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Maggie Thatcher death discussion thread - Mod rules in first post

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  • #1622
    Playboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    Madam wrote: »
    Oh How could I forget about London - the centre of all our universes:(

    Ask someone from Scotland how much she helped them!

    work with plenty of scots thanks so know plenty of opinions that are positive.


  • #1623
    space_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 663 ✭✭✭space_man


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    So cigarette manufacturers paid her large sums of money because they believed what she was doing would make no difference to their sales? :rolleyes:

    incredible the lengths some people will go to defend her.
    they even start to believe their own fantasy stories after a while.


  • #1624
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    space_man wrote: »
    incredible the lengths some people will go to defend her.
    they even start to believe their own fantasy stories after a while.

    It's not really that incredible.

    Just look at the gimps that used to stand outside the tribunals cheering on Haughey every time he appeared.

    There's none so blind as those who will not see.


  • #1625
    Weathering
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭Weathering


    Playboy wrote: »
    1. Lol at you for believing anything that comes out of Mandelsons mouth

    2. No one here is fawning over Thatcher... Just people refusing to jump on the leftist/republican bandwagon which is using the death of an old lady to score political points by making up BS.


    What is truly truly pathetic is people like you who doesn't have the decency to have some respect and keep your gob shut when a woman who didn't do a thing to you has just died. She wasn't fckin Hitler no matter how much some people want to paint her that way. There are lots of Irish in the UK who are successful because she made it a possibility for them to work places other than a building site.

    You are so full of crap you're gurgling brown at the mouth. You don't have to be left wing or a Republic to despise a monster.

    O, okay..I wasn't aware that Irish people could only work in building sites in the pre Maggie era. I'm sure her canonisation is in the post, St.Maggie the patron saint of ex Irish builders now working in a more snob friendly profession


  • #1626
    Playboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    So you're saying Mandelson just decided today was the day to tell everyone a big dirty lie - the day of Thatcher's funeral? Cool story bro.

    Mandelson has previous... you would know that if you had a clue


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Oh they fucking are. Also, I have seen people you've described as 'leftist' say it wasn't so much what she did but the manner in which she did it that they despise (in Britain). Her policies in Ireland were moronic by any normal person's estimation.

    Show me some fawning posts.. until then you are talking out of your arse


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Thatcher has done nothing to earn my respect so you fanboys just have to suck it up that some of us don't buy into the bull**** canonization of your heroine.

    You obviously know nothing about her so its a good idea to keep your gob shut when you dont know what you are talking about. It's common sense


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    The world doesn't work like that anymore. I doff my cap to no one and keep my gob shut when I choose to not when thatcher fanboys say I should.

    No one is asking you to doff anything. You are obviously one of the loudmouths who like to wade in with an ill informed opinion at an inappropriate time. When someone has died its basic manners to have a little tact.

    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Bollocks. As has been pointed out to you above Irish people have gone to England and been successful because of their education and competency.

    I'm one of them so I'll safely say i know fckin better than you. Before Thatcher the city was a closed shop


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Stop tugging your forelock and put your cap back on man.

    :rolleyes:


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  • #1627
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    space_man wrote: »
    they even start to believe their own fantasy stories after a while.

    Indeed. If she'd been around a couple of thousand years ago, by now, there'd be stories of her turning coal into gold and dish water into ale.


  • #1628
    space_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 663 ✭✭✭space_man


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    It's not really that incredible.

    Just look at the gimps that used to stand outside the tribunals cheering on Haughey every time he appeared.

    There's none so blind as those who will not see.

    i was being ironic. its not incredible at all, but it is quite amusing.:D


  • #1629
    Playboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    Weathering wrote: »
    You are so full of crap you're gurgling brown at the mouth. You don't have to be left wing or a Republic to despise a monster.

    O, okay..I wasn't aware that Irish people could only work in building sites in the pre Maggie era. I'm sure her canonisation is in the post, St.Maggie the patron saint of ex Irish builders now working in a more snob friendly profession

    well if I'm so full of **** then why doesnt anyone on your side of the debate offer anything more than hate filled vitriol and second hand accounts of what she supposedly said.


  • #1630
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    Playboy wrote: »
    well if I'm so full of **** then why doesnt anyone on your side of the debate offer anything more than hate filled vitriol and second hand accounts of what she supposedly said.

