Attempted Abduction of a child - Father lets the abductor walk

vicwatson

"The victim's father noticed she was missing, left a store and spotted the youngster being led around a corner into an alleyway by a man, who was holding her by the hand. He shouted out and ran up to his daughter, pulling her away from the man who then left the scene"

I'd have battered 7 shades of sh1te out of him and asked questions later..

Story in the Indo

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/man-sought-in-lanzarote-kidnap-case-29187401.html

Seachmall

When your child goes missing getting your child back and keeping them safe is presumably the priority.


Beating another man to death in front of them probably would be counterproductive in that instance.


Although I wouldn't be entirely opposed to to a bit of street justice.

vicwatson

Seachmall wrote: »

When your child goes missing getting your child back and keeping them safe is presumably the priority.


Beating another man to death in front of them probably would be counterproductive in that instance.


Although I wouldn't be entirely opposed to it.

I'd have my OH remove the child then batter the sh1te out of him:rolleyes:

I gather you've never actually been in that exact situation before, so therefore you know fcuk all about what you would do.

But hey, let's make out the Dad is the one in the wrong in this story, makes much more sense.

Nodin

He was probably in abject terror and not thinking straight.

sfwcork

the guy in the description sounds like marty whelen

Hanley

"Hero dad saves child from abductor"

But sure.. why worry bout facts.

anncoates

I can't be sure what I'd do in the shock (and relief) of the situation but I've a sinking feeling I'd do something stupid.

Is it something you want your child to see though? And battering somebody is actually more likely to get you in trouble than the would-be abducter.

To be honest, I hate these shoulda-woulda violence porn threads.

A Primal Nut

He didn't let the abductor walk. He took photos, called the police and there is a good chance of him being caught.

As for violently attacking him - did you think that maybe the abductor might be physically stronger than him?

hooradiation

vicwatson wrote: »

"The victim's father noticed she was missing, left a store and spotted the youngster being led around a corner into an alleyway by a man, who was holding her by the hand. He shouted out and ran up to his daughter, pulling her away from the man who then left the scene"

I'd have battered 7 shades of sh1te out of him and asked questions later..

Story in the Indo

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/man-sought-in-lanzarote-kidnap-case-29187401.html

Easy there Mr Mitty.
You know how this kind of excitement can set you off one your episodes.

Rasmus

The dad in question did exactly the right thing. He removed his daughter from the situation, and later secured photographic evidence of the abductor. Beating him up and going about the rest of your hols with a sense of satisfaction will not prevent a further child abduction crime from being comitted.

Lollipops23

I completely understand why he didn't immediately lay into him when he initially got his daughter back-relief and shock would render me a hysterical mess tbh!

Not sure why he didn't try to apprehend him later on at the beach-at least keep him in the one spot until police arrived! Unless the suspect was an imposing/threatening character....

anncoates

A Primal Nut wrote: »

As for violently attacking him - did you think that maybe the abductor might be physically stronger than him?

Good point.

God knows what would happen if the would be abducter beat you up instead and rendered you incapable of protecting your kid.

hardCopy

Attacking the abductor sounds a great idea until he wins the fight and leaves you on the floor watching him run off with your child.

Rasmus

hardCopy wrote: »

Attacking the abductor sounds a great idea until he wins the fight and leaves you on the floor watching him run off with your child.

+1k

HondaSami

A Primal Nut wrote: »

He didn't let the abductor walk. He took photos, called the police and there is a good chance of him being caught.

As for violently attacking him - did you think that maybe the abductor might be physically stronger than him?

''The family were on the beach a short time later and saw the same man, who spoke fluent English, sitting between some rocks and acting suspiciously.

The victim's father confronted the suspect, but he left the scene before police arrived. But the quick-thinking family took photos of the man, which have been released by police in an attempt to identify him''.

He did let him walk away at the time, it was later he seen him on the beach. My natural instinct would be to lash out at him at the time.

vicwatson

Deleted User wrote: »

I gather you've never actually been in that exact situation before, so therefore you know fcuk all about what you would do.

But hey, let's make out the Dad is the one in the wrong in this story, makes much more sense.

And you have? Tell us about it?

vicwatson

vicwatson wrote: »

And you have? Tell us about it?

Nope, I haven't, so I wouldn't have a clue how I would react, not a flippin iota.

