first year? seems very high number to me :eek: That really is an unbelievable amount of people wanting to join,

    True, it's stranger than fiction! Also going by this article it seems it's harder to get into the reserves than the full-time force!!


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    msg11
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    I'm more looking at the 'A total 1,120 people were accepted as trainee Gardaí out of 9,100 applications last year. '

    So 9,100 people applied back in 2007. The figure will be around 90,100 when the next one comes around!


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    #2254
    carzony
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    msg11 wrote: »
    I'm more looking at the 'A total 1,120 people were accepted as trainee Gardaí out of 9,100 applications last year. '

    So 9,100 people applied back in 2007. The figure will be around 90,100 when the next one comes around!

    90,100? there really will be lots of dissapointed people:pac: .


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    #2255
    King Ludvig
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    msg11 wrote: »
    I'm more looking at the 'A total 1,120 people were accepted as trainee Gardaí out of 9,100 applications last year. '

    So 9,100 people applied back in 2007. The figure will be around 90,100 when the next one comes around!

    Yeah that was the most surprising for me too. Back in 2007 unemployment was at 4.5% compared to todays 14%. That's approximately 500,000 more people unemployed now than there was in 2007. Even if only one in twenty of them met the entry requirements and applied thats still 25,000 people.

    Add that to the people who are currently in employment who will also apply and all in a competition for a lot less places than was available in 2007.


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    #2256
    Raider190
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    There is no doubt that at some stage there will be a recruitment drive but the numbers required will be in the region of 100- 150 and boy will there be a lot of competition. With almost 1300 garda reserves with a number of years of real front line policing in some of the busiest stations in the country. Taking a figure of 75% of that 1300 who fall within the 18 to 35 years age bracket the number of places in Templemore reduce greatly and then we have those who have third level qualifications , and add in the government quota for foreign nationals it will no doubt be a very tough competition for those who apply.


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    #2257
    carzony
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    Raider190 wrote: »
    There is no doubt that at some stage there will be a recruitment drive but the numbers required will be in the region of 100- 150 and boy will there be a lot of competition. With almost 1300 garda reserves with a number of years of real front line policing in some of the busiest stations in the country. Taking a figure of 75% of that 1300 who fall within the 18 to 35 years age bracket the number of places in Templemore reduce greatly and then we have those who have third level qualifications , and add in the government quota for foreign nationals it will no doubt be a very tough competition for those who apply.

    Not forgetting a lot of gardai whos sons and daughters would like to join the force, I won't get my hopes up for getting recruited anytime soon :(


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    Raider190
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    Well there is no doubt that a number of currently serving gardai will be pushing their children towards the job. It will be very very tough for those who dont have a relative in the job and have no policing experience. If a reserve has committed his or her free time to gaining the experience then there is no doubt that this will put them ahead of the posse when it come to applying


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    #2259
    msg11
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    Raider190 wrote: »
    Well there is no doubt that a number of currently serving gardai will be pushing their children towards the job. It will be very very tough for those who dont have a relative in the job and have no policing experience. If a reserve has committed his or her free time to gaining the experience then there is no doubt that this will put them ahead of the posse when it come to applying

    As a reserve, I am even doubtful I will get it. I'll apply for this one and use it as a learning curve for the next one if unsuccessful. To be honest, I won't be upset if I don't get it this time. Still part of a great organization as a reserve and I am proud to put my name to that!

    Still it will be interesting to see what the reserve numbers will be at after the next intake into Templemore .