    Tried that, had no effect.


  • #1631
    who the fug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭who the fug


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Lol at the Irish Thatcher fanboys. She thought you were a bunch of liars.

    So even if you ever got the chance to fawn at her face-to-face she would have thought your vomit-inducing gushing over her would have been an act.

    Truly truly pathetic.

    Anyone links to how that comment is going down with Unionists up north


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  • #1632
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,687 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Playboy wrote: »
    work with plenty of scots thanks so know plenty of opinions that are positive.

    lol


  • #1633
    Weathering
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭Weathering


    Playboy wrote: »
    well if I'm so full of **** then why doesnt anyone on your side of the debate offer anything more than hate filled vitriol and second hand accounts of what she supposedly said.

    You need help. And, what exactly are you offering for her side of the debate other than cursing and acting like a child. Idiotic comments and crying fits your demeanour perfectly. History speaks for itself


  • #1634
    space_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 663 ✭✭✭space_man


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    lol

    i reckon playboy must be the janitor down at the local Conservative Club.:D


  • #1635
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Indeed. If she'd been around a couple of thousand years ago, by now, there'd be stories of her turning coal into gold and dish water into ale.

    there are two opposite sides here. Anyone who hated thatcher will say she was the devil reincarnate and anyone who points out she actually did do some good is written off as a fanboy.

    it is actually possible to agree with her on some points and disagree with her on others.


  • #1636
    who the fug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭who the fug


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    there are two opposite sides here. Anyone who hated thatcher will say she was the devil reincarnate and anyone who points out she actually did do some good is written off as a fanboy.

    it is actually possible to agree with her on some points and disagree with her on others.


    Steady, reason and logic are not to be used on the inter web


  • #1637
    Courtesy Flush
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Courtesy Flush


    Her economic polices were crazy.She went totally with her guru Milton Friedman.
    Treating people and their communities as merely numbers in a game of Galtian, supply-side, trickle-down bull**** is what got us to the ****in' mess we're in now. Even worse, they were ****in wrong - both Friedman and Greenspan have accepted this. Yet the filthy genie will not be going back in the lamp anytime soon. Too big to fail, ya see. Amazed earlier when some tory twat mentioned how Thatcher was a star for allowing people to own shares in companies like BT etc - we ****in' owned them anyway u moron. The whole country! Think of that next time you open that gas/water/leccy bill, and wonder whether the CEO is worth their £2 million yearly bonus.


  • #1638
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Playboy wrote: »
    Mandelson has previous... you would know that if you had a clue

    And Thatcher has more 'previous' that would make Mandelson's claim all too believable. Ya see, this denial of all things negative is simply evidence of the fanboy disconnect from reality.
    Show me some fawning posts.. until then you are talking out of your arse

    See above. I'm not the one who's talking shite here. Show some respect? GTFO. I respect people who've earned it not because a coterie of Thatcher disciples demand I worship her.
    You obviously know nothing about her so its a good idea to keep your gob shut when you dont know what you are talking about.

    I know enough about saint Thatcher of Grantham to know that her canonization is a fucking joke.
    You are obviously one of the loudmouths who like to wade in with an ill informed opinion at an inappropriate time.

    Stop crying.
    When someone has died its basic manners to have a little tact.

    Are you writing from Victorian England or what? 'Waa waa waa, have some respect, waa waa waa have some manners, waa waa waa, know your place you peasant'.

    So let's get this straight - your 'argument' amounts to 'I benefitted from Thatcher's policies so shut up and show some respect'?

    Brilliant. :D


  • #1639
    who the fug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭who the fug


    space_man wrote: »
    i reckon playboy must be the janitor down at the local Conservative Club.:D

    is there something wrong about working as a janitor:mad:


  • #1640
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Courtesy Flush wrote: »
    Herself along with her economic guru - Milton Friedman.
    Treating people and their communities as merely numbers in a game of Galtian, supply-side, trickle-down bull**** is what got us to the ****in' mess we're in now. Even worse, they were ****in wrong - both Friedman and Greenspan have accepted this. Yet the filthy genie will not be going back in the lamp anytime soon. Too big to fail, ya see. Amazed earlier when some tory twat mentioned how Thatcher was a star for allowing people to own shares in companies like BT etc - we ****in' owned them anyway u moron. The whole country! Think of that next time you open that gas/water/leccy bill, and wonder whether the CEO is worth their £2 million yearly bonus.

