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Maggie Thatcher death discussion thread - Mod rules in first post

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  • #992
    srm23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭srm23


    what does that lad who rides all the Octogenerians think about this passing?


  • #993
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    delthedriver wrote: »
    ................

    A little respect ,please.


    Respect is earned.

    Secondly, "respect" in this instance seems to mean 'a silence in which we can lionise'.


  • #994
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    delthedriver wrote: »
    Baroness Thatcher was an elderly lady, daughter, wife, mother & grandmother.

    The tone of Pro IRA , Anti British feeling in this thread is disgusting.

    It is completely disrespectful to dance on anyone's grave.

    A little respect ,please.


    She herself was responsible for plenty of deaths so tbh if people don't want to show her repect that's their choice.

    Why respect someone when they are dead if you didn't respect them when they were alive?


  • #995
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    Heh, I just noticed he posted the same thing in another Thatcher thread. We already have mods to fingerwag and keep order, delthedriver, if you see something out of order then report it.


  • #996
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    delthedriver wrote: »
    Baroness Thatcher was an elderly lady, daughter, wife, mother & grandmother.

    The tone of Pro IRA , Anti British feeling in this thread is disgusting.

    It is completely disrespectful to dance on anyone's grave.

    A little respect ,please.

    Lots of bad people were mothers, daughters etc

    How dare you make us dissenters out to be IRA or dancing on the grave? :mad:

    Millions will be spent on the cermonial funeral, millions which could be spent on saving the A&E units in my part of London - closures of which will result in deaths. Millions of which could be spent on keeping the hundreds of libraries closing the length and breadth of the UK.

    Have a little respect for the people of the UK who don't buy into the cannonisation of the worst leader in this country's history :mad:


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  • #997
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    old hippy wrote: »
    Lots of bad people were mothers, daughters etc

    Absolutely everyone ever has had relatives. In this case, though, her parents and husband and sister are dead and her children were not close to her, lived abroad and didn't even visit her while she was ill. She died in the company of her staff members. The appeal to think of her poor family falls flat, I'm afraid.


  • #998
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    extra gravy wrote: »
    You're right, it's far more interesting to sit back and criticise rather than offer viable alternatives which justify the criticism.

    Ok, I wouldn't have given support to Pinochet, the Khmer Rouge, I would have been very vocal against apartheid and entered into serious discussion with the rights of the hunger strikers, for starters.

    Disgusting support for someone who destroyed communities and promoted selfishness.


  • #999
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    delthedriver wrote: »
    Baroness Thatcher was an elderly lady, daughter, wife, mother & grandmother.

    The tone of Pro IRA , Anti British feeling in this thread is disgusting.

    It is completely disrespectful to dance on anyone's grave.

    A little respect ,please.

    What do you think of her support for Saddam while he was gassing thousands of civilians?

    Or her support for Pinochet who murdered/disappeared 30,000 or so Chileans?

    Maybe you should show some respect for those victims instead of standing up for someone who supported those atrocities.


  • #1000
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    Nodin wrote: »
    Respect is earned.

    Secondly, "respect" in this instance seems to mean 'a silence in which we can lionise'.

    Never expected any respect from Sinn Fein IRA.

    They never showed any respect to people , dead or alive ,during their campaign of terrorism


  • #1001
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    delthedriver wrote: »
    Never expected any respect from Sinn Fein IRA.

    They never showed any respect to people , dead or alive ,during their campaign of terrorism


    ....and that has what to do with what, exactly...?


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  • #1002
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    delthedriver wrote: »
    The tone of Pro IRA , Anti British feeling in this thread is disgusting.

    But people all over the world are saying similar things.. are they all pro-IRA & anti-British too?

    Or is trotting out that crap just the best way you can think of to silence others?


  • #1003
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    delthedriver wrote: »
    Never expected any respect from Sinn Fein IRA.

    They never showed any respect to people , dead or alive ,during their campaign of terrorism

    Who is "they", exactly? Sinn Fein? The IRA? Both completely different entities.

    Are you going to show any respect to the millions who's lives were damaged as a direct result of Thatcher's policies even unto this day?


  • #1004
    smileyj1987
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭smileyj1987


    delthedriver wrote: »
    A little respect ,please.

    Why do think people should show her repect in death ?

    Alot of people in the UK are celebrating her death and happy she is gone . So it says alot about her in my eyes .

    RESPECT IS EARNED , she didn't earn in alot of peoples eyes .


  • #1005
    dupeters
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭dupeters


    apples and bananas people
    apples and bananas


  • #1006
    extra gravy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,464 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    old hippy wrote: »
    Ok, I wouldn't have given support to Pinochet, the Khmer Rouge, I would have been very vocal against apartheid and entered into serious discussion with the rights of the hunger strikers, for starters.

    Disgusting support for someone who destroyed communities and promoted selfishness.

    Where did I say I supported her?! As I said, I was only interested in hearing what people would have done differently in her position. That doesn't constitute "disgusting support" last time I checked.


  • #1007
    dirtyden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭dirtyden


    old hippy wrote: »
    Who is "they", exactly? Sinn Fein? The IRA? Both completely different entities.