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    #2260
    Raider190
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    There are a huge number of reserves who complete in excess of 500 to 800 hours of service per year and prove to be a huge asset to their respective units. All over the world, police forces make effective use of their reserve officers. The Metropolitian Special Constabulary has been in place for over 180 years and has a rank structure and the special officers have the same powers and duties as their full time colleagues. The Garda Reserve raison d’etre should never be lost. It supplements its regular colleagues and should be treated no differently from any other support arm of An Garda Siochana.It has a niche role, particularly a surge capacity and the policing of the night-time economy, and in these it is a beacon for uniformed volunteering.Reserves are people who, rather than sitting in front of their televisions, don a uniform and stab vest and spend their free time supporting law and order in an increasingly hostile and disrespectful society. Yet rather than be hailed as heroes they are at best unsung and at worst, dismissed.Im sure that many reserve members feel that they are treated in a number of various way ranging from valued essential to indifference, or worse, disdain. Most volunteer for camaraderie, excitement, as a preamble to becoming a regular member or to be useful but whatever the reason, they are doing something constructive and not just talking about it. In an ideal world greater recognition and the expanded use of reserves would be be a KPI and also a genuine, fundamental rethink of the organisation itself is required in order to maximise its potential. The Reserve was created in 2005/6 so it has a long way to go in comparasion with the UK model but it is very , very slowly moving in the right direction and perhaps within the near future will become what every single reserve member wants it to be , an effective and supportive accepted Garda Siochana resource which is there to support the regular force. We must all recognise that many of the current reserves are the full time garda officers of tomorrow and when they finally enter the Garda Training College they will be experienced , knowledgable , well rounded individuals who have realistic expectations of their future police careers and this cannot be considered a bad thing for both An Garda Siochana or the Irish public and State


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    3fullback
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    Raider190 wrote: »
    There are a huge number of reserves who complete in excess of 500 to 800 hours of service per year and prove to be a huge asset to their respective units. All over the world, police forces make effective use of their reserve officers. The Metropolitian Special Constabulary has been in place for over 180 years and has a rank structure and the special officers have the same powers and duties as their full time colleagues. The Garda Reserve raison d’etre should never be lost. It supplements its regular colleagues and should be treated no differently from any other support arm of An Garda Siochana.It has a niche role, particularly a surge capacity and the policing of the night-time economy, and in these it is a beacon for uniformed volunteering.Reserves are people who, rather than sitting in front of their televisions, don a uniform and stab vest and spend their free time supporting law and order in an increasingly hostile and disrespectful society. Yet rather than be hailed as heroes they are at best unsung and at worst, dismissed.Im sure that many reserve members feel that they are treated in a number of various way ranging from valued essential to indifference, or worse, disdain. Most volunteer for camaraderie, excitement, as a preamble to becoming a regular member or to be useful but whatever the reason, they are doing something constructive and not just talking about it. In an ideal world greater recognition and the expanded use of reserves would be be a KPI and also a genuine, fundamental rethink of the organisation itself is required in order to maximise its potential. The Reserve was created in 2005/6 so it has a long way to go in comparasion with the UK model but it is very , very slowly moving in the right direction and perhaps within the near future will become what every single reserve member wants it to be , an effective and supportive accepted Garda Siochana resource which is there to support the regular force. We must all recognise that many of the current reserves are the full time garda officers of tomorrow and when they finally enter the Garda Training College they will be experienced , knowledgable , well rounded individuals who have realistic expectations of their future police careers and this cannot be considered a bad thing for both An Garda Siochana or the Irish public and State

    Ah ya but there is some flutes of reserves only in it for a nose and cause more harm than good, it's babysitting for full timers. That's from my experience !

    I would get rid of the the whole set up and use savings to invest in fully fledged officers.


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    Tyron Jara
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    3fullback wrote: »
    Ah ya but there is some flutes of reserves only in it for a nose and cause more harm than good, it's babysitting for full timers. That's from my experience !

    I would get rid of the the whole set up and use savings to invest in fully fledged officers.

    Theres flutes in every job. Including some full timers! Also its not all peaches and roses for reserves either having to be attached to the waist of a full timer while they are out. I bet it can get on the nerves of both the reserve and fulltimer. However if they work well together then there's rarely a problem.


