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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,370 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Elceeney wrote: »

    My history teacher says that examiners despise essays that are extremely long and they penalize heavily.

    'Select and reject' is a major skill for History. If there's too much in the essay, the person is showing very poor grasp of this skill. That's why very long essays lose marks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭Elceeney


    user.name wrote: »
    On our rsr booklet at the front it has the amount of words in your extended essay only to put in. It doesn't include the word count of the entire booklet just the essay itself
    Well, all I know is they give you one page for evaluation of source. I don't know about you but I don't fit 600 words into one page.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 Free2be


    does anyone know if you can do two books as sources in your rsr???? like if one is an auto biohgraphy and the other is just a book about the person by someone years later?? is that ok?? if not i have to resort to the internet as a source so i dont know what to do!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭Parawhore.xD


    Free2be wrote: »
    does anyone know if you can do two books as sources in your rsr???? like if one is an auto biohgraphy and the other is just a book about the person by someone years later?? is that ok?? if not i have to resort to the internet as a source so i dont know what to do!!!

    Yeah that's perfect! The only requirement is that at least one of your sources is a book, so two is optimal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 DonallFitz


    With the evaluation of the sources...what did people say? Did you give two strengths and weaknesses for each source?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭MightyMandarin


    Hi guys I'm currently in 5th year and thinking of doing the seeking of ARA Belgrano during the Falklands War. Possibly taking an angle like asking if Margaret Thatcher is a war criminal? or The Argentine or Brittish reaction to the sinking? Any thoughts? Thanks


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 351 ✭✭matTNT


    Hi guys I'm currently in 5th year and thinking of doing the seeking of ARA Belgrano during the Falklands War. Possibly taking an angle like asking if Margaret Thatcher is a war criminal? or The Argentine or Brittish reaction to the sinking? Any thoughts? Thanks


    Sounds interesting, if you're going down that route be VERY fair in your argument, if you are going down one angle then it really will make you look biased. It's also a very narrow topic, how much can you write on it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭MightyMandarin


    matTNT wrote: »
    Sounds interesting, if you're going down that route be VERY fair in your argument, if you are going down one angle then it really will make you look biased. It's also a very narrow topic, how much can you write on it?
    I think doing the Argentine Response would be a safer angle on it whilst still not leaving myself open to similar projects as I say most who'd do the Belgrano would take the British side of the story. Anyways my History teacher thinks it's a great idea so I'll roll with that. Now to find some sources


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    DonallFitz wrote: »
    With the evaluation of the sources...what did people say? Did you give two strengths and weaknesses for each source?
    Sorry - only spotted this now

    the evaluation of sources should be along the lines of

    - is it a primary or secondary source
    - was it written by a recognised historian
    - is it biased
    - how useful was it to you
    - was it easy to understand etc.

    its getting a bit late now but you can find some help here -
    http://leavingcerthistory.net/research-projects/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭Appleblossom42


    Also re:Word count, 2000+ is way too much and it will be obvious when you write it out that it's too long, our teacher says you don't get penalised unless you go over 1,600 but that they're pretty savage after that, 10 marks for every 100/200 you're over? Like 1599 words is 'okay' but a touch dodgy.

    I find this extremely hard to believe. I know the person who was awarded the highest score in history in the leaving cert in 2011. Had over 2100 words. I think it depends on what or who you write about, in some cases it'd be absolutely impossible in 1500 words.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭Parawhore.xD


    I find this extremely hard to believe. I know the person who was awarded the highest score in history in the leaving cert in 2011. Had over 2100 words. I think it depends on what or who you write about, in some cases it'd be absolutely impossible in 1500 words.

    That's what my class was told and to be honest if you can get the highest mark in the country and totally ignore the word count then I don't see why they bother having it. Either way if you're given a word count I reckon you should stick to it. You shouldn't pick a subject matter that you can't adequately deal with within the word count. Maybe it doesn't matter at all but maybe it does. And going too far over the word count wasn't something I personally was willing to risk. If you do and it pays off then fair play.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 351 ✭✭matTNT


    Gonna call you on that. Everyone in our class had over 2000 words. Last year our teacher said it was the same and there was 3 A1s in that class of 8.

    It's not a rule it's a recommendation. Read the rules. They don't award marks for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭Parawhore.xD


    matTNT wrote: »
    Gonna call you on that. Everyone in our class had over 2000 words. Last year our teacher said it was the same and there was 3 A1s in that class of 8.

    It's not a rule it's a recommendation. Read the rules. They don't award marks for it.

    Okay fair enough then I'll freely admit I haven't read the rules for the project I was just going by what my class teacher told me, her words were 'you're fine until you reach 1600 then you start being penalized 10 marks for 100 words you go over the word count' clearly it was just a scare tactic then if that's the case.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 351 ✭✭matTNT


    'you're fine until you reach 1600 then you start being penalized 10 marks for 100 words you go over the word count' clearly it was just a scare tactic then if that's the case.

    Bull Sh*t :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭Parawhore.xD


    matTNT wrote: »
    Bull Sh*t :)

    Are you saying what my teacher said is BS or the fact that I've just said it probably was just a scare tactic is BS?
    I've just freely admitted that I could be wrong, but I have no reason to give information I thought was incorrect. How do you know you teacher wasn't just saying your word count was fine to calm your fears or whatever?
    You don't but at the same time of course you're going to put more faith into what your teacher said than some random individual on the Internet, as am I.
    So I'll quite happily agree to disagree as my project is signed and sealed and there's nothing more I can do about it now. I guess we'll see in August, good luck to you in your exams bud :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭Appleblossom42


    Are you saying what my teacher said is BS or the fact that I've just said it probably was just a scare tactic is BS?
    I've just freely admitted that I could be wrong, but I have no reason to give information I thought was incorrect. How do you know you teacher wasn't just saying your word count was fine to calm your fears or whatever?
    You don't but at the same time of course you're going to put more faith into what your teacher said than some random individual on the Internet, as am I.
    So I'll quite happily agree to disagree as my project is signed and sealed and there's nothing more I can do about it now. I guess we'll see in August, good luck to you in your exams bud :)

    I took it that the BS was for your teacher saying the penalty would be 10 marks for every 100 you go over. That'd be some insane penalty:eek:
    Well good luck to everybody, hope you all get what you deserve whether over or not.:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 351 ✭✭matTNT


    Are you saying what my teacher said is BS

    Sorry, should clarify. I was just confirming what you were saying that your teacher might just be using this as a scare tactic. There is no relation between mark and word counts. It would be impossible for 3 people to have got A1s and written 2200+ words.


    I also know a history teacher and he marked the exam in 2010/11, he said that they are told to ignore word counts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭Parawhore.xD


    matTNT wrote: »
    Sorry, should clarify. I was just confirming what you were saying that your teacher might just be using this as a scare tactic. There is no relation between mark and word counts. It would be impossible for 3 people to have got A1s and written 2200+ words.


    I also know a history teacher and he marked the exam in 2010/11, he said that they are told to ignore word counts.

    Well then fair enough! :)
    My teacher has a tendency to exaggerate anyway, I know it seems like an an unreal penalty alright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 143 ✭✭An Ard Ri


    I did my history project on the Limerick Soviet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerick_Soviet) as it was obsceure and not in any of the proscribed histrory texts.

    I did my Leaving Cert a good few years ago so not sure what the syllabus is like now.

    Hope this helps a bit.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,370 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Well then fair enough! :)
    My teacher has a tendency to exaggerate anyway, I know it seems like an an unreal penalty alright.

    Why do you think they mention a word count if it doesn't matter at all?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 351 ✭✭matTNT


    spurious wrote: »
    Why do you think they mention a word count if it doesn't matter at all?

    So they don't get people handing in a 10,000 word thesis, putting in extra lines by splitting them in half.

    My last post is actually incorrect I said that the markers were told to ignore them, this is true, unless the candidate splits the lines etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭Parawhore.xD


    spurious wrote: »
    Why do you think they mention a word count if it doesn't matter at all?

    Oh no I do think it matters, if nothing else it shows a student's editorial ability- you know, recognizing what is and isn't relevant and find the most concise and effect manner of delivering their message while still being coherent.

    I do however, after reading some opinions on this, think perhaps that the penalty for going too far over the word count has been exaggerated by my teacher.

    If the SEC are outlining a word count, that should be your target and if they're serious about it there should be penalties for going too far over, 500+ words for example like has been mentioned here. However if students aren't getting penalized for it, and if they can write a better essay if they ignore the word count, then of course they should write the best possible essay they can.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 dylannolan


    Hey i'm in 5th year and trying to come up with a project idea for history because we've been asked to have done something for the summer exams and i've been thinking about maybe doing something about a musician or band and their impact, or my friend gave me an idea to do something about Andy Warhol and his impact but I don't really know if this is good enough for a project?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    dylannolan wrote: »
    Hey i'm in 5th year and trying to come up with a project idea for history because we've been asked to have done something for the summer exams and i've been thinking about maybe doing something about a musician or band and their impact, or my friend gave me an idea to do something about Andy Warhol and his impact but I don't really know if this is good enough for a project?
    If you want to do something music related then I would suggest something specific -

    The Live Aid concert
    Jimi Hendrix at Woodstock
    Buddy Holly's death
    The shooting of John Lennon
    The Beatles in Ireland
    etc

    Or if you want to try classical music -
    Mozart's Requiem
    etc

    Be a little careful about Andy Warhol and his impact - it is quite a braod topic and may not be easy to write.

    You might find some ideas here -
    http://leavingcerthistory.net/research-projects/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 dylannolan


    If you want to do something music related then I would suggest something specific -

    The Live Aid concert
    Jimi Hendrix at Woodstock
    Buddy Holly's death
    The shooting of John Lennon
    The Beatles in Ireland
    etc

    Or if you want to try classical music -
    Mozart's Requiem
    etc

    Be a little careful about Andy Warhol and his impact - it is quite a braod topic and may not be easy to write.

    You might find some ideas here -
    http://leavingcerthistory.net/research-projects/
    .

    Buddy Holly or John Lennon would be pretty interesting :) I was also thinking about Nirvanas impact on 90s society. Since they were so different and influenced so many.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭Jijsaw


    Hello :)
    My brother is in TY at the moment and is adamant that he will write something related to wrestling. The only problem is I don't know if there is any historically significant event in wrestling that could be used as your history project. Does anybody know of any events that happened in history that could be used for the history project?
    Thanks in advance!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭Susie120704


    If it was within the date parameters he could do the evolution of the WWE as a cultural phenomenon. For global history it need to be before 1993. A difficulty he will encounter is finding a book written on it by a historian


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Gweedling


    The point in history where it turned from a legit combat sport to the "sports entertainment" theatre it has become today would be a good subject. Happened sometime in the 50s IIRC, I can't remember names at all, but apparently the reason it started was because there was one guy, champion for 8-10 years or so, as nobody could beat him. Eventually it was decided that a match would be fixed, so he could give up the title and retire.

    As far as the evolution of the industry itself, the "Montreal screw job" is pivotal in the creation of what the sport became. It widened the audience's eyes to more "behind the scenes" stuff, and understanding more of the theatre behind the whole thing, instead of just a fighting competition. It also was a catalyst in what became the "attitude" era, making professional wrestling more mainstream and famous, instead of the cult following it had beforehand.


    I just had a read of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_professional_wrestling - good read, and contradicts what I thought about the origin of "staged" wrestling. Either way, still a good topic to write a history lesson on!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,370 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Does he mean 'real' wrestling, as in the ancient sport, or the dancing men in tights abomination from today?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭icanplaydrums


    I would imagine most of the big developments would have happened in the late 90s and like someone said already, finding a source by a historian would be difficult.


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