HondaSami

anncoates wrote: »

Good point.

God knows what would happen if the would be abducter beat you up instead and rendered you incapable of protecting your kid.

hardCopy wrote: »

Attacking the abductor sounds a great idea until he wins the fight and leaves you on the floor watching him run off with your child.

Rasmus wrote: »

+1k

The child was safe when he seen him later on the beach, i think it would be natural for him to want to hold onto him until the police arrived and give him a few digs.

anncoates

HondaSami wrote: »

The child was safe when he seen him later on the beach, i think it would be natural for him to want to hold onto him until the police arrived and give him a few digs.

I think people were talking about during the initial abduction attempt.

SEPT 23 1989

After the initial relief of getting your daughter back subsided

then the beating would start

vicwatson

Deleted User wrote: »

Nope, I haven't, so I wouldn't have a clue how I would react, not a flippin iota.

I've been in horrendous situations though, most people's worst nightmare infact, and I reacted one particular way - someone else would most likely have acted entirely differently, but I certainly wouldn't call them out as being wrong.

Ah sure perhaps the abductor was making a mistake in taking the wrong child...not a chance......if I saw him walking off with my child there is only one thing going on....simples.....I'd ask questions later

anncoates

vicwatson wrote: »

Ah sure perhaps the abductor was making a mistake in taking the wrong child...not a chance......if I saw him walking off with my child there is only one thing going on....simples.....I'd ask questions later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PtvLTZS4Ik

LETHAL LADY

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/uk/police-investigating-child-abduction-bid-on-lanzarote-issue-photo-of-man-1.83319

Link with photo of suspect.

vicwatson

vicwatson wrote: »

Ah sure perhaps the abductor was making a mistake in taking the wrong child...not a chance......if I saw him walking off with my child there is only one thing going on....simples.....I'd ask questions later

Who says the child wasn't being abducted?

You think you would react one way, think.

Noone knows how they would react in that situation except a person who as been in that situation, and even then - they only know how they would react which still gives them no idea how someone else would react.

You started a thread about a Dad not beating the crap out of a child abductor, not about the child abductor himself. That's just madness.

John the baptist

A few yearsback (I was about 17 at the time) I was in the local supermarket when I startednoticing a small child who was maybe 3 years old wandering on their own. It was probably the third time that I saw themthat I really started to look to see if there was anyone with the child but I couldn’tsee anyone looking for them in the aisle close. I tried to talk to the childasking is your mammy or daddy near but got no sense out of them so I decided I’dbring the child to the information/reception desk and get them to make anannouncement. Just as I was getting to the desk a man ran at me and grabbed upthe child and started roaring all sorts of abuse at me. I almost passed outwith embarrassment even though I was doing nothing wrong.

Luckily forme he didn’t get the notion to kick theshyte out of me..

vicwatson

Deleted User wrote: »

Who says the child wasn't being abducted?

You think you would react one way, think.

Noone knows how they would react in that situation except a person who as been in that situation, and even then - they only know how they would react which still gives them no idea how someone else would react.

You started a thread about a Dad not beating the crap out of a child abductor, not about the child abductor himself. That's just madness.

Rubbish, if I see a stranger walking off with my 3 year old, I'm not stopping to ask questions, this is how I would react....and I'll ask questions later. No one has aright to take someone else's child by the hand to lead them away from their parents....oh no...I'd be asking questions later.

Every parents nightmare to see this happen, and every parent has at least once thought about how they'd react in this situation.

Feel free to start your own thread about the child abductor;)

vicwatson

John the baptist wrote: »

A few yearsback (I was about 17 at the time) I was in the local supermarket when I startednoticing a small child who was maybe 3 years old wandering on their own. It was probably the third time that I saw themthat I really started to look to see if there was anyone with the child but I couldn’tsee anyone looking for them in the aisle close. I tried to talk to the childasking is your mammy or daddy near but got no sense out of them so I decided I’dbring the child to the information/reception desk and get them to make anannouncement. Just as I was getting to the desk a man ran at me and grabbed upthe child and started roaring all sorts of abuse at me. I almost passed outwith embarrassment even though I was doing nothing wrong.

Luckily forme he didn’t get the notion to kick theshyte out of me..

Yeh or even more lucky you didn't take them out of the shop and around the corner and up an alleyway away from their parents.