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    msg11
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    3fullback wrote: »
    Ah ya but there is some flutes of reserves only in it for a nose and cause more harm than good, it's babysitting for full timers. That's from my experience !

    I would get rid of the the whole set up and use savings to invest in fully fledged officers.

    Again the maths has been done on this. For 1000 reserves that work for 1000 P/A you could hire 50/60 full time members, thus still leaving some stations that really need the support of the reserve without it. Plus what if people go sick/leave/fired etc.. Your new 50/60 members are quickly back to where you started off !

    What is this babysitting non sense, fully grown adults are not baby's. It's built into the human brain it's called flight or fight you do one or the other. People have mouths also, if the full timer is not happy with something just say it and nip it in the bud. Personally I would rather someone say to me in any job, 'look do it this way' or 'you follow my lead' or 'you call a few shots' or 'don't do anything just watch' etc..


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    #2264
    DustyMan
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    msg11 wrote: »
    I'm more looking at the 'A total 1,120 people were accepted as trainee Gardaí out of 9,100 applications last year. '

    So 9,100 people applied back in 2007. The figure will be around 90,100 when the next one comes around!

    If one takes a look at the thread 'Garda Recruitment - Applying to join An Garda Siochana' the current total of 'views' of this thread stands at over 460,000. Ok some of those 'views' would be returning thread 'watchers' et cetera. But considering the amount of applicants for the last recruitment drive, the current economic situation, high unemployment et cetera. It's conceivable that there could be in the region of at least 100,000 applicants for the possible 100-150 places on offer for the next recruitment drive. Could this happen? possibly.
    Hope I'm wrong but to quote a friend it would be 'funny if it wasn't true"!......:eek:


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    Raider190
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    3fullback wrote: »
    Ah ya but there is some flutes of reserves only in it for a nose and cause more harm than good, it's babysitting for full timers. That's from my experience !

    I would get rid of the the whole set up and use savings to invest in fully fledged officers.

    You are entitled to your opinion but the reserve is providing valuable assistance to its full time colleagues. The baby sitting comment is one that has been rolled out many times but those who actually serve in the reserve have come to aid of our colleagues in situations where they put themselves in harms way and help to ensure that ordinary decent people can sleep soundly in their homes and go about their lifes unmolested. Remember reserves who are serving now are the gardai of the future and their service with the reserve will develope them into more committed and effective full time gardai. The Reserve is here to stay and will go through many evolutions before it reachs the perfect model but it is getting there and will continue to contribute and serve the Irish State and its citizens for a long time in the future.


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    Raider190
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    Tyron Jara wrote: »
    Theres flutes in every job. Including some full timers! Also its not all peaches and roses for reserves either having to be attached to the waist of a full timer while they are out. I bet it can get on the nerves of both the reserve and fulltimer. However if they work well together then there's rarely a problem.

    This is worth repeating 'Regulars and Reserves work together' . During my time with the Reserve I have been previlged to work with a lot of out standing regular members of An Garda Siochana. We all work with one goal in mind , to do the job well. How many of us can say that instead of just talking we actually do something to help our country. Old fashion as it may seem to mention words like patroism sense of duty and pride in ones country, it is these attributes which motivate reserves to do what they do. It is the same attributes which drive regular gardai and they are to be praised for doing their duty. There is no them and us when it comes to reserve and full time gardai. We have one common foe and that is those individuals who think they can ignore the law and wreck havoc on our society and get away with it. The aim is simple ,to make our country a better and safe place to live.


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    Pappa Charlie
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    When recruitment starts there will be an aptitude test to start with, this will have to be passed, if you are a reserve or a child of a member as some are implying and you fail it then you don't get through, it's like any state exam, if you get through then you face an interview which weeds out many more applicants, then the medical weeds out more again, then you are placed on a panel, if you are a reserve and cannot get through the aptitude test then you will not make it to interview, if you do, then you will have an advantage, many people do not have the time to commit to the reserve but would commit to a full time role. They should not be discriminated against as maybe they are currently in full time jobs and trying to keep food on the table, I know many in that situation that would make fine gardai and bring great skills with them, there is limited experience to be gained from the reserve, a full time role is a different ball game!