    I remember when the electricity got regularly cut off because some union had decided it was time to flex their muscles again.

    one of the best things i think her government brought in was share save schemes for employees, where companies were encouraged to give free shares, or share options to their employees. I know a lot of guys that made a lot of money out of that. not managers or accountants, normal shop floor workers who realised that working hard and helping their company turn a profit was beneficial to them as much as management. That obviously worked both ways though and the management had to work closer with employees.

    in the manufacturing companies i worked for during the eighties and early nineties labour relations improved enormously.


  • #1641
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Courtesy Flush wrote: »
    Her economic polices were crazy.She went totally with her guru Milton Friedman.
    Treating people and their communities as merely numbers in a game of Galtian, supply-side, trickle-down bull**** is what got us to the ****in' mess we're in now. Even worse, they were ****in wrong - both Friedman and Greenspan have accepted this. Yet the filthy genie will not be going back in the lamp anytime soon. Too big to fail, ya see. Amazed earlier when some tory twat mentioned how Thatcher was a star for allowing people to own shares in companies like BT etc - we ****in' owned them anyway u moron. The whole country! Think of that next time you open that gas/water/leccy bill, and wonder whether the CEO is worth their £2 million yearly bonus.

    Yes the whole country owned the likes of BT and a whole heap of industries, which on the whole were making a loss in the 1970s contributing to epic inflation and epic taxation.

    More to the point there is a difference between owning and owning. In a Nationalised Industry, yes the people technically own the industry but they can never profit directly from them. If the Industry performs well then they may see slight knock on benefits. If you own them as a private shareholder then you can see reap direct benefits.

    The key difference is choice. You have none in a Nationalised Industry. The Government owns it and that's that. If it performs terrible, tough luck. You have a choice as a shareholder - whether to buy the shares in first place and when to sell if you've had enough.


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  • #1642
    Grandpa Hassan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭Grandpa Hassan


    Courtesy Flush wrote: »
    Her economic polices were crazy.She went totally with her guru Milton Friedman.
    Treating people and their communities as merely numbers in a game of Galtian, supply-side, trickle-down bull**** is what got us to the ****in' mess we're in now. Even worse, they were ****in wrong - both Friedman and Greenspan have accepted this. Yet the filthy genie will not be going back in the lamp anytime soon. Too big to fail, ya see. Amazed earlier when some tory twat mentioned how Thatcher was a star for allowing people to own shares in companies like BT etc - we ****in' owned them anyway u moron. The whole country! Think of that next time you open that gas/water/leccy bill, and wonder whether the CEO is worth their £2 million yearly bonus.

    It took 6 months to get a phone line put in
    State manufactured cars (British leyland) would break down in weeks
    Unions went on strike at the first sniff of modernising work practice....not caring about the people who got screwed.
    Loss making nationalised industries sucked up taxpayers money. My parents hard earned money.
    Hospitals cut everything....everything.....bar A&E.
    Rubbish piled up in the streets.

    Yup. Pre thatcher days were just peachy.

    And you don't have to be a 'Tory twat' to recognise that.


  • #1643
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Grandpa Hassan wrote: »
    It took 6 months to get a phone line put in
    State manufactured cars (British leyland) would break down in weeks
    Unions went on strike at the first sniff of modernising work practice....not caring about the people who got screwed.
    Loss making nationalised industries sucked up taxpayers money. My parents hard earned money.
    Hospitals cut everything....everything.....bar A&E.
    Rubbish piled up in the streets.

    Yup. Pre thatcher days were just peachy.

    And you don't have to be a 'Tory twat' to recognise that.

    and similarly, thinking that all that stuff needed changing, doesn't make you ro apartheid or pro khmer rouge.


  • #1644
    space_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 663 ✭✭✭space_man


    who the fug wrote: »
    is there something wrong about working as a janitor:mad:


    :eek:


  • #1645
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Playboy wrote: »
    Lol what do mean by deregulate!? That's the question I asked... Simply saying she deregulated is meaningless. Describe how she deregulated it? It was Labour who stripped the Bank of England of its Powers not Thatcher. It was the FSA which Labour set up which failed to regulate which led to the banking crisis. Trying to blame Thatcher is ridiculous.

