Boston Marathon suspect arrested. Mod Warning in OP

SniperSight · 20-04-2013 08:31AM

I would find it odd (understatement) if this was plain, old simple anti-Americanism.
Its said they went to America as refugees, and it appears the Americans treated them as one of there own...that these fellas, especially the younger, enjoyed a typical American life and had friends. America, from whats being reported, gave them a chance at a good life, and by all accounts thats where they were heading.

Of course, the news aren't going to report that the Americans spit on them and treated them as outcasts when they arrived over. The media haven't exactly shone with this whole thing, and have shown again that what they report may be skewed or even plain not true.

tbayers · 20-04-2013 08:45AM

This is what I think of the whole situation. I think the brother dragged him a long for the ride and didn't really have a choice. Where they are from listening to your older siblings is probably expected. His brother had a history of violence and extremism (according to Sky and other sources). Also, the fact that he didnt kill himself or "go down trying" maybe shows he wasn't too extreme??

In no way justifying anything he did, he deserves the death penalty but out of the two, I think a few people would have preferred the older brother to survive to get some answers!

The_Kew_Tour · 20-04-2013 08:47AM

Boston police, FBI or whoever were in charge deserve huge credit yesterday.

The comments from people like George Hook yesterday about overreaction must now be one of the stupidest comments this century.

The Boston police made the public safety number 1 priority yesterday. However if Hook was in charge a dangerous man would still be walking the streets.

So well done to Boston police for doing their job to the book.

Rascasse · 20-04-2013 08:48AM

token101 wrote: »

Wouldn't be certain, lots of domestic bombers haven't been put on death row. The Olympic bomber, the guy who did the WTC the first time and the Unabomber are all still alive.

The others all had reason to get plea deal. I really can't see how this guy would get a deal - they have him on video planting the bomb. Unless he has info the US needs I think his future is bleak.

jank · 20-04-2013 08:52AM

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

No because there are people like Bill O Reilly who say that "people still hate us for no reason", I'm sorry but those are some serious rosé tinted glasses.

Let me be clear, I am not saying that any of their actions are justifiable in any way, shape or form. It disgusts me that innocent people had to die for their cause, whatever it was, that people will be living with the injuries both physically and mentally for the rest of their lives.

But if it does turn out to be foreign related and that is a big but, I think that it is something that should not be taken lightly, this a desperately fraught issue so I will try and tread lightly given the situation here.

For jihadists, the west, and in particular America is their sworn enemy. And while a lot of it can be chalked down to lies, misinformation etc. there is a grain of truth there, America has a history of ravaging countries. Many in the west believe that the Iraq war was an illegal one, rightly or wrongly, the anger over it was palpable, now can you imagine being a middle easterner, seeing the last 10 years, Abu ghraib, the wikileaks links on top all the stuff they have to live with anyway. Afghanistan has been left in tatters.

Let me be clear, I am not excusing or condoning what they did. I am not Anti-American, not in the least. However I am critical of some of their foreign policy and I think that they have a serious issue with calling that into question for a variety for reasons, I find it a little disgusting when people like Bill O Reilly, and he is far from alone, say such things so flippantly.

I hope that was some bit cohesive.

What I find disgusting are people trying to justfy these actions as a result of American Foreign Policy. A type of moral justifcation or mistep on their part. You think America is the only country in the world past and present with questionable foreign policy history? Australia & NZ has troops in Afghanistan, would that justify someone bombing the opera house? Do you honestly think the generals in the pentagon will 'sit up and take notice' because of a few loners with a home made bomb?

All what you wrote above is all well and good, but these people are not some poor farmer bombed out of their job and homes by the 'Great Satan'. They were American citzens who lived normal lives, one of them attending UMASS and hoping to be a dentist. As middle class you can be. They had serious mental isuess, most likely depressed, felt themselves to be losers and wanted to achive notoriety and fame. So what the FCUK does anything middle east have to do with this????

Hope he gets better so that he can have the full weight of the American justice system fall on him while he ends his days in the Supermax prison or better yet, gets the death penalty.

Morrisseeee · 20-04-2013 08:53AM

I'm guessing that we, the public, will not hear the 'real' reasons why they did it, we'll get some 'spin' version of their real intentions/reasons.

