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Attempted Abduction of a child - Father lets the abductor walk

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  • #32
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,417 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Madam_X wrote: »
    Was this guy's "OH" with him? And if the abductor did a legger lightning fast while you were getting your child back, then no you wouldn't. Do anything.

    ":rolleyes:"

    Did you read the link?

    "British police are attempting to find a man who tried to snatch a three-year-old girl from her parents in the Canary Islands"


  • #33
    RUSTEDCORE
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 514 ✭✭✭RUSTEDCORE


    Rasmus wrote: »
    Investigating officer Detective Constable John Swallow

    theres more than 1 victim here




    Serious note; possibly thought man was trying to help initially
    shouldve smashed his head on rocks at beach


  • #34
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,417 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'll tell you what's rubbish; because you think you'd react this way, the way the father who was actually in the situation reacted was wrong.

    If he had beaten the crap out the guy, I wouldn't for second think he was wrong, and I don't think what he did was wrong either. What's wrong, is someone making out he is a bad guy for not beating up the man.

    Let me know when you've started a thread on the abductor please;)


  • #35
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,417 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Seachmall wrote: »

    But of course you're unique. You do know how you'd react. Right?

    Right.


  • #36
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 53,068 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Let me know when you've started a thread on the abductor please;)

    I see you've run out of arguments then.

    Grand job.


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  • #37
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,417 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I see you've run out of arguments then.

    Grand job.


    No problem.

    I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you as you just want to simply do that - argue for the sake of it.


  • #38
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    A 3 year old seeing her father getting into a violent confrontation which could have seen him injured or worse would have more an effect then being abducted. As she probably was not aware of what was happening.


  • #39
    RUSTEDCORE
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 514 ✭✭✭RUSTEDCORE


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I see you've run out of arguments then.

    Grand job.

    whoops he was giving his opinion not arguing
    You told him his opinion is wrong but by definition it cannot be

    this is a forum btw... people do tend to give their opinions especially if op starts off as such


  • #40
    Rasmus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Rasmus


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Right.

    Do you have a child? If so, are you saying that you are confident that in such a situation, you would assault the abductor in front of your child?
    Then, if so, is that because of
    a) you just couldn't help yourself or
    b) this is your pre-meditated plan in this exact eventuality?


  • #41
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    If he had time to batter the guy (as in, if the guy was still standing there after the father had gotten back his child and moved her sufficiently away from the abductor) then I wouldn't blame him. But the likelihood that the abductor would still be standing there, as we all know, is very low.
    What would the child do while her dad was battering another man, by the way? Three years old and in that vulnerable position? Not advisable.
    Nobody knows what they "would" do in such a situation when everything is happening so fast and emotions are so fraught. So yep it's wrong of a person to say they know exactly what they'd do. No they dont.
    vicwatson wrote: »
    I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you as you just want to simply do that - argue for the sake of it.
    Nnnnnno, that's what you're doing.


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  • #42
    chris_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭chris_ie


    Easy to say you would do this and that when you havent experienced a similar situation.

    I'd imagine that the OH if she was there would have been looking elsewhere, they would have likley split up to look for their child instead of both looking in the same place. Therefore when he finds the child if he goes back to give her to the OH, by then the abductor is gone.

    If he doesnt go back and give his OH the child, but proceeds to beat the crap out of the abductor, his child will have witnessed her loving kind father do something violent and possibly be afraid of him or at least see him differently from then on.

    Also, by beating the daylights out of the abductor he could end up getting arrested and charged with GBH or whatever with there being possibly no proof that the man attempted to abduct the child.

    If he did react that way I doubt many would hold it against him, but to say he *should* have reacted that way is wrong.


  • #43
    RUSTEDCORE
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 514 ✭✭✭RUSTEDCORE


    Madam_X wrote: »
    If he had time to batter the guy (as in, if the guy was still standing there after the father had gotten back his child and moved her sufficiently away from the abductor) then I wouldn't blame him. But the likelihood that the abductor would still be standing there, as we all know, is very low.
    What would the child do while her dad was battering another man, by the way? Three years old and in that vulnerable position? Not advisable.
    Nobody knows what they "would" do in such a situation when everything is happening so fast and emotions are so fraught. So yep it's wrong of a person to say they know exactly what they'd do. No they dont.

    He later confronted the man at the beach (verbally)


  • #44
    ABajaninCork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    At least he had the sense to take a photo. It'll make finding the scumbag much easier...


  • #45
    Gringo180
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    Where are the photos of the abductor, you would think they would of published them along with the story!!


  • #46
    ABajaninCork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    See here.. The guy even posed for it - fool!


  • #47
    vicwatson
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    ABajaninCork wrote: »
    See here.. The guy even posed for it - fool!

    Perhaps he's a sandwich short of a picnic, either way...........


  • #48
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    John the baptist wrote: »
    A few years back (I was about 17 at the time) I was in the local supermarket when I started noticing a small child who was maybe 3 years old wandering on their own. It was probably the third time that I saw them that I really started to look to see if there was anyone with the child but I couldn’t see anyone looking for them in the aisle close. I tried to talk to the child asking is your mammy or daddy near but got no sense out of them so I decided I’d bring the child to the information/reception desk and get them to make anannouncement. Just as I was getting to the desk a man ran at me and grabbed up the child and started roaring all sorts of abuse at me. I almost passed out with embarrassment even though I was doing nothing wrong.