    Are you going to show any respect to the millions who's lives were damaged as a direct result of Thatcher's policies even unto this day?

    Whilst I agree with the sentiment of your post, I cannot let that go! To say Sinn Fein and the IRA are completely different entities is akin to calling Maggie a socialist.


  • #1008
    brokenarms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭brokenarms


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST4MV3ETQ-g

    This is fairly good and rounds it up nicely .


  • #1009
    dupeters
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭dupeters


    brokenarms wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST4MV3ETQ-g

    This is fairly good and rounds it up nicely .

    love it but this guy is a loon remember celebrity big brother he was acting like a cat:)


  • #1010
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    old hippy wrote: »
    Who is "they", exactly? Sinn Fein? The IRA? Both completely different entities.

    Ha ha that's a joke.


  • #1011
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Ha ha that's a joke.


    No. This was though, intentionally or otherwise.....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84097042&postcount=972


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  • #1012
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I'm embarrassed not just for LordSutch but for the internet as a whole


  • #1013
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Nodin wrote: »
    No. This was though, intentionally or otherwise.....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84097042&postcount=972

    Oi, leave it out, that is a brilliant ode, leave it alone and make your own!


  • #1014
    Weathering
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭Weathering


    --Kaiser-- wrote: »
    I make you sick? The strongest emotion you induce in me is pity. Once you target innocent people instead of soldiers then you are a terrorist. People like to whitewash over nasty bits of history (e.g. people calling Mandela a 'saint') but I'm not having it

    The sickening bigoted behaviour is here for all to see. Kaiser has been talking about terrorists sickening behaviour over the last few days. And upon his own definition of what a terrorist is"stated above in quote" I brought to his attention bloody sunday in derry where british troops opened fire and killed innocent civilians many of who were in their teens. On several occasions I have pointed this out to him but he continues to ignore it. He responded today but yet again he completely ignored what he said. No doubt tomorrow he will be bashing "terrorists" again but as always he'll be wearing his blinkers when it comes to the british army who fit the bill of terrorists using his own definition of what a terrorist is


  • #1015
    delthedriver
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    Lingua Franca wrote: »
    Heh, I just noticed he posted the same thing in another Thatcher thread. We already have mods to fingerwag and keep order, delthedriver, if you see something out of order then report it.

    Gosh, I am not finger wagging! I am like everyone else entitled to express my opinion. Perhaps in voicing my thoughts I am also trying to bring some balance to the debate, which at this point is very heavily weighted in one direction.
    Finally I have made no attempt to Mod., nor am I apologising for having an opposing viewpoint.:)


  • #1016
    true
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    K-9 wrote: »
    the IRA was depicted as terrorists
    thats because they were terrorists, and recognised as such by every democratic government in the world. Even in this country they killed/ murdered people, inc members of the Gardai.


  • #1017
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    true wrote: »
    thats because they were terrorists, and recognised as such by every democratic government in the world. Even in this country they killed/ murdered people, inc members of the Gardai.
    I'm did try to find a better cliché than this but failed..

    'one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    What i mean is the term terrorist is very vaguely defined and so open to misinterpretation or revision that it is fairly meaningless.


  • #1018
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    true wrote: »
    thats because they were terrorists, and recognised as such by every democratic government in the world. Even in this country they killed/ murdered people, inc members of the Gardai.

    ...whom the British GOv said they would never deal with. The duplicitious woman just deceased, being the greatest advocate of 'Never, never never' was meeting them in secret!

    'Terrorist' is just an establishment PR moniker thrown around to influence the ignorant and easily led. The state will use exactly the same murderous tactics when they have to, ask the mothers of dead Afghani or Iraqui children about that, for starters.


  • #1019
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    true wrote: »
    thats because they were terrorists, and recognised as such by every democratic government in the world. Even in this country they killed/ murdered people, inc members of the Gardai.

    Correct. The IRA were indeed recognised by both the Irish and British Governments as terrorists. They were an illegal organisation , with no political mandate , who murdered innocent people including members of the Garda Siochana.


  • #1020
    true
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    Weathering wrote: »
    No doubt tomorrow he will be bashing "terrorists" again but as always he'll be wearing his blinkers when it comes to the british army who fit the bill of terrorists using his own definition of what a terrorist is

    Over the decades of the troubles close to half a million people served in the security forces in N. ireland. More than that were targeted because they supplied the security forces, or were retired from it. Given the extemely low numbers of people killed by the security forces, relative to their numbers, and despite severe provocation / stress, nobody could claim it was a "terrorist" force, especially as it was the armed force of a democratically elected EC country. There were actually more Irish people in it than in the IRA. Terrorists they were not. As a visitor to N. I in the 80's and 90's I always found them friendly, professional and courteous anyway. More so than our own Gardai and customs and excise.


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  • #1021
    NuckingFacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    People would come out of this looking better if the old adage "Never speak ill of the dead" was followed. It's an old adage for a reason. Mainly because speaking ill of the dead shows a severe lack of class. She's dead. Leave it alone. There's loads of the living to get stuck into.


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