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    Tyron Jara
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    Pappa Charlie wrote: »
    When recruitment starts there will be an aptitude test to start with, this will have to be passed, if you are a reserve or a child of a member as some are implying and you fail it then you don't get through, it's like any state exam, if you get through then you face an interview which weeds out many more applicants, then the medical weeds out more again, then you are placed on a panel, if you are a reserve and cannot get through the aptitude test then you will not make it to interview, if you do, then you will have an advantage, many people do not have the time to commit to the reserve but would commit to a full time role. They should not be discriminated against as maybe they are currently in full time jobs and trying to keep food on the table, I know many in that situation that would make fine gardai and bring great skills with them, there is limited experience to be gained from the reserve, a full time role is a different ball game!
    I really feel the should split it 50/50. Half places for reserves and half places from everyone else and if the quota of one half inst reached then give it to the other. This argument of dont have time does not fly with me. People make time for the pub somehow (Not saying this about you) but its 17 hours a month which could be 4 to 5 hours a week of someones time in the reserve. But since that isnt the way I feel half and half should be the way.

    Although the government needs to thread carefully on the first recruitment. 90% of reserves want to go full time and if they see general public getting and a low percentage of reserve gardai its not going to look good.


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    #2269
    TylerIE
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    Pappa Charlie wrote: »
    When recruitment starts there will be an aptitude test to start with, this will have to be passed, if you are a reserve or a child of a member as some are implying and you fail it then you don't get through, it's like any state exam, if you get through then you face an interview which weeds out many more applicants, then the medical weeds out more again, then you are placed on a panel, if you are a reserve and cannot get through the aptitude test then you will not make it to interview, if you do, then you will have an advantage, many people do not have the time to commit to the reserve but would commit to a full time role. They should not be discriminated against as maybe they are currently in full time jobs and trying to keep food on the table, I know many in that situation that would make fine gardai and bring great skills with them, there is limited experience to be gained from the reserve, a full time role is a different ball game!

    That limited experience from the reserve is the closest thing any applicant can get to real policing.

    If one is that passionate about becoming a Garda they should make the time to become a GR. I know many who juggle family, full time work (including shift work) and farming and other community positions and still manage to be GRs. If one can't manage to get down to Templemore for a few weeks / weekends for GR training I don't know how they expect to spend up to six months away from home for student training.

    As others have said people still have time to socialise etc, and If they can't sacrifice a few weeks of same for Initial training and a subsequent two evenings a month then they obviously ain't too bothered.

    There has been a significant dropout rate among recruits and even among qualified members who didn't realise what the job actually entailed. Other services - like the Met - are beginning to recognise that even the limited role PCSOs and Specials have is an excellent intro to the office of constable, and are only recruiting from their ranks. Other services in the UK have fast tracked PCSOs for some time.


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    Raider190
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    TylerIE wrote: »
    That limited experience from the reserve is the closest thing any applicant can get to real policing.

    If one is that passionate about becoming a Garda they should make the time to become a GR. I know many who juggle family, full time work (including shift work) and farming and other community positions and still manage to be GRs. If one can't manage to get down to Templemore for a few weeks / weekends for GR training I don't know how they expect to spend up to six months away from home for student training.

    As others have said people still have time to socialise etc, and If they can't sacrifice a few weeks of same for Initial training and a subsequent two evenings a month then they obviously ain't too bothered.

    There has been a significant dropout rate among recruits and even among qualified members who didn't realise what the job actually entailed. Other services - like the Met - are beginning to recognise that even the limited role PCSOs and Specials have is an excellent intro to the office of constable, and are only recruiting from their ranks. Other services in the UK have fast tracked PCSOs for some time.