    Luckily for me he didn’t get the notion to kick the shyte out of me.


    Similar situation myself a few years back, except it was in a hospital and I came across a small child wandering in the corridor. I picked her up to take her to reception, and next thing the mother came back around the corner. I'll never forget the look on her face as the two of us were frozen to the spot and only then I realised what was going through her head!

    She grabbed the child off me and I can remember thinking "Well if you're going to look at me like I'm a pedophile, you're the idiot that took your eyes off your child in the first place!".

    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    A 3 year old seeing her father getting into a violent confrontation which could have seen him injured or worse would have more an effect then being abducted. As she probably was not aware of what was happening.


    And while the OP is distracted beating seven colors out of the abductor, another opportunist abductor will make off with the child who was just left standing there.


    I say the same to my wife any time she comments on how packed a shopping centre is or whatever and how easy it would be for someone to make off with our child- In my head I'm thinking "quit with the dramatics", but I tell her "never mind eyeballing everyone else, keep your eyes on (our son) and he won't go anywhere and nobody can take him. It's when you're eyeballing everyone else that someone you don't see will see their opportunity!".


  • #49
    [Deleted User]
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    Better to get out of the situation than risk getting beaten up and the man take the child.


  • #50
    token101
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    Czarcasm wrote: »
    It's when you're eyeballing everyone else that someone you don't see will see their opportunity!".

    It's the shapeshifting pedophiles that scare me. I remember watching this TV programme one time where Gary Linekar said that pedophiles were now dressing as schools to abduct children. Terrifying.


  • #51
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    token101 wrote: »
    It's the shapeshifting pedophiles that scare me. I remember watching this TV programme one time where Gary Linekar said that pedophiles were now dressing as schools to abduct children. Terrifying.


    Was that on that by now famous "Brass Eye" programme? :pac:

    I've still never actually seen it, must youtube it at some stage, watched "To Catch a Predator" alright, can't remember what channel it used be on, but it wouldn't have been out of place on Paramount Comedy!

    "Would you like to take a seat over there?" :pac:


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  • #52
    December2012
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    A 3 year old seeing her father getting into a violent confrontation which could have seen him injured or worse would have more an effect then being abducted. As she probably was not aware of what was happening.

    Eh, no.


  • #53
    anncoates
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    token101 wrote: »
    It's the shapeshifting pedophiles that scare me. I remember watching this TV programme one time where Gary Linekar said that pedophiles were now dressing as schools to abduct children. Terrifying.

    That was truly the golden age of pedo fear.


  • #54
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    December2012 wrote: »
    Eh, no.


    The child won't remember being lead from the shop, she may have remembered her dad fighting with some guy though.

    If the abduction was successful, thats another thing all together.


  • #55
    allibastor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭allibastor


    vicwatson wrote: »
    "The victim's father noticed she was missing, left a store and spotted the youngster being led around a corner into an alleyway by a man, who was holding her by the hand. He shouted out and ran up to his daughter, pulling her away from the man who then left the scene"

    I'd have battered 7 shades of sh1te out of him and asked questions later..

    Story in the Indo

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/man-sought-in-lanzarote-kidnap-case-29187401.html

    I wonder was it Old hippy who left him go. He might have asked for a diagnosis of him first.


  • #56
    Grand Moff Tarkin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Grand Moff Tarkin


    Get your child back first and foremost. If you get a chance to have a "chat" with the would be abductor later on than take it and make sure that person sees the errors of trying to lead a small child away.


  • #57
    granturismo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭granturismo


    Something wrong with the timeline here, the incident allegedly happened in January 2012 and The UK Police were looking for a suspect yesterday according to the The Courier,
    Police investigating child abduction bid on Lanzarote issue photo of man

    By Press Association, 10 April 2013 12.05pm.

    but the Indo said someone was arrested yesterday?


  • #58
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    hardCopy wrote: »
    Attacking the abductor sounds a great idea until he wins the fight and leaves you on the floor watching him run off with your child.

    Stop trying to spoil vicwatsons "I am Bruce Lee" fantasy.

    Unless, this happens at the beginning of the daydream and then he spends the rest of the fantasy tracking him down for bloody revenge...


  • #59
    [Deleted User]
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    Lollipops23 wrote: »
    I completely understand why he didn't immediately lay into him when he initially got his daughter back-relief and shock would render me a hysterical mess tbh!

    Not sure why he didn't try to apprehend him later on at the beach-at least keep him in the one spot until police arrived! Unless the suspect was an imposing/threatening character....

    He was... apparently on both occasions the man was suspected of carrying a club in his pants.


  • #60
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    In my experience the only priority the parent of an abducted or missing child has is the safe return of the child.


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  • #61
    scdublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 643 ✭✭✭scdublin


    I 100% understand that getting his child to safety was the most important thing to do when he realised what was going on. He was undoubtedly in complete shock himself.

    I'm not sure I would have let him walk away so easily the second time seeing him though. If the police were on the way, I think (you never know) that I'd do everything I could to prevent him from leaving again.


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