Welcome to conditioning

old hippy · 30-04-2013 12:27PM #1

Watching the whooping and hollering mob in Boston the other week - "USA!USA!USA!" After the initial disgust, I realised that that kind of behaviour, whilst repulsive, is hardly surprising.

Like North Korea, many in the US are conditioned to think of their country as superior, uber alles, if you like. Like NK, many Americans are totally isolated from the rest of the world and know little what happens outside of their country.

Like NK, these scenes of mass hysteria become less unfathomable when you probe the nature of growing up and being indoctrinated into life in the shadow of the flag. Whether it's pledging allegiance to said flag, or (in NK) polishing your pictures of the Kim dynasty - there's a strange kind of similarity between the two entities.

Both Governments play the propaganda machine and both believe themselves to be the centre of the universe.

Odd, that.

Hardonraging · 30-04-2013 12:30PM

Ever been to a county final OP ?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 30-04-2013 12:32PM

you're an idiot OP

donvito99 · 30-04-2013 12:32PM

Eh, the last 5 seconds of Amhrán na bhFiann?

old hippy · 30-04-2013 12:32PM

Hardonraging wrote: »

Ever been to a county final OP ?

Is that like Little League? I went to one of those when I was a kid.

bodice ripper · 30-04-2013 12:32PM

likening the US to North Korea is going to undermine any valid criticism you might have to make about the US.

bodice ripper · 30-04-2013 12:35PM

old hippy wrote: »

Watching the whooping and hollering mob in Boston the other week - "USA!USA!USA!" After the initial disgust, I realised that that kind of behaviour, whilst repulsive, is hardly surprising.

Like North Korea, many in the US are conditioned to think of their country as superior, uber alles, if you like. Like NK, many Americans are totally isolated from the rest of the world and know little what happens outside of their country.

Like NK, these scenes of mass hysteria become less unfathomable when you probe the nature of growing up and being indoctrinated into life in the shadow of the flag. Whether it's pledging allegiance to said flag, or (in NK) polishing your pictures of the Kim dynasty - there's a strange kind of similarity between the two entities.

Both Governments play the propaganda machine and both believe themselves to be the centre of the universe.

Odd, that.

Seems to me that by Old Hippy, you actually mean 14 year old who just discovered Rage Against the Machine.

EuskalHerria · 30-04-2013 12:36PM

Watch this OP (and others) it's a documentary on western culture made by the North Koreans.

http://youtu.be/R0mwCtzv9PM

Ignore the first 30 seconds and give it 5 minutes. It's actually funny enough to watch their perception of things and aspects of our society. The Oprah bit had me laughing.

Dravokivich · 30-04-2013 12:36PM

old hippy wrote: »

Both Governments play the propaganda machine and both believe themselves to be the centre of the universe.

Domestically they are. Both who's foreign policy seems to be intent on boosting their domestic sense of self value.

It's also not that surprising that the general public in the USA would appear to be isolated from the rest of the world. If they want to go abroad on a cheap budget it's Canada or Mexico. And neither of them would be cheap for the majority of them. Hell each state is practically run like a country. The coverage we get of what happens there barely scrapes the barrel.

They're ignorant? Or is everything else just a fúck less relevant to them?

Delirium · 30-04-2013 12:37PM

old hippy wrote: »

Watching the whooping and hollering mob in Boston the other week - "USA!USA!USA!" After the initial disgust, I realised that that kind of behaviour, whilst repulsive, is hardly surprising.

Like North Korea, many in the US are conditioned to think of their country as superior, uber alles, if you like. Like NK, many Americans are totally isolated from the rest of the world and know little what happens outside of their country.

Like NK, these scenes of mass hysteria become less unfathomable when you probe the nature of growing up and being indoctrinated into life in the shadow of the flag. Whether it's pledging allegiance to said flag, or (in NK) polishing your pictures of the Kim dynasty - there's a strange kind of similarity between the two entities.

Both Governments play the propaganda machine and both believe themselves to be the centre of the universe.

Odd, that.

better late than never to discover conditioning. It'll work wonders on your dreadlocks :P:pac:

TwoShedsJackson · 30-04-2013 12:41PM

donvito99 wrote: »

Eh, the last 5 seconds of Amhrán na bhFiann?

Shoving Connie around the green?

donvito99 · 30-04-2013 12:42PM

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Shoving Connie around the green?

She'll be calling around sixteen.