    I'm not sure what you 'do' in 'de City' but here's a quick lesson, banking deregulation followed from the Big Bang.
    Maggie was hell bent on reform of the financial markets because Britain wasn't getting a big enough share of the pie anymore. Thatcher believed that over regulation was the basis of the problem...so what did she do?...deregulated, thus enabled a frenzy of greed and a race to bust, this frenzy also saw the deregulation of banking which deepened and finally precipatated the current bust.


  • #1646
    Playboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    .....

    I think she did enormous good for the UK economy at a time it badly needed it. She was an elected leader, she wasn't a dictator. She wasn't perfect, she made mistakes like every leader does. What I have an issue with is the sudden appearance of experts who think because they read an article about Thatcher that they have some right to try and paint the woman as a villain on par with Hitler or Stalin. It's ridiculous and there is no justification in any objective reality for the vitriol aimed at her. It's actually sad imo. I've wasted enough time and energy trying to understand this bizarre hatred of her.


  • #1647
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,244 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    bnt wrote: »
    I knew that Mrs. Thatcher had grandchildren, but didn't realise they were already grown up. Amanda, who gave the first reading at the service, is 19, and flew in from the USA for the service. I expect we'll be seeing more of her after this, a la Pippa Middleton. :cool:
    I told you so ... I don't know what that says about me, though. :o

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



  • #1648
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Playboy wrote: »
    I think she did enormous good for the UK economy at a time it badly needed it. She was an elected leader, she wasn't a dictator. She wasn't perfect, she made mistakes like every leader does. What I have an issue with is the sudden appearance of experts who think because they read an article about Thatcher that they have some right to try and paint the woman as a villain on par with Hitler or Stalin. It's ridiculous and there is no justification in any objective reality for the vitriol aimed at her. It's actually sad imo. I've wasted enough time and energy trying to understand this bizarre hatred of her.

    the reason is that her legacy lives on in modern day Tories, currenty implementing her compassionless policies which is why they need fools to raise her to sainthood. Watch out there may be another opportunity for a few Irish to make a shekel or two.


  • #1649
    Playboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I'm not sure what you 'do' in 'de City' but here's a quick lesson, banking deregulation followed from the Big Bang.
    Maggie was hell bent on reform of the financial markets because Britain wasn't getting a big enough share of the pie anymore. Thatcher believed that over regulation was the basis of the problem...so what did she do?...deregulated, thus enabled a frenzy of greed and a race to bust, this frenzy also saw the deregulation of banking which deepened and finally precipatated the current bust.

    The Big Bang didn't deregulate anything... It opened up the city to foreign investors and institutions and broke up the old boys clubs and allowed it to compete internationally again. It's a term people like to use but the Bank of England retained all its powers. No one was given carte blance to engage in previous illegal or risky activity. The city was deregulated under Labour when they replaced the Bank of England's role with the FSA.. Something the Tories are just putting right now. Gordon Brown has even admitted his mistakes in relation the FSA and the regulation of the city. The city of London has made the UK umpteen times more money than it has ever cost it. The rise of the city of London unde Thatcher is the greatest thing to happen to the UK economy in the last 50 years. The city carries the rest of the country and the government knows it hence why they defend it in Europe at all costs.


  • #1650
    Grandpa Hassan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭Grandpa Hassan


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    the reason is that her legacy lives on in modern day Tories, currenty implementing her compassionless policies which is why they need fools to raise her to sainthood. Watch out there may be another opportunity for a few Irish to make a shekel or two.

    It's not her fault that those that have come after don't have a mind of their own. If you're looking for something to blame, blame the weak character of today's politicians. Their inability to be their own man (or woman).

    Hard politics was needed at the time....it was a difficult situation with powerful vested interests that were facing her down. And the majority of Brits would agree that she did what needed to be done


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  • #1651
    Playboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    the reason is that her legacy lives on in modern day Tories, currenty implementing her compassionless policies which is why they need fools to raise her to sainthood. Watch out there may be another opportunity for a few Irish to make a shekel or two.

    Just lol... Not even worth it anymore if this is the level of discussion. Keep moaning while other people keep winning. See how far it gets you.


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