    Totally agree , if you have a genuine interest you would find the time. I am sure a lot of people spend 208 hours or more just watching TV. Its a simple matter of deciding which is more fulfilling. The sense of pride of working with excellent people and doing a job which can make a real difference is a wonderful experience. Every time I put on the uniform I feel proud to be part of an organisation which stands for all that is good in Irish Society.


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    #2271
    bluetop
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    Raider190 wrote: »
    This is worth repeating 'Regulars and Reserves work together' .

    There is no them and us when it comes to reserve and full time gardai. We have one common foe and that is those individuals who think they can ignore the law and wreck havoc on our society and get away with it. The aim is simple ,to make our country a better and safe place to live.

    I dont know what station you are at must be a great station, from the people i have spoke to its anything but togetherness, not all stations are like your one maybe asking around with other reserves that work outside your area might give you a better incling of what they have to put up with, there is no point making a blanket statement like you did above without knowing all the facts.

    Many reserves are left in the stations time after time, or stuck in the control room, or in the car just to get them out of the way as the skipper dont know what to do with them, some come in for a full shift and are asked do you want to head away there its very quiet, there are loads of stories just the people involved are either not on here or just dont bother posting, so i suggest not to pait everyone with the same brush you are painted with.

    There is no uniformity between GR everyone seems to be doing different things, it should be the same across the board in all divisions, that is the whole problem nobody will take accountability for the reserves so they are left to their own devices, there is nobody willing to give guidance some reserves i know have never even met their liaison inspector, never had a meeting and some that have met theirs well just lets say they would have been better off not.

    There is no two divisions the same for reserves some are treated better then others, some can do things that other reserves in other districts cant this needs to be addressed so everyone knows this is the front page this is what we work off, not this is your page but the other division works off this one here, look at the roll out of the public order powers a joke 7 months on and still no further on, it will be the same in 2014, reserves will never be accepted in Ireland why because the integration was not done correctly, when FT are doing CPD reserves should also be doing them with them, the people that set this up have not got a clue and now the reserves are just left to fend for themselves.


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    Raider190
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    Pappa Charlie wrote: »
    When recruitment starts there will be an aptitude test to start with, this will have to be passed, if you are a reserve or a child of a member as some are implying and you fail it then you don't get through, it's like any state exam, if you get through then you face an interview which weeds out many more applicants, then the medical weeds out more again, then you are placed on a panel, if you are a reserve and cannot get through the aptitude test then you will not make it to interview, if you do, then you will have an advantage, many people do not have the time to commit to the reserve but would commit to a full time role. They should not be discriminated against as maybe they are currently in full time jobs and trying to keep food on the table, I know many in that situation that would make fine gardai and bring great skills with them, there is limited experience to be gained from the reserve, a full time role is a different ball game!

    The Commissioner does have certain powers in regard to recruiting such as specialists or experts in certain fields outside of the normal channels. At the end of the day Garda Reserves are committing their free time and bearing a lot of expense to serve their country and community. This can only be viewed as a distinct advantage by any interview board. In regard to experience ,Some experience is better than No experience and what will be under consideration is, has the applicant sought to increase his chances of been selected for a full time position in An Garda Siochana by endevouring to gain the required experience and skills which will select him or her as a person on whom the state will feel content to invest more training funds.


