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Maggie Thatcher death discussion thread - Mod rules in first post

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  • #1262
    NTMK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭NTMK


    true wrote: »
    The elderly woman was 8 years out of power then.:rolleyes:

    irrelevant she was still influential within conservative circles who could have lobbied for pinochets release

    the fact that she openly supported him when there was no UK interests involved is even worse again
    At least in 2006 when Pinochet died, she was not like our serving Taoiseach in 1945 going to the German embassy and expressed condolences on the death of Hitler, as the world was witnessing the horror of the concentration camps not long liberated!

    WTF does dev have to do with this?
    I've already told you what i think of him


  • #1263
    true
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    karma_ wrote: »
    So when Gerry Adams gets old your opinion of him will automatically switch?

    not automatically switch, no.


    And I said the British p.m. would be correct in also having a cup of tea with Adams.

    Incidentally Adams has changed over the past few decades , I'll say that for him.


  • #1264
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    true wrote: »
    Its putting things in context. Having a cup of tea with someone 8 years after you leave power is different to ....

    It doesn't really put anything into context. Nobody here seems to be tripping over themselves to defend the more controversial actions and decisions of de Valera the same way you are to defend Thatcher.

    It's possible to see both good and bad in people.. so I've no idea why you seem to be unwilling to accept that Thatcher had her bad points. Even those closest to her would attest to the fact that she wasn't always that great or intelligent.


  • #1265
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    Nodin wrote: »
    One might say that he was, given he wanted to stay on but couldn't get the backing.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/02/23/report-chiles-pinochet-wanted-anti-vote-violence/1941493/
    After peacefully stepping down in 1990, Pinochet continued to serve as Commander-in-Chief of the Chilean Army until 10 March 1998, when he retired and became a senator-for-life in accordance with the 1980 Constitution
    Well you could say deposed then of Major/Blair/Brown/Ahern etc. etc.


  • #1266
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    NTMK wrote: »
    where was the uk polictical interest when she called for pinochet's release in 1998?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/304516.stm

    Her disgusting display of support for the piece of **** insults every single Chilean that had to endure his dictatorship

    and then to say he brought democracy to Chile. :rolleyes:


    its disturbing that there are people that are so willingly able to sweep her support of this war criminal underneath the carpet to hide the fact she wasn't anything more than a morally bankrupt pathetic excuse for a human being POLITICIANS

    FYP


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  • #1267
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    Well you could say deposed then of Major/Blair/Brown/Ahern etc. etc.

    Cherry picking your quotes there.


  • #1268
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Says the master of cherry picking.


  • #1269
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Says the master of cherry picking.

    Come to snipe have we?


  • #1270
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Yes, I am following your lead, I mean its not like you don't have a track record at sniping & cherry picking.

    Annoying, isnt it.


  • #1271
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Yes, I am following your lead, I mean its not like you don't have a track record at sniping & cherry picking.

    Annoying, isnt it.


    So you're saying that Pinochet didn't want to hang on to power......?


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  • #1272
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Says the master of cherry picking.
    LordSutch wrote: »
    Yes, I am following your lead, I mean its not like you don't have a track record at sniping & cherry picking.

    Annoying, isnt it.

    This is the yardstick that is used to gauge who is on the losing side of a debate. The ad homs start.


  • #1273
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Nodin wrote: »
    So you're saying that Pinochet didn't want to hang on to power......?

    this http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84140683&postcount=1247


  • #1274
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    karma_ wrote: »
    This is the yardstick that is used to gauge who is on the losing side of a debate. The ad homs start.

    Are you related to him?


  • #1275
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Are you related to him?

    Keep it up, it's really helping your side of the argument.


  • #1276
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LordSutch wrote: »
    this http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84140683&postcount=1247


    ...but I've already shown that "brought democracy" thing is a nonsense. He went because the military wouldn't back him anymore. Are you saying those security files are untrue? Please make your case.


  • #1277
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Karma, You are not Nodin.


  • #1278
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Karma, You are not Nodin.

    I'd imagine hes aware of that. Would you mind responding to post 1276 please?


