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how many in Ireland on dole?

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  • #32
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    Only the immigrants get that, with their tricks and tomfoolery, getting things Irish people can't get.

    Easy to spot an immigrant,they're the one's with the pram.


  • #33
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    starviewadams wrote: »
    Know 7 or 8 people on the dole personally.Live register for March 2013 was 422,088 and 83,421 on CE schemes/JobBridge/TUS/Fas courses etc.
    http://trueeconomics.blogspot.ie/2013/04/542013-live-register-march-2013.html
    When you add in Back to Education, Disability recipients, Farmers Dole and State Pensions, there's a hell of a lot of money being paid out every year. No wonder we're in the bother we are.


  • #34
    doolox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭doolox


    ....in terms of uncertainty and inability of the ordinary person to plan and obtain opportunities to earn money in a predictable and stable fashion in order to arrange their lives in a sane and sustainable way.

    People in jobs feel agrieved by the high level of taxation on their decreasing earnings and the uncertainty of their future job security makes forward planning impossible.

    People not in jobs feel angry because of perceived unfairness of some people having "a great time" while they have nothing.

    Nobody is happy with the present situation.

    The only thing that solved this the last time was WW2 and a complete rearrangement and restructuring of the world economic order brought about by fear.

    We need a similar complete restructuring of the world economic order in order to move forward in a sane, predictable and structured way.

    Lets hope the powers that be don't use a world war to bring about the necessary changes and social upheaval needed to break out of the present mess.


  • #35
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    kneemos wrote: »
    Easy to spot an immigrant,they're the one's with the pram.

    Full of our money :mad:


  • #36
    Chucken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    Yakult wrote: »
    As important, how many outside of Ireland are claiming it?


    How do you think that would be done, considering the payment has to be collected in person every week.


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  • #37
    godwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭godwin


    Chucken wrote: »
    How do you think that would be done, considering the payment has to be collected in person every week.

    They fly into ireland undetected on swans , then they consume the evidence(the swans)


  • #38
    Chucken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    godwin wrote: »
    They fly into ireland undetected on swans , then they consume the evidence(the swans)

    I suspected as much :pac:

    But how do they leave again? :confused:


  • #39
    godwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭godwin


    Chucken wrote: »
    I suspected as much :pac:

    But how do they leave again? :confused:

    In free social welfare cars , which they then sell in Romania to buy more swans.


  • #40
    Lenin Skynard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭Lenin Skynard


    The department is a big player in the whole swan business. They've even got a swan in their logo ffs.


  • #41
    Norwesterner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Norwesterner


    Chucken wrote: »
    How do you think that would be done, considering the payment has to be collected in person every week.
    Are you sure about that?
    Every week?
    Collected personally?
    I'm an Irish citizen. Passport holder.
    Paid thousands in taxes in the State since the 80s
    Moved abroad to work a few years ago.
    Came back last year to my own country to look for work, and was told by the Social I was not entitled to help as I had been abroad for over 2 years.

    As I left the office, I saw folk from all over the World signing on.
    I felt like a unwanted stranger in Ireland, despite being Irish.
    Obviously, due to no work and no dole, I ended up back on the plane.
    And here I am abroad again, earning less for a 50 hour week (4 dollars an hour) than foreigners get on the dole in my own country.
    Now, I'll be called a racist for pointing this out.


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  • #42
    bmwguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭bmwguy


    Norwesterner wrote: »
    Are you sure about that?
    Every week?
    Collected personally?
    I'm an Irish citizen. Passport holder.
    Paid thousands in taxes in the State since the 80s
    Moved abroad to work a few years ago.
    Came back last year to my own country to look for work, and was told by the Social I was not entitled to help as I had
    been abroad for over 2 years.

    As I left the office, I saw folk from all over the World signing on.
    I felt like a unwanted stranger in Ireland, despite being Irish.
    Obviously, due to no work and no dole, I ended up back on the plane.
    And here I am abroad again, earning less for a 50 hour week (4 dollars an hour) than foreigners get on the dole in
    my own country.
    Now, I'll be called a racist for pointing this out.


    No, not a racist. Thats a f***ed up situation you find yourself in. Talk about abandonment by your own country.


  • #43
    monflat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭monflat


    Norwesterner wrote: »
    Being on the dole and living in a Council house is probably the safest place to be, as regards demographics in Ireland.
    Working in an unstable job with a monthly mortgage or rent to meet is WORSE than being unemployed imo.

    totally agree here with you some locally I know fits the above description and they are going to Australia for 3 months soon with their child

    sure those of us who have mortgages and health insurance and those things are way worse better off


  • #44
    monflat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭monflat


    Norwesterner wrote: »
    Are you sure about that?
    Every week?
    Collected personally?
    I'm an Irish citizen. Passport holder.
    Paid thousands in taxes in the State since the 80s
    Moved abroad to work a few years ago.
    Came back last year to my own country to look for work, and was told by the Social I was not entitled to help as I had been abroad for over 2 years.

    As I left the office, I saw folk from all over the World signing on.
    I felt like a unwanted stranger in Ireland, despite being Irish.
    Obviously, due to no work and no dole, I ended up back on the plane.
    And here I am abroad again, earning less for a 50 hour week (4 dollars an hour) than foreigners get on the dole in my own country.
    Now, I'll be called a racist for pointing this out.



    Jesus that is fecking terrible what sort of a handout country is this

    I saw evidence of this yesterday I saw a few well known dole recipients in town on Thursday and then seeing them again down there in pennys with ****ing trolleys full of clothes .
    myself and d husband work full time but
    are constantly tryin to keep head above water
    that made me sick
    and the lazyNess falling off those assholes

    not a day's work in them and they spending like
    they ****ing deserved it


  • #45
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    Chucken wrote: »
    I suspected as much :pac:

    But how do they leave again? :confused:


    You have it all wrong lads. Have you not noticed there are less swans around, they use our swans to get them home, then use them for the return journey next week to collect more of our money, eat them, and upgrade to a bigger better swan for the journey home I tells ya!!!