You'd have been in trouble then

Different situation altogether

Madam_X

vicwatson wrote: »

I'd have my OH remove the child then batter the sh1te out of him:rolleyes:

Was this guy's "OH" with him? And if the abductor did a legger lightning fast while you were getting your child back, then no you wouldn't. Do anything.

":rolleyes:"

Seachmall

vicwatson wrote: »

every parent has at least once thought about how they'd react in this situation.

Everybody has imagined how they'd react in a dangerous situation, or a violent one, or what they'd do when they see clear injustices done.

And everybody imagines, and hopes, that they'd do the right thing, that they'd fend off the attacker, that they'd help the victim and so on.

But not everybody does. Just because you imagine yourself to be Bruce Lee doesn't mean you are. You have no idea what emotions would over come you. You have no idea what your thought process would be. You have no idea how you'd react.

Imagination is great but using it as a basis to predict real world responses is foolish, and using it to judge others' reactions is prickish.

But of course you're unique. You do know how you'd react. Right?

vicwatson

vicwatson wrote: »

Rubbish, if I see a stranger walking off with my 3 year old, I'm not stopping to ask questions, this is how I would react....and I'll ask questions later. No one has aright to take someone else's child by the hand to lead them away....oh no...I'd be asking questions later.

Every parents nightmare to see this happen, and every parent has at least once thought about how they'd react in this situation.

I'll tell you what's rubbish; because you think you'd react this way, the way the father who was actually in the situation reacted was wrong.

If he had beaten the crap out the guy, I wouldn't for second think he was wrong, and I don't think what he did was wrong either. What's wrong, is someone making out he is a bad guy for not beating up the man.

vicwatson

Madam_X wrote: »

Was this guy's "OH" with him? And if the abductor did a legger lightning fast while you were getting your child back, then no you wouldn't. Do anything.

":rolleyes:"

Did you read the link?

"British police are attempting to find a man who tried to snatch a three-year-old girl from her parents in the Canary Islands"

RUSTEDCORE

Rasmus wrote: »

Investigating officer Detective Constable John Swallow

theres more than 1 victim here




Serious note; possibly thought man was trying to help initially
shouldve smashed his head on rocks at beach

vicwatson

Deleted User wrote: »

I'll tell you what's rubbish; because you think you'd react this way, the way the father who was actually in the situation reacted was wrong.

If he had beaten the crap out the guy, I wouldn't for second think he was wrong, and I don't think what he did was wrong either. What's wrong, is someone making out he is a bad guy for not beating up the man.

Let me know when you've started a thread on the abductor please;)

vicwatson

Seachmall wrote: »

But of course you're unique. You do know how you'd react. Right?

Right.

vicwatson

vicwatson wrote: »

Let me know when you've started a thread on the abductor please;)

I see you've run out of arguments then.

Grand job.

vicwatson

Deleted User wrote: »

I see you've run out of arguments then.

Grand job.

No problem.

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you as you just want to simply do that - argue for the sake of it.

Micky Dolenz

A 3 year old seeing her father getting into a violent confrontation which could have seen him injured or worse would have more an effect then being abducted. As she probably was not aware of what was happening.

RUSTEDCORE

Deleted User wrote: »

I see you've run out of arguments then.

Grand job.

whoops he was giving his opinion not arguing
You told him his opinion is wrong but by definition it cannot be

this is a forum btw... people do tend to give their opinions especially if op starts off as such

Rasmus

vicwatson wrote: »

Right.

Do you have a child? If so, are you saying that you are confident that in such a situation, you would assault the abductor in front of your child?
Then, if so, is that because of
a) you just couldn't help yourself or
b) this is your pre-meditated plan in this exact eventuality?

Madam_X

If he had time to batter the guy (as in, if the guy was still standing there after the father had gotten back his child and moved her sufficiently away from the abductor) then I wouldn't blame him. But the likelihood that the abductor would still be standing there, as we all know, is very low.
What would the child do while her dad was battering another man, by the way? Three years old and in that vulnerable position? Not advisable.
Nobody knows what they "would" do in such a situation when everything is happening so fast and emotions are so fraught. So yep it's wrong of a person to say they know exactly what they'd do. No they dont.

vicwatson wrote: »

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you as you just want to simply do that - argue for the sake of it.