I think.

old hippy · 30-04-2013 12:47PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Domestically they are. Both who's foreign policy seems to be intent on boosting their domestic sense of self value.

It's also not that surprising that the general public in the USA would appear to be isolated from the rest of the world. If they want to go abroad on a cheap budget it's Canada or Mexico. And neither of them would be cheap for the majority of them. Hell each state is practically run like a country. The coverage we get of what happens there barely scrapes the barrel.

They're ignorant? Or is everything else just a fúck less relevant to them?

It's a question I ask myself all the time. I also find them very friendly, polite and confidant. It's when that confidence fuels the ignorance that I tend to worry.

Of course, the USA has and continues to produce great thinkers, politicians, artists etc. I couldn't imagine jazz coming from the DPRK. But then, I haven't visited the place. Which reminds me -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p005y2pj

Apologies to those outside the UK who can't use this link. It's Andy Kershaw in North Korea.

looking_around · 30-04-2013 12:53PM

EuskalHerria wrote: »

Watch this OP (and others) it's a documentary on western culture made by the North Koreans.

http://youtu.be/R0mwCtzv9PM

Ignore the first 30 seconds and give it 5 minutes. It's actually funny enough to watch their perception of things and aspects of our society. The Oprah bit had me laughing.

It has actually not been made by the N.Koreans & is therefore NOT their perception of our society
Was made in New Zealand, as a "mockumentary"

http://www.3news.co.nz/Mockumentary-sparks-Korean-spy-controversy/tabid/1771/articleID/293690/Default.aspx
http://www.thebigidea.co.nz/news/tbi-qna/128911-mockumentary-mop-up

Just felt that should be out there.

Crooked Jack · 30-04-2013 12:57PM

Me and old hippy rarely see eye to eye but he has a point here.

old hippy · 30-04-2013 12:58PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Me and old hippy rarely see eye to eye but he has a point here.

Noted, Jack. Noted

ballsymchugh · 30-04-2013 01:04PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Me and old hippy rarely see eye to eye but he has a point here.

no he doesn't.

people in the USA have the opportunity to protest, disagree and vote.
if you do that in DPRK, you're sent to 're-education' camps

old hippy · 30-04-2013 01:07PM

ballsymchugh wrote: »

no he doesn't.

people in the USA have the opportunity to protest, disagree and vote.
if you do that in DPRK, you're sent to 're-education' camps

I'm not denying that at all. I'm focussing on the similarities, rather. The nature of conditioning and all that it entails.

For instance, I'm sure there are many here who are conditioned to have an affinity with Americans, as opposed to North Koreans. Even though the latter probably suffer worse than the former. Our sympathies usually seem to lie with Americans.

ballsymchugh · 30-04-2013 01:09PM

old hippy wrote: »

I'm not denying that at all. I'm focussing on the similarities, rather. The nature of conditioning and all that it entails.

For instance, I'm sure there are many here who are conditioned to have an affinity with Americans, as opposed to North Koreans. Even though the latter probably suffer worse than the former. Our sympathies usually seem to lie with Americans.

you can extend conditioning to every country in the world then. everyone will shout for their home, except for self loathing west brits

old hippy · 30-04-2013 01:11PM

ballsymchugh wrote: »

you can extend conditioning to every country in the world then. everyone will shout for their home, except for self loathing west brits

Indeed we could. The conditioning that leads some to use the term "west brit", for example

I'm curious about the conditioning that goes on in DPKR & USA, mind.

conorhal · 30-04-2013 01:14PM

old hippy wrote: »

Watching the whooping and hollering mob in Boston the other week - "USA!USA!USA!" After the initial disgust, I realised that that kind of behaviour, whilst repulsive, is hardly surprising.

Like North Korea, many in the US are conditioned to think of their country as superior, uber alles, if you like. Like NK, many Americans are totally isolated from the rest of the world and know little what happens outside of their country.

Like NK, these scenes of mass hysteria become less unfathomable when you probe the nature of growing up and being indoctrinated into life in the shadow of the flag. Whether it's pledging allegiance to said flag, or (in NK) polishing your pictures of the Kim dynasty - there's a strange kind of similarity between the two entities.

Both Governments play the propaganda machine and both believe themselves to be the centre of the universe.

Odd, that.

