Short prison sentences? Blame Ivana Bacik!!!

Robroy36 · 13-04-2013 02:12PM

opti0nal wrote: »

We're already been condemned internationally for our inhumane prison conditions.

OK, just say we agree to lock anyone up for the slightest infraction, to do so for a very long time and to treat them very badly. Just as they do in the USA. How does that benefit society?

It would keep the scum off the streets.

As for cuts - zero entertainment. No confectionary. Porridge for two meals of the day. Less heating.

The King of Moo · 13-04-2013 02:12PM

DarkJager wrote: »

Why should we spend big money on prisoners? Prison should be a place that any logical person would avoid at all costs. It wouldn't bother me at all to have them sleeping on the floor, pissing in a pot and getting meals of stale bread and water compared to the hotel standard rooms with flat screen TVs they get these days. Prison should be about punishment, not a holiday camp.

Would it bother you when criminals emerged from such prisons even worse than before? It's so well-established that overly-harsh prison conditions only harden criminals that I don't know why people keep suggesting that Ireland's low crime rate would become even lower with more and tougher prison sentences. Unless some people just enjoy the thought of criminals being tortured.

Prison is about punishing criminals, keeping them away from the public and ensuring they don't reoffend. All of these things can be accomplished simultaneously. We don't have to choose
between torture chambers or holiday camps.

Robroy36 · 13-04-2013 02:14PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

Would it bother you when criminals emerged from such prisons even worse than before? It's so well-established that overly-harsh prison conditions only harden criminals that I don't know why people keep suggesting that Ireland's low crime rate would become even lower with more and tougher prison sentences. Unless some people just enjoy the thought of criminals being tortured.

Prison is about punishing criminals, keeping them away from the public and ensuring they don't reoffend. All of these things can be accomplished simultaneously. We don't have to choose
between torture chambers or holiday camps.

I'd be open to mild torture.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-04-2013 02:15PM

Robroy36 wrote: »

No, cut the standard of service drastically.

You haven;t commented on the standards yet - you said you wante privitisatino of the judicial system and longer sentences.

Odysseus · 13-04-2013 02:17PM

Robroy36 wrote: »

It would keep the scum off the streets.

As for cuts - zero entertainment. No confectionary. Porridge for two meals of the day. Less heating.

These things are just not going to happen thankfully. Actually even though the current system is very poor, it is actually only going to improve over time to a certain extent. As the rehabilitative context grows over time.

Why would you say less heating?

The King of Moo · 13-04-2013 02:19PM

Robroy36 wrote: »

I'd be open to mild torture.

For which crimes exactly, and what would this torture achieve? How would society benefit from it?
I ask this last question, because I feel that someone happy with tortured hardened criminals being released into society probably doesn't care about the well-being of his fellow people, putting such people among them.

Would you also be open to refuting the evidence which shows that your ideas would only make things worse for a lot of people, or do you only speak in Daily Mail headlines?

Amirani · 13-04-2013 02:37PM

Robroy36 wrote: »

It would keep the scum off the streets.

As for cuts - zero entertainment. No confectionary. Porridge for two meals of the day. Less heating.

Why do you think your system would work better than the one in place at present? Do you have an evidence to back up your proposed methods?

Perhaps people with some training in criminology and psychology would be better placed to make these decisions than you?

opti0nal · 13-04-2013 02:40PM

Robroy36 wrote: »

It would keep the scum off the streets.

People who drop chewing gum?

Robroy36 wrote: »

As for cuts - zero entertainment. No confectionary. Porridge for two meals of the day. Less heating.

The confectionery is bought with money they get for being well behaved or doing cleaning. If you mistreat the prisoners, you'll need more prison officers to keep order and if they are injured by the prisoners who you've de-humanised, we'll be faced with big compensation claims from the prison officers.

You need a whole working plan: all I hear from you is 'more punishment'.

DrumSteve · 13-04-2013 02:50PM

Robroy36 wrote: »

I'd be open to mild torture.

Ah now your having a laugh.

Gee Bag · 13-04-2013 03:22PM

Robroy36 wrote: »

I'd be open to mild torture.