Listening to the reporter on ABC, after he heard the gunshots he said that he thought they were one-way, unless he was just referencing one moment in the shoot-out saga, did it go on for long ?

SniperSight · 20-04-2013 08:57AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

The comments from people like George Hook yesterday about overreaction must now be one of the stupidest comments this century.

I simply couldn't fathom how some people considered it an over-reaction.
These guys set off two bombs, murdered a cop in cold blood, had no problem engaging in firefights with the cops and lobbing explosives about the place......and yet, after all this, having the streets lined with armed officers on the look-out was viewed as a feckin' over-reaction.

Those people need to be sat down in front of a huge screen with the explosions being shown on a loop, and have it pointed out slowly that 100s of lives have been changed permanentely and a few ended.

I suppose these people thought shutting down airports around 9/11 was "an over-reaction".

jank · 20-04-2013 08:57AM

token101 wrote: »

Interesting for Fox News so they can start firing up the old fear machine and telling people this is why they need guns. How long before the NRA starts featuring Beslan in their adverts?

I don't think it would give him a shred of credibility. Seeing as how Massachusetts has no death penalty, I'd be far more interested in seeing how they are going to try and wrangle something where they can charge him federally or something because they're going to want to kill him.

Wrangle something? Killing 3 people and injuring a hundred plus more not enough for the federal death penalty now?

Maybe they can plant a bag of weed on him, that will definately get him.

tigger123 · 20-04-2013 09:00AM

Its good to see he was taken alive, enough people have died at this stage.

jank · 20-04-2013 09:09AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Boston police, FBI or whoever were in charge deserve huge credit yesterday.

The comments from people like George Hook yesterday about overreaction must now be one of the stupidest comments this century.

The Boston police made the public safety number 1 priority yesterday. However if Hook was in charge a dangerous man would still be walking the streets.

So well done to Boston police for doing their job to the book.

That george hook reaction is, and I hate saying this is a very Irish reaction. We live in a nice safe bubble far away from any threats to our state or way off life. The most dangerous wild animal in Ireland is a fox FFS! We dont have tornado's, wild fires, earth quakes, extreame weather of any kind. It feeds into our sense that the world is always safe and sound. It cracks me up when on one hand we give out about the big bad Americans yet if we were next door to Russia or Iran or China we would be glad to have their support. Just look at Irish Neutrality, what the **** is that about. Whataboutery.

opinion guy · 20-04-2013 09:13AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Boston police, FBI or whoever were in charge deserve huge credit yesterday.

The comments from people like George Hook yesterday about overreaction must now be one of the stupidest comments this century.

The Boston police made the public safety number 1 priority yesterday. However if Hook was in charge a dangerous man would still be walking the streets.

So well done to Boston police for doing their job to the book.

Was Hook wrong ? After all - the guy was only found AFTER the restrictions were removed by an ordinary person going about their day. Would the person not have found the blood much earlier if they were not confined to their house ?

darced · 20-04-2013 09:14AM

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El Horseboxo · 20-04-2013 09:15AM

Rascasse wrote: »

There will be no wrangle, the FBI asserted jurisdiction on the day of the bombings and his crimes are all federal crimes. Minimum sentence is life without parole, maximum is death. I think we all know what it'll be.

FBI don't assert jurisdiction on anything. That's a Hollywood angle. FBI assist and pool resources with locals and other federal agencies. Most commonly ATF in bombing cases. Federal agencies don't just come in and take over. And the death penalty is not certain yet. Under the Terrorist bombings convention implementation act and the Intelligence reform and terrorism prevention act he could be tried federally. But it's by no means guaranteed.

GalwayGuy2 · 20-04-2013 09:16AM

I found both of these songs incredibly appropriate, for both sides of the chase:

Few comments:

Thank **** he was taken alive, and I hope he stays alive, and is treated as any other criminal.

Social Media has gone mad, and has seriously changed how we look at events.

And, unfortunately, any extremist, nutter looking for fame, anybody with a grudge, will see an event like this as potential publicity for their views

darced · 20-04-2013 09:17AM

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The_Kew_Tour · 20-04-2013 09:17AM

opinion guy wrote: »

Was Hook wrong ? After all - the guy was only found AFTER the restrictions were removed by an ordinary person going about their day. Would the person not have found the blood much earlier if they were not confined to their house ?

