Boston Marathon suspect arrested. *Mod Warning in OP*

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Following on from the Boston Marathon bombing thread here and the police/FBI chase that ensued from that, also covered in that thread, one suspect has been arrested and is in police custody.

Marathon Bombing suspect arrested in Watertown

Recap: Boston Marathon manhunt ends as Police capture Suspect

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7ofBrian

I hope this fcuker rots in prison for the rest of his life. Death is too good for him.

IM0

the kill has been buzzed now

Mr Whirly

So, what was in the safe?

Chuck Stone

It'll be very interesting if he's articulate and cites US foreign policy as one of his reasons for carrying out the attack.

TheUsual

Ah didn't see any of those pictures, nice one.

The people that suffered at the bombing deserve respect and dignity.
Graphic photos of them are nasty and more than a bit messed up in the head.

Turns out the guy who lost his legs in the Boston bombing has no health insurance - here is the webpage to donate for his medical bills :

http://www.gofundme.com/BucksforBauman

Chuck Stone

TheUsual wrote: »

Turns out the guy who lost his legs in the Boston bombing has no health insurance webpage donate for his bills

I thought emergency care was free at point of access, no?

[-0-]

As said in the other thread, I'm going in to see if there's any craic about the place. Going to check out the town where he was arrested and go to a few bars in close proximity as well.

11pm here, the bars are open until around 2am. Will report back when I'm done.

TheUsual

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I thought emergency care was free at point of access, no?

Yeah but he will need cash for life. Car, job, physio etc.

Chuck Stone

How about a boards.ie fund for the injured?

Rascasse

I knew when I went to bed he'd be found. Didn't get too far either.

Probably best the guy doesn't make it. Not much point surviving only to spend 5 or 10 years in a supermax before being executed.

J. Marston

I was sure he'd kill himself or the police would be forced to kill him. They did a good job in bringing him in alive.

jank

Chuck Stone wrote: »

It'll be very interesting if he's articulate and cites US foreign policy as one of his reasons for carrying out the attack.

Why? So some people can feel this bombing is justified?

elefant

I did pretty much zero work yesterday reading the jumbo-thread from 7 in the morning- it was better than any police scanner!

Nice to wake up to read he's been taken alive. Quite the riveting story.

Sugar Free

Rascasse wrote: »

I knew when I went to bed he'd be found. Didn't get too far either.

Probably best the guy doesn't make it. Not much point surviving only to spend 5 or 10 years in a supermax before being executed.

Someone else mentioned that the state of Massachusetts doesn't have the death penalty, so presumably life without parole is more likely?
That said, if someone with better legal knowledge than I (which is to say, better than none) can clarify, that would be useful.

Additionally, perhaps there's something in US Law to do with acts of terrorism etc. that could over ride this and give the death penalty.
Not that I'm personally baying for it but I imagine there will be considerable political will to execute him if it is legally feasible.

Killer Wench

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I thought emergency care was free at point of access, no?

To stabilize but all of the hospital bill, the new limbs, therapy, etc. will be on him.

jank

Sugar Free wrote: »

Someone else mentioned that the state of Massachusetts doesn't have the death penalty, so presumably life without parole is more likely?
That said, if someone with better legal knowledge than I (which is to say, better than none) can clarify, that would be useful.

Additionally, perhaps there's something in US Law to do with acts of terrorism etc. that could over ride this and give the death penalty.
Not that I'm personally baying for it but I imagine there will be considerable political will to execute him if it is legally feasible.

I would imagine this would be tried in a federal court and pretty sure they have the death penalty for very serious crimes like treason and terrorism.

Sugar Free

jank wrote: »

I would imagine this would be tried in a federal court and pretty sure they have the death penalty for very serious crimes like treason and terrorism.

Yeah I was thinking as much as well as catching up on the other mega-thread where several people mentioned it too.

Galwayguy35

It's saying on the news that he is in a serious condition in hospital.

Not sure if his injuries are life threatening though.

meoklmrk91

jank wrote: »

Why? So some people can feel this bombing is justified?

No because there are people like Bill O Reilly who say that "people still hate us for no reason", I'm sorry but those are some serious rosé tinted glasses.

Let me be clear, I am not saying that any of their actions are justifiable in any way, shape or form. It disgusts me that innocent people had to die for their cause, whatever it was, that people will be living with the injuries both physically and mentally for the rest of their lives.

But if it does turn out to be foreign policyrelated and that is a big but, I think that it is something that should not be taken lightly, this a desperately fraught issue so I will try and tread lightly given the situation here.

For jihadists, the west, and in particular America is their sworn enemy. And while a lot of it can be chalked down to lies, misinformation etc. there is a grain of truth there, America has a history of ravaging countries. Many in the west believe that the Iraq war was an illegal one, rightly or wrongly, the anger over it was palpable, now can you imagine being a middle easterner, seeing the last 10 years, Abu ghraib, the wikileaks links on top all the stuff they have to live with anyway. Afghanistan has been left in tatters.

Let me be clear, I am not excusing or condoning what they did. I am not Anti-American, not in the least. However I am critical of some of their foreign policy and I think that they have a serious issue with calling that into question for a variety for reasons, I find it a little disgusting when people like Bill O Reilly, and he is far from alone, say such things so flippantly.

I hope that was some bit cohesive.

wonderfullife

Chuck Stone wrote: »

It'll be very interesting if he's articulate and cites US foreign policy as one of his reasons for carrying out the attack.

It will be interesting to see if he lives to tell the tale. I know his condition is currently only classed as "serious" but by all accounts he was shot in the initial shootout then had roughly 18 hours on the run with no medical attention.

I'm no medical expert but doesn't sound great. Hope he pulls through for the reasons you mentioned.

Rascasse wrote: »

I knew when I went to bed he'd be found. Didn't get too far either.

Probably best the guy doesn't make it. Not much point surviving only to spend 5 or 10 years in a supermax before being executed.

This is the most baffling bit of the pursuit. They locked-down an area after the first shoot-out. Yet the house he was discovered at was not searched at all at any point. If the neighbour hadn't have spotted the blood on the boat, then chances are he would have at least gone the night without being caught.

More baffling because, to quote a CNN analyst, "a fit 19 year old could run the distance from the initial shootout to where he was found in around 10 minutes".

So he had only managed to go, what, 2km tops from the incident? On foot after being shot. It matters a lot because if he bled to death, for example, it would be police error in not finding him sooner given how close he was to the scene. Their error could have allowed him to escape (unlikely) or kill again (more likely).

The cops and Boston people are receiving a lot of praise over this man-hunt, rightly so to an extent, but this was surely a mistake. On every available bit of information, and logic, the guy simply could not have gone very far. Yet for large chunks of the day they were scouring the whole city for him.

Galwayguy35

Seems kind of strange that none of their family members had any idea what was going on with them, I don't really mean about the bombing but more in relation to their views on America etc.

Chuck Stone

jank wrote: »

Why? So some people can feel this bombing is justified?

Yes. I want people to feel that killing innocent civilians is justified.

GTFO.

AlekSmart

7ofBrian wrote: »

I hope this fcuker rots in prison for the rest of his life. Death is too good for him.

No that would be more like "Revenge",which for many people is a no-no.

Given that this young man will,doubtlessly, have some mad religiously manic justification for his actions,some form of rehabilitative element is therefore desirable.

Life,with No parole (America understands that no remission thing),locked in a small cell,whose walls,ceiling and floor are covered in high resolution images of young Martin Richard.

Let this guy grow old with that boys image forever staying young alongside him .....30,40,50,60 years with your every waking moment taken up with the reality of your evil...such an opportunity for reflection and repentance would surely be appropriate and catered for in every liberal handbook ?

token101

Chuck Stone wrote: »

It'll be very interesting if he's articulate and cites US foreign policy as one of his reasons for carrying out the attack.

Interesting for Fox News so they can start firing up the old fear machine and telling people this is why they need guns. How long before the NRA starts featuring Beslan in their adverts?

I don't think it would give him a shred of credibility. Seeing as how Massachusetts has no death penalty, I'd be far more interested in seeing how they are going to try and wrangle something where they can charge him federally or something because they're going to want to kill him.

crybaby

Chuck Stone wrote: »

It'll be very interesting if he's articulate and cites US foreign policy as one of his reasons for carrying out the attack.

Why?

Rascasse

token101 wrote: »

I'd be far more interested in seeing how they are going to try and wrangle something where they can charge him federally or something because they're going to want to kill him.

There will be no wrangle, the FBI asserted jurisdiction on the day of the bombings and his crimes are all federal crimes. Minimum sentence is life without parole, maximum is death. I think we all know what it'll be.

token101

Rascasse wrote: »

There will be no wrangle, the FBI asserted jurisdiction on the day of the bombings and his crimes are all federal crimes. Minimum sentence is life without parole, maximum is death. I think we all know what it'll be.

Wouldn't be certain, lots of domestic bombers haven't been put on death row. The Olympic bomber, the guy who did the WTC the first time and the Unabomber are all still alive.

Faolchu

Sugar Free wrote: »

Additionally, perhaps there's something in US Law to do with acts of terrorism etc. that could over ride this and give the death penalty.

Pretty sure an act of terrorism is considered a federal offence so federal law applies and federal law does have the death penalty. At least that what I heard said on cnn a few days ago

Ginny

https://www.facebook.com/supportjeffandfamily?ref=ts&fref=ts


It should be a federal case, afaik the state McVeigh attacked hadn't got the death penalty but it was tried as a federal case I'm wrong, could have sworn that was the case, has there been any other attacks that resulted in the death penalty in a state that has no death penalty?

jank

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Yes. I want people to feel that killing innocent civilians is justified.

GTFO.

So why mention foreign policy?

SniperSight

I would find it odd (understatement) if this was plain, old simple anti-Americanism.
Its said they went to America as refugees, and it appears the Americans treated them as one of there own...that these fellas, especially the younger, enjoyed a typical American life and had friends. America, from whats being reported, gave them a chance at a good life, and by all accounts thats where they were heading.

Of course, the news aren't going to report that the Americans spit on them and treated them as outcasts when they arrived over. The media haven't exactly shone with this whole thing, and have shown again that what they report may be skewed or even plain not true.

tbayers

This is what I think of the whole situation. I think the brother dragged him a long for the ride and didn't really have a choice. Where they are from listening to your older siblings is probably expected. His brother had a history of violence and extremism (according to Sky and other sources). Also, the fact that he didnt kill himself or "go down trying" maybe shows he wasn't too extreme??

In no way justifying anything he did, he deserves the death penalty but out of the two, I think a few people would have preferred the older brother to survive to get some answers!

The_Kew_Tour

Boston police, FBI or whoever were in charge deserve huge credit yesterday.

The comments from people like George Hook yesterday about overreaction must now be one of the stupidest comments this century.

The Boston police made the public safety number 1 priority yesterday. However if Hook was in charge a dangerous man would still be walking the streets.

So well done to Boston police for doing their job to the book.

Rascasse

token101 wrote: »

Wouldn't be certain, lots of domestic bombers haven't been put on death row. The Olympic bomber, the guy who did the WTC the first time and the Unabomber are all still alive.

The others all had reason to get plea deal. I really can't see how this guy would get a deal - they have him on video planting the bomb. Unless he has info the US needs I think his future is bleak.

jank

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

No because there are people like Bill O Reilly who say that "people still hate us for no reason", I'm sorry but those are some serious rosé tinted glasses.

Let me be clear, I am not saying that any of their actions are justifiable in any way, shape or form. It disgusts me that innocent people had to die for their cause, whatever it was, that people will be living with the injuries both physically and mentally for the rest of their lives.

But if it does turn out to be foreign related and that is a big but, I think that it is something that should not be taken lightly, this a desperately fraught issue so I will try and tread lightly given the situation here.

For jihadists, the west, and in particular America is their sworn enemy. And while a lot of it can be chalked down to lies, misinformation etc. there is a grain of truth there, America has a history of ravaging countries. Many in the west believe that the Iraq war was an illegal one, rightly or wrongly, the anger over it was palpable, now can you imagine being a middle easterner, seeing the last 10 years, Abu ghraib, the wikileaks links on top all the stuff they have to live with anyway. Afghanistan has been left in tatters.

Let me be clear, I am not excusing or condoning what they did. I am not Anti-American, not in the least. However I am critical of some of their foreign policy and I think that they have a serious issue with calling that into question for a variety for reasons, I find it a little disgusting when people like Bill O Reilly, and he is far from alone, say such things so flippantly.

I hope that was some bit cohesive.

What I find disgusting are people trying to justfy these actions as a result of American Foreign Policy. A type of moral justifcation or mistep on their part. You think America is the only country in the world past and present with questionable foreign policy history? Australia & NZ has troops in Afghanistan, would that justify someone bombing the opera house? Do you honestly think the generals in the pentagon will 'sit up and take notice' because of a few loners with a home made bomb?

All what you wrote above is all well and good, but these people are not some poor farmer bombed out of their job and homes by the 'Great Satan'. They were American citzens who lived normal lives, one of them attending UMASS and hoping to be a dentist. As middle class you can be. They had serious mental isuess, most likely depressed, felt themselves to be losers and wanted to achive notoriety and fame. So what the FCUK does anything middle east have to do with this????

Hope he gets better so that he can have the full weight of the American justice system fall on him while he ends his days in the Supermax prison or better yet, gets the death penalty.

Morrisseeee

I'm guessing that we, the public, will not hear the 'real' reasons why they did it, we'll get some 'spin' version of their real intentions/reasons.

Listening to the reporter on ABC, after he heard the gunshots he said that he thought they were one-way, unless he was just referencing one moment in the shoot-out saga, did it go on for long ?

SniperSight

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

The comments from people like George Hook yesterday about overreaction must now be one of the stupidest comments this century.

I simply couldn't fathom how some people considered it an over-reaction.
These guys set off two bombs, murdered a cop in cold blood, had no problem engaging in firefights with the cops and lobbing explosives about the place......and yet, after all this, having the streets lined with armed officers on the look-out was viewed as a feckin' over-reaction.

Those people need to be sat down in front of a huge screen with the explosions being shown on a loop, and have it pointed out slowly that 100s of lives have been changed permanentely and a few ended.

I suppose these people thought shutting down airports around 9/11 was "an over-reaction".

jank

token101 wrote: »

Interesting for Fox News so they can start firing up the old fear machine and telling people this is why they need guns. How long before the NRA starts featuring Beslan in their adverts?

I don't think it would give him a shred of credibility. Seeing as how Massachusetts has no death penalty, I'd be far more interested in seeing how they are going to try and wrangle something where they can charge him federally or something because they're going to want to kill him.

Wrangle something? Killing 3 people and injuring a hundred plus more not enough for the federal death penalty now?

Maybe they can plant a bag of weed on him, that will definately get him.

tigger123

Its good to see he was taken alive, enough people have died at this stage.

jank

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Boston police, FBI or whoever were in charge deserve huge credit yesterday.

The comments from people like George Hook yesterday about overreaction must now be one of the stupidest comments this century.

The Boston police made the public safety number 1 priority yesterday. However if Hook was in charge a dangerous man would still be walking the streets.

So well done to Boston police for doing their job to the book.

That george hook reaction is, and I hate saying this is a very Irish reaction. We live in a nice safe bubble far away from any threats to our state or way off life. The most dangerous wild animal in Ireland is a fox FFS! We dont have tornado's, wild fires, earth quakes, extreame weather of any kind. It feeds into our sense that the world is always safe and sound. It cracks me up when on one hand we give out about the big bad Americans yet if we were next door to Russia or Iran or China we would be glad to have their support. Just look at Irish Neutrality, what the **** is that about. Whataboutery.

opinion guy

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Boston police, FBI or whoever were in charge deserve huge credit yesterday.

The comments from people like George Hook yesterday about overreaction must now be one of the stupidest comments this century.

The Boston police made the public safety number 1 priority yesterday. However if Hook was in charge a dangerous man would still be walking the streets.

So well done to Boston police for doing their job to the book.

Was Hook wrong ? After all - the guy was only found AFTER the restrictions were removed by an ordinary person going about their day. Would the person not have found the blood much earlier if they were not confined to their house ?

darced

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El Horseboxo

Rascasse wrote: »

There will be no wrangle, the FBI asserted jurisdiction on the day of the bombings and his crimes are all federal crimes. Minimum sentence is life without parole, maximum is death. I think we all know what it'll be.

FBI don't assert jurisdiction on anything. That's a Hollywood angle. FBI assist and pool resources with locals and other federal agencies. Most commonly ATF in bombing cases. Federal agencies don't just come in and take over. And the death penalty is not certain yet. Under the Terrorist bombings convention implementation act and the Intelligence reform and terrorism prevention act he could be tried federally. But it's by no means guaranteed.

GalwayGuy2

I found both of these songs incredibly appropriate, for both sides of the chase:

Few comments:

Thank **** he was taken alive, and I hope he stays alive, and is treated as any other criminal.

Social Media has gone mad, and has seriously changed how we look at events.

And, unfortunately, any extremist, nutter looking for fame, anybody with a grudge, will see an event like this as potential publicity for their views

darced

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The_Kew_Tour

opinion guy wrote: »

Was Hook wrong ? After all - the guy was only found AFTER the restrictions were removed by an ordinary person going about their day. Would the person not have found the blood much earlier if they were not confined to their house ?

I do think he was wrong 100%.

You think he was right?

The_Kew_Tour

darced wrote: »

While taking a safety first approach regarding civilians was the correct move the rest of the operation was a shamble's,how he evaded them for so long is an embarrassment to their forces.

You have to remember that this guy was capable of anything.

It's very easy say here he is let's go in our hundreds and capture him.

He could be about to pull a switch setting off bomb killing innocent people. Then who comes in for questioning?

It's not as black and white as some think.

opinion guy

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I do think he was wrong 100%.

You think he was right?

I think he had a point.

Merkin

tbayers wrote: »

This is what I think of the whole situation. I think the brother dragged him a long for the ride and didn't really have a choice. Where they are from listening to your older siblings is probably expected. His brother had a history of violence and extremism (according to Sky and other sources)!

This is what I thought too, seemed like the older brother was being portrayed as the instigator and baddie...

wow sierra

jank wrote: »

They were American citzens who lived normal lives, one of them attending UMASS and hoping to be a dentist. As middle class you can be.

You make it sound like they were some WASP family. They were from Chechnya - a place that isn't a country because of its horrific history. What happened in Boston was horrific and targeting a marathon of all things is seriously sick.

But to say that this hasn't put the media spotlight on Chechnya and Dagestan again is simply not true. Have a look at any paper or web search today . There are atrocities committed all over the world day in day out but the western media don't highlight them.

We probably will never know if their ethnic background had much to do with these bombings but they sure as hell weren't ordinary US boys.