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Maggie Thatcher death discussion thread - Mod rules in first post

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  • #1562
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    Only 2,300 at Thatchers funeral.

    100,000 at Sands funeral


  • #1563
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    gurramok wrote: »
    Only 2,300 at Thatchers funeral.

    Big turnout in leeds
    http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/554569_510262115687650_513420085_n.jpg


  • #1564
    Chocoholic84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭Chocoholic84


    golfball37 wrote: »
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/thatcher-dubbed-all-irish-liars-mandelson-says-591549.html

    Thatcher dubbed all Irish 'liars', Mandelson says


    “She came up to me and she said, ’I’ve got one thing to say to you, my boy … you can’t trust the Irish, they are all liars’, she said, ’liars, and that’s what you have to remember, so just don’t forget it’.

    In fairness, if she was talking in a political capacity, she was dead right :D


  • #1565
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    gurramok wrote: »
    Only 2,300 at Thatchers funeral.

    100,000 at Sands funeral

    And 4000 coppers at both!


  • #1566
    space_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 663 ✭✭✭space_man


    AEDIC wrote: »
    So all Asians = Muslim??

    Never said anything of the sort. Is that little retort the best you can come up with?

    The point I made, as have many others on here, was that she was a racist and a bigot.

    The evidence that has emerged is that she was. Several different independent and disparate sources indicate she was.

    or maybe all these people are just looking for cheap publicity?:rolleyes:


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  • #1567
    Ava_e
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭Ava_e


    Playboy wrote: »
    So you are basing your accusation that she "tried to destroy the poor" on the metric that child poverty rose? So it had nothing to do with the collapse of the unions and the unprofitable subsidised industries that were bankrupting the state?

    I'll ignore the comment on little Englanders as its crass


    If you are smart you will know the deregulation of the banks that Maggie brought in, has had a knock on effect today. We all are living with that crash.




    Her legacy will live on.


  • #1568
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Playboy wrote: »
    So you are basing your accusation that she "tried to destroy the poor" on the metric that child poverty rose? So it had nothing to do with the collapse of the unions and the unprofitable subsidised industries that were bankrupting the state?

    I'll ignore the comment on little Englanders as its crass

    It's funny isn't it, people are desperately trying to find confirmation of their beliefs that she was a racist and a bigot, but it is perfectly acceptable to throw around ignorant generalisations about British people whenever it suits.


  • #1569
    Madam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭Madam


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    It's funny isn't it, people are desperately trying to find confirmation of their beliefs that she was a racist and a bigot, but it is perfectly acceptable to throw around ignorant generalisations about British people whenever it suits.

    If the cap fits;)


  • #1570
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Rascasse wrote: »
    Conspiracy Theory Forum

    I think the idea that she went to war to defend the 'sovereignty and honour of the British nation' is the bigger conspiracy theory in light of the fact that she and her government where negotiating handing the islands over less than two years previously.


  • #1571
    space_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 663 ✭✭✭space_man


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    people are desperately trying to find confirmation of their beliefs that she was a racist and a bigot,

    one doesn't need to search very hard i'm afraid.
    tbh i think much more will emerge now that she's been dispatched. out of respect for the recently departed many former leaders, politicians, statesmen are keeping their counsel.


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  • #1572
    premierstone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    LOL you'd be as well talking to the wall Playboy, some in here don't want to hear a bit of rational reasoning!

    Earth shattering revelations there that Maggie didn't like the Irish.

    We didn't like the English much either for large periods of our history.

    So what if she didn't like us. Sections of our island were trying to kill her. May slightly have coloured her views on us as a country.

    I was in France for the first time in 2001 and nearly every person i encountered was rude to me. The final straw was having my wallet robbed. I didn't particularly like the French much since then. All that being said i doubt anybody in France cares whether i like them or not and more importantly i'm sure the majority of French people are lovely.

    Excellent comparison :rolleyes: Tell me did you issue a shoot to kill policy on all French people at the time??
    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I am no fan of Margaret Thatcher but to be perfectly honest I found the jeering and shouting and protesting to be in very poor taste and disrespectful.

    Regardless of you opinions of her or what type of funeral they gave her we would all to well to think of the man and woman mourning their mother, the grandchildren mourning their grandmother, her friends and family left behind.

    They do not deserve and should have to deal with the kind of behaviour that was displayed at the funeral today.

    Again no big fan but really, it's a funeral of an elderly and very ill woman. A little bit of respect and decency wouldn't go amiss folks.

    I would consider dead as ''very ill'' alright :D

    What kind of funerals did all the poor innocent people that lost their lives in the Falklands and Northern Ireland get??

    People who did not like the women and her actions but who are now showing their repests and say may she rest in peace, arre hypocrites of the highest order in my book, she was an evil hatefull racist wagon and death will not change that.


  • #1573
    R P McMurphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    premierstone wrote: »
    Excellent comparison :rolleyes: Tell me did you issue a shoot to kill policy on all French people at the time??



    I would consider dead as ''very ill'' alright :D

    What kind of funerals did all the poor innocent people that lost their lives in the Falklands and Northern Ireland get??

    People who did not like the women and her actions but who are now showing their repests and say may she rest in peace, arre hypocrites of the highest order in my book, she was an evil hatefull racist wagon and death will not change that.

    True, look up the funeral of Larry Marley for an example of funeral disruption


  • #1574
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,244 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I think the idea that she went to war to defend the 'sovereignty and honour of the British nation' is the bigger conspiracy theory in light of the fact that she and her government where negotiating handing the islands over less than two years previously.

    This ties in to something I've said before, and of which I have to keep reminding people. If you negotiate with the British in good faith, they can be surprisingly amenable. If you try to take things from them by force, they will come down upon you like a ton of bricks, and you can forget about concessions for a long time after that. This mistake was made by the Afrikaners, and Sinn Fein / IRA, and the Indians at first, until Gandhi figured out the non-violent protest deal.

    So, I'm not surprised at the idea that negotiations might have been underway with the Argentinians. They might even have the Falklands / Malvinas by now, had they stuck with it, but by using force, they shot the negotiations down in flames.

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



  • #1575
    Playboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    Ava_e wrote: »
    If you are smart you will know the deregulation of the banks that Maggie brought in, has had a knock on effect today. We all are living with that crash.




    Her legacy will live on.

    I posted this a couple of pages back if you bothered to read.. I didnt get an answer either.
    Playboy wrote:
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    You aren't comparing, you are dismissing criticism of her 'because others are the same or worse'.

    Thatchers deregulation without built in oversight and monitoring (and she was warned about the consequences) allowed the US to dominate the financial markets, leading to the growth of derivative products and the locking together of global economies, it was only a matter of time until those markets succumbed to contagion. The sub prime fiasco could not have happened without the Big Bang.
    The solution to the crisis lies in revoking the freedoms ushered in by Thatcher; more control, oversight and monitoring, which speaks for itself.

    What are you on about? How did she deregulate the city? I work in the city because of Thatcher.. she broke up the old boys clubs, attracted foreign investment and created a fantastically successful industry that has carried Britain for the last 30 years. All those benefit cuts people bang on about well imagine how much they would be without the city of London subsidising the exchequer? New labour abolished the Bank of England's Powers, introduced the FSA (who failed miserably to regulate) and presided over the banking crisis. To say Thatcher had anything to do with the current mess is a load of bollox.


  • #1576
    Playboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    premierstone wrote: »
    Excellent comparison :rolleyes: Tell me did you issue a shoot to kill policy on all French people at the time??



    I would consider dead as ''very ill'' alright :D

    What kind of funerals did all the poor innocent people that lost their lives in the Falklands and Northern Ireland get??

    People who did not like the women and her actions but who are now showing their repests and say may she rest in peace, arre hypocrites of the highest order in my book, she was an evil hatefull racist wagon and death will not change that.

    eh Argentina invaded the Falklands... how are they innocent?


  • #1577
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    R P McMurphy wrote: »
    True, look up the funeral of Larry Marley for an example of funeral disruption

    Or Frank Stagg.


  • #1578
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    bnt wrote: »
    This ties in to something I've said before, and of which I have to keep reminding people. If you negotiate with the British in good faith, they can be surprisingly amenable. If you try to take things from them by force, they will come down upon you like a ton of bricks, and you can forget about concessions for a long time after that. This mistake was made by the Afrikaners, and Sinn Fein / IRA, and the Indians at first, until Gandhi figured out the non-violent protest deal.

    So, I'm not surprised at the idea that negotiations might have been underway with the Argentinians. They might even have the Falklands / Malvinas by now, had they stuck with it, but by using force, they shot the negotiations down in flames.

    Suckers like you have always swallowed that guff when the British ochestrate situations to make them look like good and benign imperialists. Dear god, I can't believe I have just read that in black and white. 'Gallag' in like Flynn thanking it only underlines the fantasitcal hat doffing reality of it though.


  • #1579
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Playboy wrote: »
    I posted this a couple of pages back if you bothered to read.. I didnt get an answer either.

    Answer what? I outlined what happened, your experience doesn't alter that.
    She deregulated the city, which allowed the US to become the dominant force in the financial sector. There was no built in oversight or monitoring and that led to a free for all of what can only be seen as greed which led to pressure on banking regulations etc etc. They all 'failed miserably' to regulate because they where too busy gorging.
    What we are seeing now is attempts to put the lid back on, the 'lid' Maggie took off. (and getting the least well off to pay for the excesses)


  • #1580
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Nodin wrote: »
    Big turnout in leeds
    http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/554569_510262115687650_513420085_n.jpg

    Slightly larger turnout here....don't think they're mourning though
    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/04/17/thatcheration-point/


  • #1581
    AEDIC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭AEDIC


    space_man wrote: »
    Never said anything of the sort. Is that little retort the best you can come up with?

    The point I made, as have many others on here, was that she was a racist and a bigot.

    The evidence that has emerged is that she was. Several different independent and disparate sources indicate she was.

    or maybe all these people are just looking for cheap publicity?:rolleyes:


    Its not a retort so much as a question...the question marks give that away. tbh I am just having trouble piecing together the quantum leaps in time and space that you are making in your posts. :rolleyes:


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  • #1582
    Mr Tibbs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Mr Tibbs


    bnt wrote: »
    This ties in to something I've said before, and of which I have to keep reminding people. If you negotiate with the British in good faith, they can be surprisingly amenable. If you try to take things from them by force, they will come down upon you like a ton of bricks, and you can forget about concessions for a long time after that. This mistake was made by the Afrikaners, and Sinn Fein / IRA, and the Indians at first, until Gandhi figured out the non-violent protest deal.

    So, I'm not surprised at the idea that negotiations might have been underway with the Argentinians. They might even have the Falklands / Malvinas by now, had they stuck with it, but by using force, they shot the negotiations down in flames.
    The peace march's of the late sixties led by John Hume were non violent but were viciously attacked by the RUC and those paragons of democracy The B Specials. They were battened charged while singing We shall overcome. I suppose if they had kept up this campaign we would have a 32 county Ireland now. Maybe some of those peaceful protesters would have to buy new houses as burning Catholic families out of their homes was all the fad back then while the forces of law and order looked on.
    Ghandi was a marvelous man and achieved great success with his peaceful campaign but the game was up for The British Empire and they were glad to surrender to him without bloodshed, anyway the numbers were stacked against them as the Indian people would have turned to violence if Ghandi had failed. They didn't leave Kenya by such peaceful means as the campaign against The Mow Mow freedom movement was extremely violent but in the end they did leave as these were the dying roars of an Empire.


  • #1583
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Nodin wrote: »
    Slightly larger turnout here....don't think they're mourning though
    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/04/17/thatcheration-point/

    Keep posting them, you can be sure the right wing media won't be, we'll be looking at George Osbournes tears for the next century! :rolleyes:

    How come Elton didn't give us a ditty?
    Surely he could have done something tearjerking with this? :)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bitch_Is_Back


  • #1584
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Nodin wrote: »
    Slightly larger turnout here....don't think they're mourning though
    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/04/17/thatcheration-point/

    Every house in the background boarded up.. speaks volumes in itself.


  • #1585
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thank fcuk it's all over now.

    Good riddance to her.


  • #1586
    TheUsual
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭TheUsual


    Good riddance to her.

    Let's just hope the zombie apocalypse never happens.


  • #1587
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    premierstone wrote: »
    Excellent comparison :rolleyes: Tell me did you issue a shoot to kill policy on all French people at the time??



    I would consider dead as ''very ill'' alright :D

    What kind of funerals did all the poor innocent people that lost their lives in the Falklands and Northern Ireland get??

    People who did not like the women and her actions but who are now showing their repests and say may she rest in peace, arre hypocrites of the highest order in my book, she was an evil hatefull racist wagon and death will not change that.

    Jesus, this is rreally disappearing off into a self indulgent fantasy land now!


  • #1588
    Im_a_ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 ✭Im_a_ghost


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    what exactly did this woman do? im not up on the whole english hating thing tbh

    Basicaly she was unfair to the Nothern Irish and put some in prison for some reason I am unsure of all the details but they protested against her by starving themselves to death in the prison and she really didn't give a flying **** that they died. :I


  • #1589
    Weathering
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭Weathering


    No point crying over deceased witch. Ta ra luv


  • #1590
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Now that she has been laid to rest ,this OTT no expense spared funeral might just be the final straw for many because with all the cutbacks seriously affecting not just people on benefits but many working people to ,the climate is right for major social change but it might take something similar to the London riots before we see any change .


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  • #1591
    OCorcrainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 428 ✭✭OCorcrainn


    Well, according to Margaret Thatcher.

    British cabinet minister Peter Mandelson stated in an interview and a conversation he had with Thatcher.

    “It was the day I was appointed Northern Ireland secretary and our paths crossed.

    “She came up to me and she said, ’I’ve got one thing to say to you, my boy … you can’t trust the Irish, they are all liars’, she said, ’liars, and that’s what you have to remember, so just don’t forget it’.

    “With that she waltzed off and that was my only personal exposure to her.”

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...ys-591549.html

    Well now, what do the Thatcher apologists have to say about this racist, arrogant and obnoxious woman? Imagine for example, if the comment was made about jewish people, arab people or black people, we would never hear the end of it.


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