I do think he was wrong 100%.

You think he was right?

The_Kew_Tour · 20-04-2013 09:19AM

darced wrote: »

While taking a safety first approach regarding civilians was the correct move the rest of the operation was a shamble's,how he evaded them for so long is an embarrassment to their forces.

You have to remember that this guy was capable of anything.

It's very easy say here he is let's go in our hundreds and capture him.

He could be about to pull a switch setting off bomb killing innocent people. Then who comes in for questioning?

It's not as black and white as some think.

opinion guy · 20-04-2013 09:21AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I do think he was wrong 100%.

You think he was right?

I think he had a point.

Merkin · 20-04-2013 09:23AM

tbayers wrote: »

This is what I think of the whole situation. I think the brother dragged him a long for the ride and didn't really have a choice. Where they are from listening to your older siblings is probably expected. His brother had a history of violence and extremism (according to Sky and other sources)!

This is what I thought too, seemed like the older brother was being portrayed as the instigator and baddie...

wow sierra · 20-04-2013 09:26AM

jank wrote: »

They were American citzens who lived normal lives, one of them attending UMASS and hoping to be a dentist. As middle class you can be.

You make it sound like they were some WASP family. They were from Chechnya - a place that isn't a country because of its horrific history. What happened in Boston was horrific and targeting a marathon of all things is seriously sick.

But to say that this hasn't put the media spotlight on Chechnya and Dagestan again is simply not true. Have a look at any paper or web search today . There are atrocities committed all over the world day in day out but the western media don't highlight them.

We probably will never know if their ethnic background had much to do with these bombings but they sure as hell weren't ordinary US boys.

darced · 20-04-2013 09:26AM

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Grayson · 20-04-2013 09:30AM

jank wrote: »

What I find disgusting are people trying to justfy these actions as a result of American Foreign Policy. A type of moral justifcation or mistep on their part. You think America is the only country in the world past and present with questionable foreign policy history? Australia & NZ has troops in Afghanistan, would that justify someone bombing the opera house? Do you honestly think the generals in the pentagon will 'sit up and take notice' because of a few loners with a home made bomb?

All what you wrote above is all well and good, but these people are not some poor farmer bombed out of their job and homes by the 'Great Satan'. They were American citzens who lived normal lives, one of them attending UMASS and hoping to be a dentist. As middle class you can be. They had serious mental isuess, most likely depressed, felt themselves to be losers and wanted to achive notoriety and fame. So what the FCUK does anything middle east have to do with this????

Hope he gets better so that he can have the full weight of the American justice system fall on him while he ends his days in the Supermax prison or better yet, gets the death penalty.

If you'd heard that irish emigrants in particular were being targeted or discriminated against, you'd be pissed. Probably more so than if they were any other nationality.

The US is responsable for hundreds of thousands of muslim deaths, if not millions at this stage. And they still prop up regimes in the middle east. All the dictatorships remaining there are still there because of US support.

And imagine if you lived in the country that was responsible. And you saw most normal people who supported it, or just didn't care. You'd be even more pissed.

And remember these guys were from chechnya. It's a muslim country that was destroyed by an uprising, that could be compared to syria. The difference was that america did nothing then because they had too much money invrested in russia and it wasn't as cool (social media wasn't around). So they are from a muslim country that was destroyed and they saw america doing it to other muslim countries.

No-one here is saying it's justified. But people are saying that they can understand how it happened.

shinny · 20-04-2013 09:31AM

I listened to the whole thing go down on the Boston Police Radio (scanner via U-stream). It was amazing to me how much we were able to hear. They did cop on, towards the end that half of twitterland was listening in, and you'd here "watch your mic" every now and again, but you still heard it play out till the end.