Excellent,

Get your gimp suit on I'll be over with the whip and the nipple clamps in ten minutes.

goose2005 · 13-04-2013 03:29PM

Robroy36 wrote: »

It would keep the scum off the streets.

As for cuts - zero entertainment. No confectionary. Porridge for two meals of the day. Less heating.

So basically, you go with the American option of taking in 18-year-old petty criminals who could be rehabilitated, and then brutalising them for a few years and release them as violent, mentally-scarred psychopaths?

What's wrong with a bit of entertainment? Games help to lower tensions, work off aggression. TV keeps prisoners quiet and occupied.

WayneMolloy · 13-04-2013 03:54PM

professore wrote: »

She spoke to my year on abortion back in college in the early 90's. I didn't like her then and still don't. Nothing to do with the subject maturer btw. I especially didn't like the way she assumed everyone agrees with her. An ivory tower academic if there ever was one.

She got rejected by the electorate three times, got elected to the senate by trrinity students and now calls for gender quotas.

You would think she would take the hint.

Imagine being Czech, probably the best looking people in Europe and looking like that.

She lost.

The King of Moo · 13-04-2013 03:59PM

WayneMolloy wrote: »

She got rejected by the electorate three times, got elected to the senate by trrinity students and now calls for gender quotas.

You would think she would take the hint.

Imagine being Czech, probably the best looking people in Europe and looking like that.

She lost.

What does her appearance have to do with anything?

Very childish stuff.

hatrickpatrick · 13-04-2013 04:33PM

^ Let's not get deflected by silly tangents. None of that changes the fact that she's an absolute hypocrite and politically speaking an incredibly nasty and sexist individual. I say politically speaking because we all know someone whose political views are detestable but who's actually cool socially. Who knows. That's all irrelevant - when discussing politics, she's a gobsh!te of the highest order in my view.

St.Spodo · 13-04-2013 05:38PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

^ Let's not get deflected by silly tangents. None of that changes the fact that she's an absolute hypocrite and politically speaking an incredibly nasty and sexist individual. I say politically speaking because we all know someone whose political views are detestable but who's actually cool socially. Who knows. That's all irrelevant - when discussing politics, she's a gobsh!te of the highest order in my view.

Which of her political views are ''incredibly nasty''?

Robroy36 · 13-04-2013 05:43PM

As regards torture, I would be interested in looking at torture for convicted paedophiles and murders.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-04-2013 05:44PM

Robroy36 wrote: »

As regards torture, I would be interested in looking at torture for convicted paedophiles and murders.

I notice you seem to be completly ignorant the the criticism of your little ideas from numerous sources, so I'm probably wasting my time even asking this, but: how exactly does the above make society a safer place?

mikom · 13-04-2013 05:46PM

Robroy36 wrote: »

As regards torture, I would be interested in looking at torture for convicted paedophiles and murders.

37 posts.
Controversial/ batshit insane opinions.
I smell a rereg.

Robroy36 · 13-04-2013 05:47PM

Yes, numerous liberal, left wing sources. Parasites who are best ignored and better off dead.

Fattes · 13-04-2013 05:47PM

People are constantly wondering judges are passing lenient prison sentences. Who on earth actively campaign for a reduction in the lenght of terms? Ivan Bacik does!!!

Ivan Bacik was recently filmed in the Oireachtas expounding her theory that prison sentences infringe on an individuals right to "constitutional right to liberty". This woman is trying to destroy Irish society and put criminals back on the street. I believe she is a reprehensible disgrace and should be removed from public office at once.

What do Boardsie's think? Do you think an individuals right to liberty should be conserved even in the face of considerable criminal charges? Is Bacik taking her left wing, socialist ideals to far?

I dont remember her ever holding the Minister for Justice office in this state and creating policy that has led to our current prison system of judicial sentencing but what every makes you happy to believe.

opti0nal · 13-04-2013 05:57PM

Robroy36 wrote: »

As regards torture, I would be interested in looking at torture for convicted paedophiles and murders.

What kind of emotions do you feel when you think about people being tortured? Do you find it exciting?

emo72 · 13-04-2013 05:59PM

Ivana Bacik. Why are you still here?

Nobody wants you.

Nobody cares about what you care about.

Three times we passed judgement on you.

Yet you keep coming back?

Ivana Bacik, please make Ireland a better place, by retiring from public life.

Robroy36 · 13-04-2013 06:00PM

Not in the least. It would be harsh but fair treatment for people that have ended and destroyed other peoples lives. Simple as that.

I would be happy with an hour of water boarding a day for the mandatory 30 year term for their crimes.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-04-2013 06:11PM

Robroy36 wrote: »

Yes, numerous liberal, left wing sources. Parasites who are best ignored and better off dead.

I'm glad you played the liberal card - it makes all criticism of sensible policies look pathetic an ill-founded.

Robroy36 wrote: »

Not in the least. It would be harsh but fair treatment for people that have ended and destroyed other peoples lives. Simple as that.

I would be happy with an hour of water boarding a day for the mandatory 30 year term for their crimes.

And now I'm with the rereg theory. Who were you originally?

anncoates · 13-04-2013 06:19PM

hfallada wrote: »

Ivana Bacik has an opinion on everything.

How dare she.

DrumSteve · 13-04-2013 06:19PM

Robroy36 wrote: »

Not in the least. It would be harsh but fair treatment for people that have ended and destroyed other peoples lives. Simple as that.

I would be happy with an hour of water boarding a day for the mandatory 30 year term for their crimes.

If you knew anything about waterboarding you'd know about 2 minutes at most does the job. Chris Hitchens did a great essay on it.

opti0nal · 13-04-2013 06:21PM

Robroy36 wrote: »

I would be happy with an hour of water boarding a day for the mandatory 30 year term for their crimes.

What kind of people would we need to recruit to administer it? It seems to me that you'd need to be a heartless psychopath, with no empathy, physically fit and with a flair for violence. Where do we find such people?

Seems a bit OTT for dropping chewing gum on the footpath.

Would it not be simpler to buy more street cleaning equipment to scrape the scum off the street?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-04-2013 06:26PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

If you knew anything about waterboarding you'd know about 2 minutes at most does the job. Chris Hitchens did a great essay on it.

Does what job? I don't think Roy is suggesting using it as a means of extracting highly dubious information.

phoenix0250 · 13-04-2013 06:27PM

Despite being so unpopular on this forum, or even in the country, the woman does have a point, everyone has the right to freedom, and should he/she commit a crime (or an error/mistake in the society), why should he/she be punished by the said society? Although, the society should indeed be able to banish the person for their transgressions to some other society or environment of the person's choosing. Simply throwing them in a hole (prison) is a waste of life, and is a testament to how uncivilized the society truly is.

Of course, all you self-appointed guardians of the status quo cannot comprehend this as hardly anyone has the ability or will to step outside the ideologies, values artifacts etc. of the current society you live in. Condescending as it may be, you must understand that a "criminal" isnt always bad nor needs to be punished...imagine living in Germany or Stalinist Russia, where race, religion or even advanced thinking was a crime.

PhlegmyMoses · 13-04-2013 06:33PM

phoenix0250 wrote: »

Despite being so unpopular on this forum, or even in the country, the woman does have a point, everyone has the right to freedom, and should he/she commit a crime (or an error/mistake in the society), why should he/she be punished by the said society? Although, the society should indeed be able to banish the person for their transgressions to some other society or environment of the person's choosing. Simply throwing them in a hole (prison) is a waste of life, and is a testament to how uncivilized the society truly is.

Of course, all you self-appointed guardians of the status quo cannot comprehend this as hardly anyone has the ability or will to step outside the ideologies, values artifacts etc. of the current society you live in. Condescending as it may be, you must understand that a "criminal" isnt always bad nor needs to be punished...imagine living in Germany or Stalinist Russia, where race, religion or even advanced thinking was a crime.

We've gotten rid of prisons.

Man sexually abuses multiple children.

What do you do with this person?

Go.

Short prison sentences? Blame Ivana Bacik!!!

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