Clermont vs Munster buildup thread **read post one

Rightwing · 23-04-2013 03:23PM

Munster by more than 10

thomond2006 wrote: »

I don't think passing or offloading into touch forms the part of any gameplan.

When the gameplan is wrong, things just fall apart for players.

N Williams is a prime example of that up in Ulster. He couldn't do anything with Munster.

I'm backing lualua to put in a good performance v Clermont

thomond2006 · 23-04-2013 03:25PM

Rightwing wrote: »

When the gameplan is wrong, things just fall apart for players.

N Williams is a prime example of that up in Ulster. He couldn't do anything with Munster.

I'm backing lualua to put in a good performance v Clermont

He was injured/unfit throughout his time at Munster and never got a run of starts. Very hard to draw any conclusions from his time here, his only good performances were against Connacht at the Sportsground when he was used correctly and against Dragons when he was given the ball repeatedly and bulldozed a hat-trick of tries. When he did have a run of fitness, Coughlan was ahead of him in the pecking order by then.

trouttrout · 23-04-2013 03:26PM

Rightwing wrote: »

When the gameplan is wrong, things just fall apart for players.

N Williams is a prime example of that up in Ulster. He couldn't do anything with Munster.

I'm backing lualua to put in a good performance v Clermont

He was crocked then and behind better players, nothing to do with gameplan

Rightwing · 23-04-2013 03:43PM

Munster by more than 10

thomond2006 wrote: »

He was injured/unfit throughout his time at Munster and never got a run of starts. Very hard to draw any conclusions from his time here, his only good performances were against Connacht at the Sportsground when he was used correctly and against Dragons when he was given the ball repeatedly and bulldozed a hat-trick of tries. When he did have a run of fitness, Coughlan was ahead of him in the pecking order by then.

I agree with that, but when things go wrong, players suffer, make silly mistakes, everything snowballs. Mafi was a fine player for us for years, then he became unrecognisably bad.

If we implement the same type of game that we used v Quins & Leinster, we won't be too far away on Saturday.

ionadnapóca · 23-04-2013 03:47PM

Munster by 1-10

just thought i'd bump this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAIROIC_7PE

Sivivatu really is playing some untouchable rugby right now ( i watch it at least every other day!)

thomond2006 · 23-04-2013 03:52PM

Rightwing wrote: »

I agree with that, but when things go wrong, players suffer, make silly mistakes, everything snowballs. Mafi was a fine player for us for years, then he became unrecognisably bad.

If we implement the same type of game that we used v Quins & Leinster, we won't be too far away on Saturday.

You just twisted what I said and you know well you did.

Rightwing · 23-04-2013 03:55PM

Munster by more than 10

thomond2006 wrote: »

You just twisted what I said and you know well you did.

I didn't twist anything - my point remains the same: when the gameplan is wrong, players like lualua will look at lot worse than they are. That's effectively all I am saying. If we play smart he will be ok.

who_me · 23-04-2013 03:55PM

Munster by more than 10

ionadnapokot wrote: »

just thought i'd bump this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAIROIC_7PE

Sivivatu really is playing some untouchable rugby right now ( i watch it at least every other day!)

Nightmares.

LuckyLloyd · 23-04-2013 03:56PM

trouttrout wrote: »

Toulon v Clermont in Dublin will be more or less a 50/50 game

Saracens v Munster in Dublin would be a very close call

Toulon v Munster the same

Saracens v Clermont in Dublin and you would favor Clermont

So I don't know how you can say that the winner of this semi will go on to win it in such a matter of fact way

Munster wouldn't lose a final in Dublin.

Also, were Munster to make the final you would be forced to totally reassess their ability as the Clermont performance would have set a new benchmark.

I'd be shocked if the winner of Clermont / Munster doesn't win the final. Though, like last year, people will no doubt try to play up the chances of this year's Ulster equivalent.

thomond2006 · 23-04-2013 03:57PM

Rightwing wrote: »

I didn't twist anything - my point remains the same: when the gameplan is wrong, players like lualua will look at lot worse than they are. That's effectively all I am saying. If we play smart he will be ok.

Wrong

By "agreeing" with me, you were insinuating that I was agreeing with you in the first place. I wasn't. Quite the opposite. Gluck.

Tox56 · 23-04-2013 04:00PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Munster wouldn't lose a final in Dublin.

Also, were Munster to make the final you would be forced to totally reassess their ability as the Clermont performance would have set a new benchmark.

I'd be shocked if the winner of Clermont / Munster doesn't win the final. Though, like last year, people will no doubt try to play up the chances of this year's Ulster equivalent.

Did you reassess Ulster's ability last year following their victory against Clermont? Ulster were blown away on the day but they were a fine team

trouttrout · 23-04-2013 04:01PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Munster wouldn't lose a final in Dublin.

Also, were Munster to make the final you would be forced to totally reassess their ability as the Clermont performance would have set a new benchmark.

I'd be shocked if the winner of Clermont / Munster doesn't win the final. Though, like last year, people will no doubt try to play up the chances of this year's Ulster equivalent.

You realise Toulon are in the other semi? And even Saracens are stronger than Ulster were last season

thomond2006 · 23-04-2013 04:02PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Munster wouldn't lose a final in Dublin.

