HTC One [Megathread]

jones · 25-04-2013 02:24PM

They sure are - unfortunately haha
They usually come around more often than the IOS updates though

randel · 25-04-2013 02:26PM

Im using a meteor sim at the moment so if i popped a vodafone sim in - I could then download the update??

jones · 25-04-2013 02:46PM

No it depends on it if the phone is network locked. If the phone is locked then whoever "sold" the phone has to release the update themselves. In my case its Three - who dont seem to be the quickest are releasing updates

randel · 25-04-2013 02:51PM

my phone is unlocked

ULMarc · 25-04-2013 02:56PM

randel wrote: »

my phone is unlocked

me too randel. Us meteor folk have to just sit tight for a bit.
My version number is 1.28.401.7

Slutmonkey57b · 25-04-2013 03:12PM

OhHiMark wrote: »

Here you go http://www.three.ie/online/shop/productDetail.aspx?src=p&p=voice&pid=1206&tariffType=contract

People need to get past the idea that they're going to get a week of battery life out of a phone. Would you expect your laptop to last two days if it was constantly on?

Why do they? A laptop is a completely different usage scenario to a phone, so your comparison is fairly meaningless.

The argument is fairly simple, phones are pretty much "good enough" on hardware and features for the vast majority of people. Therefore, the most obvious benefit to the average consumer is "does what your current phone does a little bit better/faster, but the battery lasts twice/three times as long"

That can be achieved as simply as using process shrinks to reduce power consumption of existing designs, and slapping in a more capacious battery in the first place.

jones · 25-04-2013 03:16PM

Unlocked phone should get an update at least at the same time as network locked ones!! its usually before them going by previous experience

jumbobreakfast · 25-04-2013 03:55PM

Download a free app called "CID Getter", it detects your phone's CID. Vodafone updates get pushed out to vodafone CIDs, Three updates go to H3G CIDs etc. My CID starts with VODAPxxxx because i got it from Vodafone so I received the new update. Unlocked phones should have a CID that starts with HTCxxx but usually they get updates first...so I wonder what ye're unlocked phone's CIDs are?

beno619 · 25-04-2013 03:55PM

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

Why do they?

That can be achieved as simply as using process shrinks to reduce power consumption of existing designs, and slapping in a more capacious battery in the first place.

This definitely is not "simple" as moores law is starting to slow down.

The 20nm process is going to be very expensive and apparently apple are going to take up a lot of TSMC wafers.

And not everybody want a note 2 in their pocket so simply cramming more into a tight space isnt going to happen (Samsung are doing a very good job tho).

What we need is a breakthrough in battery or charging tech and there doesnt seem to be anything on the immediate horizon.

chadley78 · 25-04-2013 04:06PM

I flashed the Android Revolution Rom yesterday on my HTC One and the only issue I have is that I cant recieve MMS. Can someone with a 3 HTC One let me know their APN settings.

As a brucie bonus can anyone provide a nandroid backup of the 3 shipped rom.

Cheers for any help.

jumbobreakfast · 25-04-2013 04:28PM

chadley78 wrote: »

I flashed the Android Revolution Rom yesterday on my HTC One and the only issue I have is that I cant recieve MMS. Can someone with a 3 HTC One let me know their APN settings.

As a brucie bonus can anyone provide a nandroid backup of the 3 shipped rom.

Cheers for any help.

name = whatever you want
apn = 3ireland.ie

everything else should be defaults. cant help with the ROM though, sorry

MOH · 25-04-2013 05:00PM

jumbobreakfast wrote: »

Download a free app called "CID Getter", it detects your phone's CID. Vodafone updates get pushed out to vodafone CIDs, Three updates go to H3G CIDs etc. My CID starts with VODAPxxxx because i got it from Vodafone so I received the new update. Unlocked phones should have a CID that starts with HTCxxx but usually they get updates first...so I wonder what ye're unlocked phone's CIDs are?

My Meteor One is HTC_001, but no sign of an update, still on 1.28.401.7

25-04-2013 05:17PM

chadley78 wrote: »

I flashed the Android Revolution Rom yesterday on my HTC One and the only issue I have is that I cant recieve MMS. Can someone with a 3 HTC One let me know their APN settings.

As a brucie bonus can anyone provide a nandroid backup of the 3 shipped rom.

Cheers for any help.