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    Raider190
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    Originally Posted by bluetopviewpost.gif
    I dont know what station you are at must be a great station, from the people i have spoke to its anything but togetherness, not all stations are like your one maybe asking around with other reserves that work outside your area might give you a better incling of what they have to put up with, there is no point making a blanket statement like you did above without knowing all the facts.
    Have spoken to a number of GR's outside Dublin and yes each station is different and each GR has some good and bad experience. I can only speak from my own experience. I am sure just like myself we have all had our own teething problems but we have got to work through them and get on with the job.
    Many reserves are left in the stations time after time, or stuck in the control room, or in the car just to get them out of the way as the skipper dont know what to do with them, some come in for a full shift and are asked do you want to head away there its very quiet, there are loads of stories just the people involved are either not on here or just dont bother posting, so i suggest not to pait everyone with the same brush you are painted with.
    I have heard all the same stories but at the end of the day GRs are responsible adults who have a voice.If they are not happy they must speak up , either to their Sgt or their Inspector. When I first started my Sgt had no clue as to what our function was. I printed off a copy of the Reserve Operation Manual and gave it to him so that he knew in what respect I could be useful and duties I could be assigned. I then set about doing those duties the best I could and eventually I was entrusted to other duties. It is no different for a probationary garda when they join a unit.
    There is no uniformity between GR everyone seems to be doing different things, it should be the same across the board in all divisions, that is the whole problem nobody will take accountability for the reserves so they are left to their own devices, there is nobody willing to give guidance some reserves i know have never even met their liaison inspector, never had a meeting and some that have met theirs well just lets say they would have been better off not.
    Do agree with you in regard to uniformity. A review of the structure should be undertaken. The Reserve Management Office is not hands on and a certain amount of proactive action has to be taken.

    There is no two divisions the same for reserves some are treated better then others, some can do things that other reserves in other districts cant this needs to be addressed so everyone knows this is the front page this is what we work off, not this is your page but the other division works off this one here, look at the roll out of the public order powers a joke 7 months on and still no further on, it will be the same in 2014, reserves will never be accepted in Ireland why because the integration was not done correctly, when FT are doing CPD reserves should also be doing them with them, the people that set this up have not got a clue and now the reserves are just left to fend for themselves.

    This may be the case but if you are attending for duty on an irregular basis how will your unit and Sgt get to know what your strenghts and weakness's are and therefore be able to trust you to complete whatever tasks are assigned to you. It has been frustrating not to have the additional powers as yet but this may be due to the fact that some GRs have not completed their upskilling course or it may be due to the political climate at the moment. In regard to CPD training I have attended courses with my regular colleagues and I know a number of other GRs have also done so. If it is a case we have been left to fend for ourselves then we should do so. Ask to be included in duties , dont stand by when you attend parade speak up, send requests by email to both your Sgt and Cig to be be considered for courses. The GR will only get better if we all make a contribution in order to make it better. Remember if some have a problem with the Reserve then it is their problem and not our problem. If they have the strenght of their convictions let them voice their opinions to the local Sgt , Cig ,Supt , Chf Supt , AC , DC or the Commissioner himself.
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    Pappa Charlie
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    Raider190 wrote: »
    The Commissioner does have certain powers in regard to recruiting such as specialists or experts in certain fields outside of the normal channels. At the end of the day Garda Reserves are committing their free time and bearing a lot of expense to serve their country and community. This can only be viewed as a distinct advantage by any interview board. In regard to experience ,Some experience is better than No experience and what will be under consideration is, has the applicant sought to increase his chances of been selected for a full time position in An Garda Siochana by endevouring to gain the required experience and skills which will select him or her as a person on whom the state will feel content to invest more training funds.

    I know many reserves who would not be recommended for full time by training staff, like the full time members sometimes you get square pegs for round holes! I know many who will be highly recommended also but I disagree that you should not have to pass the aptitude test first, and some people genuinely do not have the time to give to the reserve!


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    TylerIE
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    Pappa Charlie wrote: »
    I know many reserves who would not be recommended for full time by training staff, like the full time members sometimes you get square pegs for round holes! I know many who will be highly recommended also but I disagree that you should not have to pass the aptitude test first, and some people genuinely do not have the time to give to the reserve!

    Then how do those people propose to spend 6 months in Templemore, plus weeks in Ballygobackwards as a student and then 2 years probation at least 50km (likely longer) from their current home.

    Reserves should of course have the aptitude test etc, but certainly should be given a significant preference over those who made no real effort or who relied on "my grandad was a guard".