Also, were Munster to make the final you would be forced to totally reassess their ability as the Clermont performance would have set a new benchmark.

I'd be shocked if the winner of Clermont / Munster doesn't win the final. Though, like last year, people will no doubt try to play up the chances of this year's Ulster equivalent.

If Toulon had their heads in their game, they would comfortably beat Munster as it stands.

Micky Dolenz · 23-04-2013 04:02PM

Munster by more than 10

Munsters game plans this season have been a mess. Not only has it made players look bad, it has made the team look less the average. Forwards on the wings? What next, stick ROG into the front row.

Rightwing · 23-04-2013 04:03PM

Munster by more than 10

thomond2006 wrote: »

Wrong

By "agreeing" with me, you were insinuating that I was agreeing with you in the first place. I wasn't. Quite the opposite. Gluck.

I was agreeing with injury bit that affected Williams. Apologies for the serious offense caused.

trouttrout · 23-04-2013 04:04PM

Rightwing wrote: »

I was agreeing with injury bit that affected Williams. Apologies for the serious offense caused.

You said Munsters gameplan was the reason for his bad form. Which (surprise surprise) you made no attempt to back up

Riskymove · 23-04-2013 04:05PM

Munster by more than 10

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Though, like last year, people will no doubt try to play up the chances of this year's Ulster equivalent.

tbh Munster are this year's Ulster equivalent

Rightwing · 23-04-2013 04:06PM

Munster by more than 10

trouttrout wrote: »

You said Munsters gameplan was the reason for his bad form. Which (surprise surprise) you made no attempt to back up

Gameplan along with injuries. Similar to Mafi, Warwick and a whole lot of other players. These players were unrecognisable when we changed gameplan.

23-04-2013 04:07PM

Riskymove wrote: »

tbh Munster are this year's Edinburgh equivalent

In terms of being the only QF that didn't have the "expected" result.

trouttrout · 23-04-2013 04:09PM

Rightwing wrote: »

Gameplan along with injuries. Similar to Mafi, Warwick and a whole lot of other players. These players were unrecognisable when we changed gameplan.

What part of the Munster gameplan at that time didn't suit Williams?

Buer · 23-04-2013 04:10PM

trouttrout wrote: »

What part of the Munster gameplan at that time didn't suit Williams?

Playing him as a flanker, for a start!

Rightwing · 23-04-2013 04:11PM

Munster by more than 10

trouttrout wrote: »

What part of the Munster gameplan at that time didn't suit Williams?

I hope the poster Buer doesn't mind me copying this over from the thread as I thought he put it very well:

Different game plan, didn't play to his strengths and he was injured. Munster played him a fair bit at flanker. He's not a workhorse designed to go through phase play and hit rucks. You want him taking first phase ball in one on one situations as he has done for Ulster and ploughing over the gain line. It never made any sense.

trouttrout · 23-04-2013 04:12PM

Rightwing wrote: »

I hope the poster Buer doesn't mind me copying this over from the thread as I thought he put it very well:

Different game plan, didn't play to his strengths and he was injured. Munster played him a fair bit at flanker. He's not a workhorse designed to go through phase play and hit rucks. You want him taking first phase ball in one on one situations as he has done for Ulster and ploughing over the gain line. It never made any sense.

So no opinion of your own? anyway I'm done engaging with you, such a bluffer

Buer · 23-04-2013 04:15PM

Rightwing wrote: »

I hope the poster Buer doesn't mind me copying this over from the thread as I thought he put it very well:

You'll be hearing from my solicitor.

Rightwing · 23-04-2013 04:17PM

Munster by more than 10

Buer wrote: »

You'll be hearing from my solicitor.

ssaye · 23-04-2013 04:17PM

No DOC or Howlett confirmed on MF

Mahatma Geansai · 23-04-2013 04:18PM

Williams was poor for Munster, because he was fat and lazy. That said, he still had a good try scoring record in the Amlin where he is able to smash through opposition players at a canter.

Grimebox · 23-04-2013 04:24PM

Clermont by 1-10

Mahatma Geansai wrote: »

Williams was poor for Munster, because he was fat and lazy. That said, he still had a good try scoring record in the Amlin where he is able to smash through opposition players at a canter.

Just... lol. Thank god he turned that fat and laziness around when he moved to Ulster

ssaye · 23-04-2013 04:28PM

Sinéad Kissane ‏@sineadkissane 1h Doug Howlett & Donncha O'Callaghan ruled out of Munster's H Cup semi. Munster waiting on fitness of Keith Earls & Peter O'Mahony

thomond2006 · 23-04-2013 04:30PM

ssaye wrote: »

No DOC or Howlett confirmed on MF

That's a blow, although probably expected. Doubts still over Earls and POM.

Assuming everyone else is fit:
Killer, Sherry, Botha, D Ryan, POC, POM, TOD, Coughlan;
Murray, ROG, Earls, Downey, Laulala, Zebo, Jones

Varley, du Preez, J Ryan, Holland, Butler, Sheridan, Keatley, Hurley

Clermont vs Munster buildup thread **read post one

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