ARHD? I seriously need someone to explain to me why someone roots their phone then whacks a stock rom (which I believe currently doesn't work properly) on their phone.

Two words: Trick Droid

Slutmonkey57b · 25-04-2013 05:22PM

beno619 wrote: »

This definitely is not "simple" as moores law is starting to slow down.

The 20nm process is going to be very expensive and apparently apple are going to take up a lot of TSMC wafers.

And not everybody want a note 2 in their pocket so simply cramming more into a tight space isnt going to happen (Samsung are doing a very good job tho).

What we need is a breakthrough in battery or charging tech and there doesnt seem to be anything on the immediate horizon.

Phone SOC's are only just moving to 28nm, and are usually a step behind larger processors. Therefore, the "big hit" of moving to a new node is taken up by players further down the pipeline, not the phone makers, and the process tech is usually more stable by the time an SOC gets there. That's the whole reason intel uses tick/tock in the first place. If SOC designers were relieved of the onus of "get MOAR GHZ!", then they could concentrate on power savings for existing designs, move more items (such as radios) on-die, or clean up production processes on existing nodes. Granted, phone SOC's are already massively scrutinized for power savings, but engineering is a tradeoff. If engineers aren't having to trade off power savings against the need for MOAR POWER, then they'll find something.

Apple are only moving to TSMC because of the fallout of the Samsung case, and moving to TSMC from samsung merely means Samsung will start courting business from other quarters, or just gobble up the space themselves. There's no shortage of midrange foundry space available, especially if Intel actually start flogging space at a reasonable price (which they may have to if the PC/Server space continues to haemorrhage).

Battery tech does need work, but recent phones have increased the battery capacity, then wasted it again by putting in larger, more dense screens, more powerful SOC's and beefier GPU's. Keep the S2's internals on an improved production process, include the same battery as the S4/One, and suddenly you've got a phone that goes much longer, with negligible "feature loss" for 99% of people.

So the One looks like a great phone. But it's not great enough that I'm prepared to charge the thing every day.

25-04-2013 05:29PM

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

Phone SOC's are only just moving to 28nm, and are usually a step behind larger processors. Therefore, the "big hit" of moving to a new node is taken up by players further down the pipeline, not the phone makers, and the process tech is usually more stable by the time an SOC gets there. That's the whole reason intel uses tick/tock in the first place. If SOC designers were relieved of the onus of "get MOAR GHZ!", then they could concentrate on power savings for existing designs, move more items (such as radios) on-die, or clean up production processes on existing nodes. Granted, phone SOC's are already massively scrutinized for power savings, but engineering is a tradeoff. If engineers aren't having to trade off power savings against the need for MOAR POWER, then they'll find something.

Apple are only moving to TSMC because of the fallout of the Samsung case, and moving to TSMC from samsung merely means Samsung will start courting business from other quarters, or just gobble up the space themselves. There's no shortage of midrange foundry space available, especially if Intel actually start flogging space at a reasonable price (which they may have to if the PC/Server space continues to haemorrhage).

Battery tech does need work, but recent phones have increased the battery capacity, then wasted it again by putting in larger, more dense screens, more powerful SOC's and beefier GPU's. Keep the S2's internals on an improved production process, include the same battery as the S4/One, and suddenly you've got a phone that goes much longer, with negligible "feature loss" for 99% of people.

So the One looks like a great phone. But it's not great enough that I'm prepared to charge the thing every day.

I agree with you, when you say that improved battery life is a good thing....but I don't get your logic for most of it.

In any case, charging a phone every day isn't an inconvenience for most. You sleep every day, you can charge your phone every day. If you were to use your phone for 2-3 hours per day, you would only have to charge every 2-3 days. Of course, this depends on what you're doing when you're using it as well.

jimmynokia · 25-04-2013 05:45PM

Update for the htc one one its way

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_update_brings_further_camera_improvements-news-5915.php

Slutmonkey57b · 25-04-2013 05:47PM

Basil3 wrote: »

I agree with you, when you say that improved battery life is a good thing....but I don't get your logic for most of it.

In any case, charging a phone every day isn't an inconvenience for most. You sleep every day, you can charge your phone every day. If you were to use your phone for 2-3 hours per day, you would only have to charge every 2-3 days. Of course, this depends on what you're doing when you're using it as well.