Not really, celebrating the fact that a veil of threat and terror has been lifted from your streets with the apprehension of the perpetrators of a terrorist atrocity that murdered innocent children is a perfectly human and legit reaction as far as I'm concerned, as is proudly desplaying the fact that you remain unbowed by those that would try to subvert everything you believe in.

Only an idiot tries to draw a parallel with N. Korea's mandatory nationalism, it's you're knee jerk reactionary and repulsive attitude to such scenes that's actually disgusting, it says more about your pathetic insecurities then it does about them.

SEPT 23 1989 · 30-04-2013 01:14PM

Old Hippy = Neil from The Young Ones

EuskalHerria · 30-04-2013 01:15PM

looking_around wrote: »

It has actually not been made by the N.Koreans & is therefore NOT their perception of our society
Was made in New Zealand, as a "mockumentary"

http://www.3news.co.nz/Mockumentary-sparks-Korean-spy-controversy/tabid/1771/articleID/293690/Default.aspx
http://www.thebigidea.co.nz/news/tbi-qna/128911-mockumentary-mop-up

Just felt that should be out there.

I was happier in my ignorance. Death to the west!

Jimmy Macnulty · 30-04-2013 01:18PM

donvito99 wrote: »

She'll be calling around sixteen.

I think.

Chasing Connie around the field

crockholm · 30-04-2013 01:21PM

Yet if they were all chanting "Allahu Akbar" you'd be in here defending them and calling everyone racist.

WilyCoyote · 30-04-2013 01:21PM

Idiotic Old Bore.

ballsymchugh · 30-04-2013 01:23PM

old hippy wrote: »

Indeed we could. The conditioning that leads some to use the term "west brit", for example

I'm curious about the conditioning that goes on in DPKR & USA, mind.

basic conditioning in DPRK would centre on the Kim family. they believe that Kim Jong Il was born on a sacred mountain 'Mt Paekdu', where more likely he was born in a refugee camp in russia somewhere during japanese occupation.

have a look at DPRK propaganda posters, these are everywhere around pyongyang, especially the ones where they show the USA as agressors and an NK fist crushing american missiles or soldiers.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dprk+propaganda+posters&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=8LZ_UZSyJYKq0QW76YC4Ag&sqi=2&ved=0CDAQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=923

Paulzx · 30-04-2013 01:26PM

old hippy wrote: »

Like NK, many Americans are totally isolated from the rest of the world and know little what happens outside of their country.

Odd, that.

No, not like North Korea. If an American is ignorant of what is going on in the rest of the world it is through choice. He is free to gather as much or as little information as he wishes.

North Koreans are ignorant of what happens outside their country due to state controlled media and no access to free information.

America is by no means utopia and probabaly not somewhere i wish to live but to compare it to North Korea is completely off the wall

Playboy · 30-04-2013 01:27PM

We tend to forget that the United States in historical terms is a relatively young nation. In young nations nationalism and patriotism is always stronger as the society is still evolving and the connection to the founding myths or fathers is still close. When a young nation becomes an empire then the nation purposefully promotes itself internally and externally in order to justify its imperialistic actions to others. America (or Ancient Rome, the British) will always be crusading for what is right or good as politically it makes it easier when defending its self interests agressively. It has nothing to do with America or Americans but everything to do with the sociological development of an Empire nation. Whilst we may find the chants of USA, USA distasteful they are merely a product of historical circumstances that is repeated ad infinitum. I wouldnt personally get worked about it

ballsymchugh · 30-04-2013 01:27PM

Paulzx wrote: »

No, not like North Korea. If an American is ignorant of what is going on in the rest of the world it is through choice. He is free to gather as much or as little information as he wishes.

North Koreans are ignorant of what happens outside (and inside) their country due to state controlled media and no access to free information.

America is by no means utopia and probabaly not somewhere i wish to live but to compare it to North Korea is completely off the wall

fyp.

needing documents to travel from one end of your country to the other and passing through military checkpoints doesn't help in DPRK either

Temptamperu · 30-04-2013 01:28PM

EuskalHerria wrote: »

Watch this OP (and others) it's a documentary on western culture made by the North Koreans.

http://youtu.be/R0mwCtzv9PM

Ignore the first 30 seconds and give it 5 minutes. It's actually funny enough to watch their perception of things and aspects of our society. The Oprah bit had me laughing.

They arent exactly lying about any of america's activities, I have given it 15 minutes and what they are saying is true. Its funny, but its also true.

Welcome to conditioning

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