Nnnnnno, that's what you're doing.

chris_ie

Easy to say you would do this and that when you havent experienced a similar situation.

I'd imagine that the OH if she was there would have been looking elsewhere, they would have likley split up to look for their child instead of both looking in the same place. Therefore when he finds the child if he goes back to give her to the OH, by then the abductor is gone.

If he doesnt go back and give his OH the child, but proceeds to beat the crap out of the abductor, his child will have witnessed her loving kind father do something violent and possibly be afraid of him or at least see him differently from then on.

Also, by beating the daylights out of the abductor he could end up getting arrested and charged with GBH or whatever with there being possibly no proof that the man attempted to abduct the child.

If he did react that way I doubt many would hold it against him, but to say he *should* have reacted that way is wrong.

RUSTEDCORE

Madam_X wrote: »

If he had time to batter the guy (as in, if the guy was still standing there after the father had gotten back his child and moved her sufficiently away from the abductor) then I wouldn't blame him. But the likelihood that the abductor would still be standing there, as we all know, is very low.
What would the child do while her dad was battering another man, by the way? Three years old and in that vulnerable position? Not advisable.
Nobody knows what they "would" do in such a situation when everything is happening so fast and emotions are so fraught. So yep it's wrong of a person to say they know exactly what they'd do. No they dont.

He later confronted the man at the beach (verbally)

ABajaninCork

At least he had the sense to take a photo. It'll make finding the scumbag much easier...

Gringo180

Where are the photos of the abductor, you would think they would of published them along with the story!!

ABajaninCork

See here.. The guy even posed for it - fool!

vicwatson

ABajaninCork wrote: »

See here.. The guy even posed for it - fool!

Perhaps he's a sandwich short of a picnic, either way...........

Czarcasm

John the baptist wrote: »

A few years back (I was about 17 at the time) I was in the local supermarket when I started noticing a small child who was maybe 3 years old wandering on their own. It was probably the third time that I saw them that I really started to look to see if there was anyone with the child but I couldn’t see anyone looking for them in the aisle close. I tried to talk to the child asking is your mammy or daddy near but got no sense out of them so I decided I’d bring the child to the information/reception desk and get them to make anannouncement. Just as I was getting to the desk a man ran at me and grabbed up the child and started roaring all sorts of abuse at me. I almost passed out with embarrassment even though I was doing nothing wrong.

Luckily for me he didn’t get the notion to kick the shyte out of me.

Similar situation myself a few years back, except it was in a hospital and I came across a small child wandering in the corridor. I picked her up to take her to reception, and next thing the mother came back around the corner. I'll never forget the look on her face as the two of us were frozen to the spot and only then I realised what was going through her head!

She grabbed the child off me and I can remember thinking "Well if you're going to look at me like I'm a pedophile, you're the idiot that took your eyes off your child in the first place!".

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

A 3 year old seeing her father getting into a violent confrontation which could have seen him injured or worse would have more an effect then being abducted. As she probably was not aware of what was happening.

And while the OP is distracted beating seven colors out of the abductor, another opportunist abductor will make off with the child who was just left standing there.


I say the same to my wife any time she comments on how packed a shopping centre is or whatever and how easy it would be for someone to make off with our child- In my head I'm thinking "quit with the dramatics", but I tell her "never mind eyeballing everyone else, keep your eyes on (our son) and he won't go anywhere and nobody can take him. It's when you're eyeballing everyone else that someone you don't see will see their opportunity!".

Better to get out of the situation than risk getting beaten up and the man take the child.

token101

Czarcasm wrote: »

It's when you're eyeballing everyone else that someone you don't see will see their opportunity!".

It's the shapeshifting pedophiles that scare me. I remember watching this TV programme one time where Gary Linekar said that pedophiles were now dressing as schools to abduct children. Terrifying.

Czarcasm

token101 wrote: »

It's the shapeshifting pedophiles that scare me. I remember watching this TV programme one time where Gary Linekar said that pedophiles were now dressing as schools to abduct children. Terrifying.

Was that on that by now famous "Brass Eye" programme? :pac:

I've still never actually seen it, must youtube it at some stage, watched "To Catch a Predator" alright, can't remember what channel it used be on, but it wouldn't have been out of place on Paramount Comedy!

"Would you like to take a seat over there?" :pac: