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Breaking:Large explosion at public event in Boston***Mod warning in OP**

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  • #1502
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,290 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Seachmall wrote: »
    It's racial profiling, which isn't the same as racism.

    Presuming one to be guilty or otherwise involved based solely on their ethnicity is perhaps one of the worst forms of racism.

    I doubt that's all there is to it in this case though.


  • #1503
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Thats a point of view imo it is just "legal racism"

    If you heard there was going to be a bomb planted on a plane and were given two suspects, one an elderly white Christian female and the other a 25 year old Saudi-born Muslim, you'd be irrational to suggest they're equally likely the culprit.

    That doesn't make you sexist, ageist, or racist. It means you've a rational and informed opinion on who poses the greatest threat in this situation.


  • #1504
    RebelSoul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 356 ✭✭RebelSoul


    Kold wrote: »
    That first one is still racism.

    Obviously it is. Never said it wasn't.


  • #1505
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    It's not legal.

    Depends where you are, in certain states in the US it is


  • #1506
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 668 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Seachmall wrote: »
    If you heard there was going to be a bomb planted on a plane and were given two suspects, one an elderly white Christian female and the other a 25 year old Saudi-born Muslim, you'd be irrational to suggest they're equally likely the culprit.

    That doesn't make you sexist, ageist, or racist. It means you've a rational and informed opinion on who poses the greatest threat in this situation.

    Or it highlights how the media have manipulated your opinion to believe threats are only likely to come from a certain direction:
    http://elpais.com/elpais/2011/08/16/inenglish/1313472048_850210.html

    QED there are extremists on both sides.


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  • #1507
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    smurgen wrote: »
    watching documantaries. Actively seeing out information is one thing, putting pictues of bodies and injured people on the front of papers and websites is another.

    Not everyone knows the effects of a bomb then do they as they might not have watched the same documentaries as you? You can always not look if it offends you that much, what else were you expecting to be printed in todays papers?


  • #1508
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    Its multicultural Boston, not Hicksville USA; it's a smorgasboard of white, black, brown, yellow, African, European, Asian, mixtures of them all.

    I doubt the crowd picked on the guy purely cause of his colour.

    I was in Boston in September 2001. I saw men of Middle Eastern ethnicity being harassed at those candle light vigils.


  • #1509
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Seachmall wrote: »
    If you heard there was going to be a bomb planted on a plane and were given two suspects, one an elderly white Christian female and the other a 25 year old Saudi-born Muslim, you'd be irrational to suggest they're equally likely the culprit.

    That doesn't make you sexist, ageist, or racist. It means you've a rational and informed opinion on who poses the greatest threat in this situation.

    Despite trying really hard, I can't fathom a realistic situation in which you could have narrowed it down to two suspects, but you know nothing about them apart from their age, race and gender.


  • #1510
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Seachmall wrote: »
    If you heard there was going to be a bomb planted on a plane and were given two suspects, one an elderly white Christian female and the other a 25 year old Saudi-born Muslim, you'd be irrational to suggest they're equally likely the culprit.

    That doesn't make you sexist, ageist, or racist. It means you've a rational and informed opinion on who poses the greatest threat in this situation.

    No it doesnt, it means your judgement has been clouded by media bombardment and recent events. Yeah i admit that my mind might automatically think well its obviously the saudi, but then logic kicks in and i think well it could easily be either.


  • #1511
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,937 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    danniemcq wrote: »
    sister channel, they share feeds and put their own overlay on top

    The sister channel for Sky News is CBS News, not Fox. The graphics were being used from CBS Boston News.

    There website was displayed on the graphics and you can view the latest development's on the bomb's here.

    CBSBoston.com

    Anyway, this is still a horrible attack for those who have been affected. I first saw this on RTE 9 O' Clock News last night; the images appeared to look frightening and distressing. RTE did great coverage last night on their bulletin as it was a developing situation.

    I saw a bit of coverage on Sky News for about 20 minutes; I thought the presenters Martin Stanford and Anna Jones were talking very loud too much, it was very annoying. I went to CNN afterwards and their coverage on that channel was excellent.

    I read on RTE Aertel News this morning that the DFA said all Irish people are reported to have no casualties so far. Although there was a large contingent taking part in the Marathon.

    The DFA assistance phone number is 01 4082000.

    Sky News has also reported that a 8 year old boy was killed in the Marathon. He was named as Martin Richards. The poor lad was killed just when his dad was meant to give him a hug before approaching the finish line. His Mother and Sister were also injured.

    May all those, who were killed so far in the bombs including Martin, R.I.P.


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  • #1512
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Or it highlights how the media have manipulated your opinion to believe threats are only likely to come from a certain direction:
    http://elpais.com/elpais/2011/08/16/inenglish/1313472048_850210.html

    QED there are extremists on both sides.

    I'm not denying there are extremists on both sides.

    But this was an attack against the general population. It wasn't an attack against government buildings or officials, it wasn't an attack against abortion clinics, it wasn't an attack against animal testing facilities, it wasn't an attack against places of worship.

    People attack what they feel is representative of whatever they have a grudge against. The "targets" in this attack are similar to previous Islamic attacks in America and in Europe.

    I'm not saying it must have been an Islamic extremist attack but only that it's certainly not irrational to point out it seems to be most likely that it is.

    VinLieger wrote: »
    No it doesnt, it means your judgement has been clouded by media bombardment and recent events. Yeah i admit that my mind might automatically think well its obviously the saudi, but then logic kicks in and i think well it could easily be either.
    No, it means I recognise this attack, including the target, and the MO, fits that of other attacks carried out by Muslim extremists.


  • #1513
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    The sister channel for Sky News is CBS News, not Fox.

    .

    Aren't both Fox and Sky owned by Murdoch?


  • #1514
    Rented Mule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    Seachmall wrote: »
    If you heard there was going to be a bomb planted on a plane and were given two suspects, one an elderly white Christian female and the other a 25 year old Saudi-born Muslim, you'd be irrational to suggest they're equally likely the culprit.

    That doesn't make you sexist, ageist, or racist. It means you've a rational and informed opinion on who poses the greatest threat in this situation.


    I remember hearing a comment from a police officer in Chicago. 'Sometimes, it is racial profiling. Sometimes it's damn fine police work'.


  • #1515
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Seachmall wrote: »
    No, it means I recognise this attack, including the target, and the MO, fits that of other attacks carried out by Muslim extremists.

    God you would be an awful investigator


  • #1516
    Pacing Mule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,088 ✭✭✭Pacing Mule


    jack presley wrote: »
    Aren't both Fox and Sky owned by Murdoch?

    Both owned by newscorp. Sky news may have agreements in place with CBS to show footage but they are definitely not sister channels. That would be Fox.


  • #1517
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,290 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Seachmall wrote: »
    I'm not denying there are extremists on both sides.

    But this was an attack against the general population. It wasn't an attack against government buildings or officials, it wasn't an attack against abortion clinics, it wasn't an attack against animal testing facilities, it wasn't an attack against places of worship.

    People attack what they feel is representative of whatever they have a grudge against. The "targets" in this attack are similar to previous Islamic attacks in America and in Europe.

    There are attacks on the general population every day in the US. I think it's a mistake to assume that just because a bomb was used in this instance, that it must mean that Muslims are behind it.

    It's really not that difficult to build a device like the ones most likely used, and there's no shortage of all-American nutjobs.


  • #1518
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    VinLieger wrote: »
    God you would be an awful investigator

    There's not an investigative department in the world that doesn't utilise racial profiling.


  • #1519
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Seachmall wrote: »
    There's not an investigative department in the world that doesn't utilise racial profiling.

    True but pretty sure none of them discount every other possibility straight of the bat either


  • #1520
    aristotle25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭aristotle25


    smurgen wrote: »
    " 'These runners just finished and they don’t have legs now': Witnesses recount war zone at Boston Marathon as bombs left 26th mile littered with disembodied limbs and 'shoes with flesh still in them'"

    It's sensationalist rubbish designed to build anger and hate..

    Have you seen the actual photos (the ones not printed in the papers?), the above description doesn't even begin to show how gruesome it was.


  • #1521
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    My name is URL wrote: »
    There are attacks on the general population every day in the US. I think it's a mistake to assume that just because a bomb was used in this instance, that it must mean that Muslims are behind it.

    It's really not that difficult to build a device like the ones most likely used, and there's no shortage of all-American nutjobs.
    I'm not denying the possibility of an Eric Rudolph style bombing, but it is less likely than Islamic extremists.

    Those types of attacks are extremely rare, Islamic ones (while rare) are more persistent.

    VinLieger wrote: »
    True but pretty sure none of them discount every other possibility straight of the bat either
    You'll notice that I never did.


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  • #1522
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Seachmall wrote: »
    I'm not denying the possibility of an Eric Rudolph style bombing, but it is less likely than Islamic extremists.

    Those types of attacks are extremely rare, Islamic ones (while rare) are more persistent.



    You'll notice that I never did.

    Fair enough you didnt.

    But the fact that it doesnt seem to have been a suicide attack does lean the likelihood of who did it toward a domestic attack


  • #1523
    [Deleted User]
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    Seachmall wrote: »
    I'm not denying the possibility of an Eric Rudolph style bombing, but it is less likely than Islamic extremists.
    What do you think the percentages are? Not trying to get on your case just wondering if you think it's more than a 50% chance it was them Muslims and if so why.


  • #1524
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    VinLieger wrote: »
    But the fact that it doesnt seem to have been a suicide attack does lean the likelihood of who did it toward a domestic attack

    Valid point.

    Although neither the Times Square attempted bombing nor the '93 WTC bombing were suicide bombings.

    But suicide bombings would be more indicative of Islamic extremists.


  • #1525
    Dr Silly Bollox MD
    Site Banned Posts: 256 ✭✭Dr Silly Bollox MD





    Lake Stevens runner just feet from blast in Boston

    Carlos Arredondo, Boston Marathon Hero in a Cowboy Hat, on the Bombs


  • #1526
    Jimmy Iovine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,416 ✭✭✭Jimmy Iovine


    In moments like this I really hate Twitter. I found the following comment when I went around doing a search:
    ♡ur mom♡ ‏@yeaitsbieber
    this little 8 year old girl died today running for the newton kids. judging u so hard if u dont rt this.

    That particular tweet has received 4,500 retweets. Job done. Thousands of people now think that a girl died. Some innocent girl has become the poster child of online 'retweet for respect' campaigns. And the above tweeter succeeded in extracting every last retweet out of the contrived situation.

    There are some absolute fools on the internet. It amazes me that people don't bother doing a quick search for information. It would take 20 seconds to find out that it was a boy and not a girl.


  • #1527
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What do you think the percentages are? Not trying to get on your case just wondering if you think it's more than a 50% chance it was them Muslims and if so why.

    I'd just be pulling numbers out of my arse.

    My leaning towards Muslims is due to the lack of a specific target and the climate we live in.

    McVeigh primarily attacked Government buildings, Kevin Harpham (a white supremecist) attacked Civil Rights marches on MLK day, Kaczynski primarily attacked "futurist" related organisations (universities, computer stores etc.).

    Islamic extremists typically just look to maximise damage without targetting any one organisation or group specifically.

    There are other bombers who seem to just want to maximise damage either for their own enjoyment or for a cause that isn't immediately obvious but they are rare. Most bombings in America, and in Europe, like this in recent times have been as a result of Islamic extremists.

    Obviously this is all speculation, but my point is that it's not irrational.


  • #1528
    Solair
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    Dodd wrote: »
    This is him.

    The poor guy should have been seen by a doctor as he seems to be in shock.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pWHHWB3Jr60

    I don't get why someone isn't just giving him a hug and getting him something warm to drink. The poor guy needs more than an interview on someone's camera / phone!

    He's looks to be in a state of pretty serious shock. Apart from front line emergency workers, very few people are equipped to deal with what he's just seen and done.

    Just shows you though, despite the minority of evil, psychopathic scum who commit atrocities like this, the world is full of great people like this guy who genuinely care and are willing to do whatever it takes to save someone else.

    Even in the most horrendous situations people like him show what being human is for most of us!

    Total hero!


  • #1529
    Rabidlamb
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    Danny Baker Twitter
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    Danny Baker ‏@prodnose

    Disgusting news from USA. Tragically, in 70s & 80s you couldnt drink in many Boston bars without putting money into a bucket for "the cause"

    :eek:


  • #1530
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    Rabidlamb wrote: »
    Danny Baker Twitter
    https://twitter.com/prodnose



    :eek:

    Only a matter of time before northern Ireland was dragged into it.


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  • #1531
    Witchie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭Witchie


    Well with so much blood on their hands and having committed similar atrocities they are obviously going to be compared to this. Not saying of course it is anything to do with our stupid lot. Just comparable tactics.


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