  • #46
    Norwesterner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Norwesterner


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    You have it all wrong lads. Have you not noticed there are less swans around, they use our swans to get them home, then use them for the return journey next week to collect more of our money, eat them, and upgrade to a bigger better swan for the journey home I tells ya!!!
    Great craic we are shure, hi.
    The Celtic tiger is over, bud.
    Time you faced realities for your childrens sake.
    There is no magic money tree, and it's no laughing matter for Irish emigrants watching from afar.


  • #47
    WayneMolloy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 713 ✭✭✭WayneMolloy


    Norwesterner wrote: »
    Great craic we are shure, hi.
    The Celtic tiger is over, bud.
    Time you faced realities for your childrens sake.
    There is no magic money tree, and it's no laughing matter for Irish emigrants watching from afar.


    The newly unemployed lad is on less than 200 blip a week and desperate to find work.

    The lazy lad, who has no interest in working, has the game sown up and is claiming allowances we wouldnt believe. I watched Paul C Investigates on TV3 and one single roma woman admitted that she got 420 euro a week from welfare along with her rent paid for.

    Serious poke. Your rent paid and 420 a week to pay your few bills - sweet as. Thats above minimum wage, like. Its a mad system.


  • #48
    Required Field
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 ✭Required Field


    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    Originally Posted by kneemos
    Easy to spot an immigrant,they're the one's with the pram.

    Full of our money :mad:

    And then they abandon those prams full of money at the bus stop, pausing to sneer at the driver and other passengers as they ascened the steps, state-funded baby in arms, to declare "No matter there's no room for my pram! The Social Welfare will get me another one for free! Mwahahaha!"

    She's probably only wearing pyjamas too, and returning from signing on.

    Sure we might as well be BURNING the money.


  • #49
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    Only the immigrants get that, with their tricks and tomfoolery, getting things Irish people can't get.

    Absolute and utter rubbish.
    Immigrants do not get anything that irish citizens dont get.


  • #50
    noodler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,069 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Elessar wrote: »
    That 400k figure is thrown around a lot, but it's not accurate!

    The cso figure includes people who are casual and part time workers. The quarterly household survey is a more accurate reflection of unemployment.

    As of end 2012, there was 294k persons unemployed in the state. On the bright side, there are still 2.15 million people employed in ireland. And to get a better idea of the stats, remember that in the height of the boom (q32007), there were still over 100k registered as unemployed.

    It would be more accurate to say the unemployment figure rests at under 200k. Still a lot, but half of 400k.


    We have two figures alright - the official unemployment figure of 294,000 and the number claiming unemployment benefits which is 425,000.


    The usual proviso applies to the 425,000 of course because many part-timers claim unemployment benefit.

    There is a worry that the 294,000 is underestimating the true figure as well. The Quarterly National Household Survey, on which the 294,000 figures is based apparently (according to a Dan O'Brien article I read in the Irish Times last year) will count you as employed if you ay you worked as little as one hour in the previous week.

    Theres also the worry of people who have stopped looking for worker etc who technically don't count as being unemployed.


  • #51
    mitosis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭mitosis


    About 20% more than are actually unemployed


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  • #52
    WayneMolloy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 713 ✭✭✭WayneMolloy


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    Absolute and utter rubbish.
    Immigrants do not get anything that irish citizens dont get.

    Your pc detector is so at large that you took that comment seriously.

    Hahahaha


  • #53
    monflat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭monflat


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    Absolute and utter rubbish.
    Immigrants do not get anything that irish citizens dont get.

    Maybe I could help 're phrase that
    Immigrants do not get anything that Irish welfare scroungers do not

    And I'm referring to the type who have NEVER contributed to society the takers


  • #54
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    Absolute and utter rubbish.
    Immigrants do not get anything that irish citizens dont get.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2cynbmcOtnA/TPPw0zwaCTI/AAAAAAAABsQ/CgSIXKSFRjA/s1600/sarcasm_detector.jpg


  • #55
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2cynbmcOtnA/TPPw0zwaCTI/AAAAAAAABsQ/CgSIXKSFRjA/s1600/sarcasm_detector.jpg

    Ooops!:o


  • #56
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    Your pc detector is so at large that you took that comment seriously.

    Hahahaha
    I dont use a pc, prefer a laptop or tablet.:cool:


  • #57
    Funkfield
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭Funkfield


    IceFjoem wrote: »
    Ye, two in the shape of a T.

    Now, you see. I like this joke.


  • #58
    Patrick2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    I know several women whose dole has run out and can't a job. They consider themselves unemployed but aren't counted in the figures. It'd be interesting to see how many people there are who are looking for work but can't get the dole because their partner is working.


  • #59
    lulubenny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭lulubenny


    I'm on the dole and get a whopping €13.20 every week - that's how I can afford my lavish lifestyle!!


  • #60
    Legs.Eleven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,987 ✭✭✭Legs.Eleven


    Pinewoo wrote: »
    I hear this figure of 400,000 being thrown around but can't find any concrete evidence to verify.. Internet official stats seem to be from 2011 but the figure is probably much different now, do you know anyone on the dole or do you claim yourself perhaps?

    This bit is my favourite. It's as if we can count up everyone by naming off people we know and those on Boards on the dole.


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  • #61
    Chucken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    Chucken wrote: »
    How do you think that would be done, considering the payment has to be collected in person every week.
    Norwesterner wrote: »
    Are you sure about that?
    Every week?
    Collected personally?

    Yes, it has to be collected personally.Every week.


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