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    Pappa Charlie
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    TylerIE wrote: »
    Then how do those people propose to spend 6 months in Templemore, plus weeks in Ballygobackwards as a student and then 2 years probation at least 50km (likely longer) from their current home.

    Reserves should of course have the aptitude test etc, but certainly should be given a significant preference over those who made no real effort or who relied on "my grandad was a guard".

    Because its a career they are going into not a part time role!!!! Big big difference to most people!


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    TylerIE
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    Pappa Charlie wrote: »
    Because its a career they are going into not a part time role!!!! Big big difference to most people!

    Exactly - when they are getting enough from it they can make the time!

    Whereas GRs are making the effort without any reward or guaranteed career, showing they have true dedication and interest in the role and career possibilities - not "I can't fit it in with my busy lifestyle, I'll wait until I'm guaranteed a job and pension".


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    #2278
    Pappa Charlie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 853 ✭✭✭Pappa Charlie


    TylerIE wrote: »
    Exactly - when they are getting enough from it they can make the time!

    Whereas GRs are making the effort without any reward or guaranteed career, showing they have true dedication and interest in the role and career possibilities - not "I can't fit it in with my busy lifestyle, I'll wait until I'm guaranteed a job and pension".

    I completely disagree! Anyway if your good enough why so defensive


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    bluetop
    Registered Users Posts: 383 ✭✭bluetop


    Pappa Charlie wrote: »
    Because its a career they are going into not a part time role!!!! Big big difference to most people!

    So people are going to leave a secure job to take up a job they know nothing about, do the training and then when they are fully trained up and on the street discover that is not the job for them, yep that is a great move alright, other side of the coin they are not working and still have not joined the reserves they cannot commit to 4 hrs a week, no matter what job you are in you can afford 4 hrs a week, so that argument above holds no water really.

    @Raider190

    All GR need to be on the same page, not mary in Carlow can do xyz but tommy in kilkenny can do wxyz and paul in dublin can only do xy, this needs to be addresses across the board.


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    TylerIE
    Registered Users Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭TylerIE


    Pappa Charlie wrote: »
    I completely disagree! Anyway if your good enough why so defensive

    If I apply for FT I have absolutely no qualms about my abilities and references from members (who are of no relationship to me). Emphasise if! I've been a GR so know that it may not suit me for life as a career and will give it plenty more consideration before taking it up as a career.

    In general I think it's a waste to recruit from the wider public when there is a vetted pool waiting to go - who instead could be assessed on merits and performance, given another medical and fitness etc.


    It's also unfair for reserves to be just thrown into the general pot with those who may have great résumés and book smarts but have no aptitude for the role nor took the opportunities that were open to them to learn about it.

    So the pool becomes 20,000 people with degrees/masters/trade and/or unrelated work experience seeking secure for life pensionable role vs
    c1000 who have related experience and made some efforts....


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    #2281
    Pappa Charlie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 853 ✭✭✭Pappa Charlie


    bluetop wrote: »
    So people are going to leave a secure job to take up a job they know nothing about, do the training and then when they are fully trained up and on the street discover that is not the job for them, yep that is a great move alright, other side of the coin they are not working and still have not joined the reserves they cannot commit to 4 hrs a week, no matter what job you are in you can afford 4 hrs a week, so that argument above holds no water really.

    @Raider190

    All GR need to be on the same page, not mary in Carlow can do xyz but tommy in kilkenny can do wxyz and paul in dublin can only do xy, this needs to be addresses across the board.

    What do you think happened before the reserve??? This country has been served by fine officers who were not reserves and recuited directly from the public, i actually find your comments insulting. What about all the people who have immigrated from this country who can't fly back from oz to work 4 hrs a week? Do you not think that they might gain some life skills that may be of value to them as a member of an garda siochana. Most people are well aware of what the job entails and there is a drop out rate in most jobs for various reasons and in my experience its quite low in an garda siochana compared to other jobs!


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