This is true, but I certainly think that far too much emphasis in testing goes on talktime/idle time in many reviews. GSM arena regularly gives 40-60-80 hour "usage time" results for phones that nobody ever gets more than a day out of, because they just don't fit the arbitrary usage pattern that the reviewers have defined (in my experience, usually based on very out of date usage patterns).

The whole smartphone revolution has come about because phone makers could suddenly tell customers "look at all the things your phone can do .... for about 3 or 4 hours ... get one now!" Phones are increasingly more like PDA's and have taken over many basic computing tasks from Laptops or pc's like email, facebook, twitter etc. But I don't know a single smartphone owner who can get through a full day without the battery being close to flattened, and that's with a wide range of people who use them, differing tech levels etc.

Simply put, a PC has been "good enough" for 99% of people for a very very long time now, and sales are tanking as a result. PC-level tasks moved down to laptops, then netbooks, now phones and tablets, as moore's law took effect. I think phones are coming close to that "good enough" point now for a lot of people. Ask people who upgraded to a recent phone from the previous generation if they use the new phone differently. I bet practically everyone will say "Ehhh not really, but I still like the new one".

Putting decent battery life into a phone, where "charge every day" meant "use the maps navigation/gps/bluetooth, surf the web for a few hours, keep the screen brightness up, keep twitter and facebook running, watch some stuff on youtube" would be useful. Right now that usage model, which isn't wildly heavy, results in "start running out of battery after 6 or 7 hours, then eke it out till the end of the day". Have a phone designed to do that and leave the user "charge it at bedtime tomorrow" and you'll have more people impressed than if you show them a 440ppi screen vs a 420ppi one.

chadley78 · 25-04-2013 05:58PM

Basil3 wrote: »

ARHD? I seriously need someone to explain to me why someone roots their phone then whacks a stock rom (which I believe currently doesn't work properly) on their phone.

Two words: Trick Droid

Trick Droid was my first choice but couldn't get AROMA to work.
I'll give Trick Droid a bash when its next updated.

25-04-2013 06:02PM

chadley78 wrote: »

Trick Droid was my first choice but couldn't get AROMA to work.
I'll give Trick Droid a bash when its next updated.

I know what you mean. Aroma needs to be updated. Usually you get through it ok if you use volume/power keys instead of touchscreen. The setting up of my phone goes something like:

Flash TrickDroid
Flash TrickDroid Tweaks
Flash TrickDroid Themes
Flash one of my Custom Clocks
Flash a zip to change order of toggles
Flash a zip to theme toggles
Flash a zip to theme weather icons

Oh, I forgot flashing of a custom kernel for HTC logo menu button.

It's actually ridiculous. I need to get a life.

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

This is true, but I certainly think that far too much emphasis in testing goes on talktime/idle time in many reviews. GSM arena regularly gives 40-60-80 hour "usage time" results for phones that nobody ever gets more than a day out of, because they just don't fit the arbitrary usage pattern that the reviewers have defined (in my experience, usually based on very out of date usage patterns).

The whole smartphone revolution has come about because phone makers could suddenly tell customers "look at all the things your phone can do .... for about 3 or 4 hours ... get one now!" Phones are increasingly more like PDA's and have taken over many basic computing tasks from Laptops or pc's like email, facebook, twitter etc. But I don't know a single smartphone owner who can get through a full day without the battery being close to flattened, and that's with a wide range of people who use them, differing tech levels etc.

Simply put, a PC has been "good enough" for 99% of people for a very very long time now, and sales are tanking as a result. PC-level tasks moved down to laptops, then netbooks, now phones and tablets, as moore's law took effect. I think phones are coming close to that "good enough" point now for a lot of people. Ask people who upgraded to a recent phone from the previous generation if they use the new phone differently. I bet practically everyone will say "Ehhh not really, but I still like the new one".

Putting decent battery life into a phone, where "charge every day" meant "use the maps navigation/gps/bluetooth, surf the web for a few hours, keep the screen brightness up, keep twitter and facebook running, watch some stuff on youtube" would be useful. Right now that usage model, which isn't wildly heavy, results in "start running out of battery after 6 or 7 hours, then eke it out till the end of the day". Have a phone designed to do that and leave the user "charge it at bedtime tomorrow" and you'll have more people impressed than if you show them a 440ppi screen vs a 420ppi one.