  • #1279
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Nodin wrote: »
    I'd imagine hes aware of that. Would you mind responding to post 1276 please?

    If you want answers to your Pinochet questions I suggest you put them to True or other such posters who know
    about Maggies relationship with him. I don't answer your questions anymore.

    Ha, like a double act you two ;)


  • #1280
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LordSutch wrote: »
    If you want answers to your Pinochet questions I suggest you put them to True or other such posters who know
    about Maggies relationship with him. I don't answer your questions anymore.

    Ha, like a double act you two ;)

    If you know nothing about the subject why are you presenting another posters answer as some statement of fact?

    It rather looks like disagreement for disagreements sake.


  • #1281
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    LordSutch wrote: »
    If you want answers to your Pinochet questions I suggest you put them to True or other such posters who know
    about Maggies relationship with him. I don't answer your questions anymore.

    Ha, like a double act you two ;)

    The 'I'm going to take my ball and go home!' strategy. Always popular around some parts. Well played there LS.


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  • #1282
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LordSutch wrote: »
    see post #1279 "If you want answers to "your" Pinochet questions I suggest" . . . . .

    I've answered that already.


  • #1283
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    This is the main thrust of what I think on the subject, Pinochet apart.

    1979 the Winter of discontent, Britain was on its knees > then Mrs Thatch arrives.

    Loved and loathed in equal amounts across Ireland and Britain. Arch enemy of the IRA, Colonel Gadaffi, the Argintine Junta, and of course the miners and their unions with Arthur (three shredded wheat) Scargill as their beligerant mouthpiece!

    Mrs Thatch palyed hard ball and won every time. At the same time she gave so many people in Britain the chance to buy the council houses, she threw out the old industries and brought in the new, she transformed Britain from the winter if discontent (James Callaghan) to 'Loads a money' and Privitisation whilst also putting many people out of work from the old industries . . . . . .

    From one extreme to the other, loved and loathed.

    Personally I thought it good that she played hard ball with the Provo's, because that's all they understaood, (they killed her friend Airey Neave, Lord Mountbatten, and they nearly killed her in Brighton), so I can totally understand her hard ball attitude to the IRA, same goes for General Leopoldo Galtieri and the rest of the Argentine Junta, although I still have reservations about the sinking of the Belgrano.

    Thought Adams was a bit quick with his comments today, (but then he was her arch enemy), and I guess Scargill will be toasting
    her departure too with a glass of bubbly (along with many ex miners and their families) in the North of England.

    Many in the City of London & middle England will of course mourn her passing, but I think everybody who remembers her reign as British PM
    will have an opinion on one of the most powerful & visionary leaders of recent World history.


  • #1284
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LordSutch wrote: »
    ..

    Mrs Thatch palyed hard ball and won every time.....

    The problem with that is the destruction wreaked. Every time.


  • #1285
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    The mental gymnastics people will perform so as not to have their idols tarnished. One wonders if these goons would be ordering the police to beat the daylights out of people for not doffing the cap to the elite given half the chance.

    Some slaves are glad of their chains.


  • #1286
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    Nodin wrote: »
    So you're saying that Pinochet didn't want to hang on to power......?

    Are you saying that Major/Blair/Brown/Ahern etc. didn't?


  • #1287
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    Are you saying that Major/Blair/Brown/Ahern etc. didn't?

    By asking the army to ignore a decision of the electorate....?


  • #1288
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    40841492468460808139205.jpg


  • #1289
    md23040
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭md23040


    In the history of Prime Ministers, Presidents etc that have been in power for near ten years, has there ever been one not embroiled in some sort of distasteful controversy?


  • #1290
    Rhys Essien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    CONSPIRACY ALERT!!

    Ding Dong only makes no2 in the charts.It was 5,000 copies short.

    Did the Tories have the kids buying up 'Duke Dumont' ???


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  • #1291
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    md23040 wrote: »
    In the history of Prime Ministers, Presidents etc that have been in power for near ten years, has there ever been one not embroiled in some sort of distasteful controversy?


    Ye'd be hard pushed to find one thats been in so many though.


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