The best part was their joy at the end and congratulating each other on a job well done. The commissioner came on and told them all they did a great job and I laughed when amidst all the official "Thank you Commissioner" some guy goes, "Tks Comish"

It seems as if his older brother had a massive influence on him. Listening to friends talk about Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, they were in utter shock and disbelief. Describing him as a great guy who always offered his help...but he's a 19 year old grown man, he has to be held accountable for his actions.

clairefontaine · 20-04-2013 09:34AM

He was a US citizen and should be tried for treason.

poppet84 · 20-04-2013 09:35AM

It is so sick and twisted what this guy did but I can't help but think what a waste, it seemed like he had a lot going for him before all of this.The human brain is a strange thing. Those poor families of the victims and the injured must be so numb looking at all this.

jank · 20-04-2013 09:37AM

wow sierra wrote: »

You make it sound like they were some WASP family. They were from Chechnya - a place that isn't a country because of its horrific history. What happened in Boston was horrific and targeting a marathon of all things is seriously sick.

But to say that this hasn't put the media spotlight on Chechnya and Dagestan again is simply not true. Have a look at any paper or web search today . There are atrocities committed all over the world day in day out but the western media don't highlight them.

We probably will never know if their ethnic background had much to do with these bombings but they sure as hell weren't ordinary US boys.

I never said that at all. I mentioned that people are itching to use American Foreign Policy as a way to justify what happened. Chechnya has nothing to do with that.

dark crystal · 20-04-2013 09:41AM

shinny wrote: »

It seems as if his older brother had a massive influence on him. Listening to friends talk about Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, they were in utter shock and disbelief. Describing him as a great guy who always offered his help...but he's a 19 year old grown man, he has to be held accountable for his actions.

This sentiment seems to be prevelant, but I wonder how much influence it takes to place a bag containing a bomb loaded with ballbearings directly behind an 8-year-old kid, knowing it will almost certainly kill him.

I doubt his 'friends' really knew him at all.

clairefontaine · 20-04-2013 09:50AM

dark crystal wrote: »

This sentiment seems to be prevelant, but I wonder how much influence it takes to place a bag containing a bomb loaded with ballbearings directly behind an 8-year-old kid, knowing it will almost certainly kill him.

I doubt his 'friends' really knew him at all.

There is a chilling front page photo of him at the finish line, with the bag on the ground, and the eight year old just next to it.

This guy was right next to the people he knew he was going to kill, there was no distance, no remove. He saw them, he knew there were kids, and he went ahead with it. This was plotted and thought out.

Maybe his friends did know him, maybe they didn't. People can change quickly, they can snap and turn. Who knows?

seamus · 20-04-2013 09:51AM

J. Marston wrote: »

I was sure he'd kill himself or the police would be forced to kill him. They did a good job in bringing him in alive.

I was sure he'd topped himself early yesterday and they couldn't find him because he was just a corpse in the corner of some basement or garage somewhere.

wonderfullife wrote: »

It will be interesting to see if he lives to tell the tale. I know his condition is currently only classed as "serious" but by all accounts he was shot in the initial shootout then had roughly 18 hours on the run with no medical attention.

I'm no medical expert but doesn't sound great. Hope he pulls through for the reasons you mentioned.

Likewise I'm no medical expert, but I would have thought the opposite - if he's been injured for 18 hours without it killing him and seemingly without crippling him (he still had the energy to have it out with the FBI), then that probably indicates that it's a flesh wound with no major damage. Sepsis and gangrene would be your biggest concern, the bleeding would have mostly subsided by that stage.

The fact that he lay injured, hiding for 18 hours indicates to me that he's probably not that committed to whatever cause they'd cooked up. Someone more radical would have gone out in a blaze of glory or just killed himself. This guy feared death and capture. Assuming he lives, I would say he'll be very quick to give up everything in the hope of securing some form of leniency.

Maybe his friends did know him, maybe they didn't. People can change quickly, they can snap and turn. Who knows?

You'd be surprised at what people can do if you get them pumped up enough. You only have to get someone riled up for an hour, long enough to do what you want and then walk away.

Mysteriouschic · 20-04-2013 09:53AM

He probably did have some sort of influence from his brother but he did plant the bomb knowing what would happen if he's able to plant the bomb he should be able to face the consequences and even going by his twitter it didn't seem like he was bothered,. I'm guessing he didn't expect to be caught. The police did a great job working very hard and it only taking them about 4/5 days to get both of the suspects.

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