Very true, it's about finding the happy medium. I would have been happy with the One X screen, wasn't much need to go above 720p except to keep up with the Joneses

Blinked_Missed It · 25-04-2013 06:02PM

HTC_001 from emobile. No update to 1.29 as yet.

Anyone know of ways to speed up the inbuilt mail client. Whenever I open it it goes to check for upto 20 seconds. Thats with only 5 accounts out of 12 or more I use. Its the only one which does lockscreen notifications I can see. The gmail app only does gmail (duh) as far as I can see and I need gmail, hotmail, icloud, eircom at minimum & preferably exchange.

I've tried emoze which is brilliant but no lock notifications & only 5 accounts allowed. If you haven't guessed I'm an email junkie & its essential for me to get it perfect. Cheers lads.

Also my slide to unlock has stopped working. Believe it happened after I installed a live wallpaper. Thats uninstalled now but it now only takes a single touch to unlock the phone. Other options such as pattern unlock work but I'd prefer to keep the slide to unlock. Any ideas?

beertons · 25-04-2013 06:41PM

Anyone have problems with yahoo mail on their htc? I can't seem to load mails, delete them or anything.

Jesus Christ · 25-04-2013 07:26PM

Basil3 wrote: »

ARHD? I seriously need someone to explain to me why someone roots their phone then whacks a stock rom (which I believe currently doesn't work properly) on their phone.

Looks The Same != Stock

imitation · 25-04-2013 07:34PM

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

Battery tech does need work, but recent phones have increased the battery capacity, then wasted it again by putting in larger, more dense screens, more powerful SOC's and beefier GPU's. Keep the S2's internals on an improved production process, include the same battery as the S4/One, and suddenly you've got a phone that goes much longer, with negligible "feature loss" for 99% of people.

So the One looks like a great phone. But it's not great enough that I'm prepared to charge the thing every day.

I think at the end of the day given the choice people will go for the phone with the hd screen and 8 cores over the dual core standard res phone with a 2-3 day battery life. The thing with battery life is that a sizable percentage of people are able to top up at work or in the car, and are happy to trade the life.

Personally I find the battery life about in line with my old hd desire and I'm delighted with the larger screen size, it makes browsing far easier, I know I would pick it over a more energy efficient phone.

I also wonder if you would get the returns from reducing processor power and screen resolution, as wireless & the screen backlight are pretty greedy too.

ULMarc · 25-04-2013 08:51PM

imitation wrote: »

8 cores

I'm not being picky here because I know you were just being hypothetical. But I just wanted to make sure that your aware that the S4 doesn't contain an Exynos 5 Octa and instead uses the same chipset as the One. Albeit clocked at 1.9 ghz vs 1.7ghz. The Octa chip will only be sold in some markets which do not include the UK or US.

Anyway, to bring my comment somewhat on topic, this probably benefits the battery life of the One. And the battery life is working out well for me. I was concerned about it when I started hearing some negative feedback. But it's proven better than my Galaxy Nexus so far (I know the GNex is not a fantastic benchmark for battery)

smilerf · 26-04-2013 09:03AM

I'm having problems with Screebl not starting and Yahoo messenger not remembering my password . Anyone else find this

jones · 26-04-2013 09:14AM

Just an update on Three they are expecting the 1.29 update to go out to customers mid May

26-04-2013 12:53PM

jones wrote: »

Just an update on Three they are expecting the 1.29 update to go out to customers mid May

Mid-May? Terrible. Root your phone, have it today

Scruff · 26-04-2013 12:58PM

Chinese operator Unicom is getting a version with a removable back cover.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/26/htc-one-china-back-cover/

no fair

26-04-2013 01:07PM

Scruff wrote: »

Chinese operator Unicom is getting a version with a removable back cover.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/26/htc-one-china-back-cover/

no fair

That's very old news. There's no real benefit to it. You get dual sim and removable micro sd, but if 32GB isn't enough for you on the One then you have solutions such as USB OTG and the Cloud.

Jesus Christ · 26-04-2013 01:07PM

Basil3 wrote: »

Mid-May? Terrible. Root your phone, have it today

I'm rooted on a HTC__001, no update. I guess I could look for the RUU, but I just wiped to unlock the bootloader and I don't want to start again, again. If that's what you're into well and good, but I have better things to do with my time.

HTC One [Megathread]

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