Boston Marathon suspect arrested. *Mod Warning in OP*

seamus wrote: »

The fact that he lay injured, hiding for 18 hours indicates to me that he's probably not that committed to whatever cause they'd cooked up. Someone more radical would have gone out in a blaze of glory or just killed himself. This guy feared death and capture. Assuming he lives, I would say he'll be very quick to give up everything in the hope of securing some form of leniency.

Yep, this is what I think and with them invoking the public safety exception to his miranda rights, he'll give it up pretty fast.

seamus wrote: »

I'm no medical expert, but I would have thought the opposite - if he's been injured for 18 hours without it killing him and seemingly without crippling him (he still had the energy to have it out with the FBI), then that probably indicates that it's a flesh wound with no major damage. Sepsis and gangrene would be your biggest concern, the bleeding would have mostly subsided by that stage.

In the picture on the Daily Mail homepage it looks like he has a tube down his throat. That is only ever done if he had difficulty breathing. And the fact that the homeowner peered into the boat without getting shot suggests that he may be in a bad way.

I've also seen reports that the gunfire was 'one way', though it may well be nonsense.

jank wrote: »

What you are trotting out are age old ad-hominem attacks about US foreign policy even though it has NOTHING to do with these bombings

You know that for a fact do you???

I would be surprised if two foreigners planting bombs in a country was a protest against that countries own internal policies rather than foreign ones. It's not unheard of, but is extremely rare.

That said, I'm not entirely sure these guys had any agenda.

jank wrote: »

Being pissed off is a rational reaction. Planting bombs is not. These people were clearly not rational.

All??? Syria..no, Iran...no That’s two off the list at the top of my head.

Yes, I would be pissed but again a) These people never lived in the middle east b) That doesn’t excuse violence c) Nothing to do with this case

So, you are giving you about Americans propping up regimes in the Middle East yet on the other hand you want them to be police the world when conflict breaks out. Make up your mind dude.

What you are trotting out are age old ad-hominem attacks about US foreign policy even though it has NOTHING to do with these bombings and tying it loosely together with the usual left wing ill informed righteousness

Iran is not a dictatorship. They have political parties and elections. I would suggest you look up the meaning of the word dictator. Syria is a country in the middle of a civil war. the rebels are being supported by the US. But honestly I wouldn't call it a dictatorship or anything at the moment. It's a mess. No-one in in control there.

All the other regimes, that aren't democracies are ruled either by dictators or royal families. And they are supported by the US.

Just as a matter of interest, how can one make an ad hominem attack on a foreign policy? Do you actually understand what the phrase ad hominem means.

Here's a quick article about why Chechen freedom fighters were labeled as terrorists post 9/11. Before 9/11 they were seen as freedom fighters. post 9/11 they were labeled as muslim extremists. http://www.fpif.org/blog/cross-posted_from_the_foreign_policy_in_focus_blog_focal_points

But to say that two young Muslim lads from Chechnya, who commit a bombing in America, were not influenced by american foreign policy which many believe is anti-muslim, is just silly.

I know all the facts aren't out yet, they could have had a chip on their shoulders against marathon runners, but most likely their primary influence was probably Americas foreign policy.

Missed all the action last night after following it all day yesterday

Glad they got him alive,hopefully he will survive and then they could get answers out of him

Cue a number of documentaries by Discovery about the bombings and what happened in the last 24 hours

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

I couldn't believe the amount of people that confused the two. Maybe it's because we have so many Czechs in Ireland, it just never occurred to me people would confuse Chechnya and Czech. (Or Czechoslovakia, as I've heard too many times today).

Years ago when I heard of Slovenia for the first time I thought it was someone mispronouncing Slovakia. I corrected them

In my defense, it was immediately after the country came into being. So it was still quite new.

mike65 wrote: »

How stupid does one have to be to confuse Chechnya/Chechen and Czech?

Anyway glad this is over for now (the charges and court appearances will be the next feeding frenzy of course), this must have been Bostons biggest week in the news since the Tea Party.

Who had rogue Tea Party member/right wing radical as their prediction of culprit?

Kudos to The Boston Police, State Police and The FBI for tracking down these guys so quickly. Very impressive stuff.

tbayers wrote: »

But some of the other "facts" being put out there make you think. There is a lot of evidence out there that suggests that the authorities knew about the threat before the marathon, multiple reports of bomb sniffing dogs on the scene prior to bomb going off and the authorities telling people not to worry, its just a drill.

They did a number of security sweeps of the area leading up the run. Standard procedure in the US for large public gatherings. It only seems suspicious after the fact. Look at all the public events where there were dogs sniffing around and no incidents after.

The other library bombing is also very weird, they found that and disconnected it within the hour, extremely fast me thinks! And the media forgot about reporting about that all together.

The library wasn't a bomb, it was just a fire.

Every time something like this breaks, the news which comes in is always scattered and iffy as people panic, trolls troll and reporters are dying to get the scoop on everyone else.

So what is initially reported as "The JFK library has been completely levelled by a massive explosion", later becomes, "It was a fire which broke out in the basement" and eventually becomes, "The janitor like a cigarette in a darkened room and it was mistaken for a fire".

Going back and asking, "Why did they report the library had exploded?" can be answered easily; because people are idiots.

And why would the FBI release a statement saying they interviewed the older brother years ago. Surely they knew this would make them seem foolish for not keeping tabs on them!?

Surely then they wouldn't have mentioned it at all? They said they questioned him on behalf of another country (or countries). They saw no risk in him and he was apparently planning to go back home, so why keep tabs on him?

Im not really into the conspiracy theories but the public will never find out what really happened. The authorities would never let him speak freely and tell the true story. As somebody said earlier, the FBI will put out what will want to be heard, not what should be heard!

You're instantly assuming that there's some wider super-sekrit story to be told, therefore I'm going to be skeptical about your "not into conspiracy theories" claim. You've basically stated that you believe there is a conspiracy here, even though you have no idea what kind of conspiracy or even what it's about.

If you start from the position that there's a conspiracy, then you will invent your own reasons and misread information in order to support that theory. Start with no theory, take the information as it's given, then analyse it.

P.Walnuts wrote: »

I'm looking to construct my own tinfoil hat, could you PM me instructions?

Tbh