Maggie Thatcher death discussion thread - Mod rules in first post

Grandpa Hassan · 10-04-2013 03:46PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

In the iTunes Store Top 10 Songs "Ding-Dong! the witch is dead" has shot up to number 2 on the UK chart !

This is in response to the "Make 'Ding dong the Witch is Dead' number 1 the week Thatcher dies" Facebook campaign, which was originally set up in 2007.

The song is from the classic 1939 film The Wizard of Oz starring Judy Garland.

It has reached Number 7 on the Irish chart too !!!

Bandwagon and jumping spring to mind.

Wonder how many of those buying hardly knew who Thatcher was until this week

karma_ · 10-04-2013 03:48PM

Suryavarman wrote: »

That's because the people blaming Thatcher aren't rational. If they were rational they probably wouldn't be supporting terrorists.

You have literally no idea as to what you are talking about regarding what life was like in NI during the Hunger strikes. It wasn't about supporting terrorists at all. We had a chance back in those days for peace, and it was pissed away without so much as an afterthought.

Also, could you explain if it was rational to support her for her stance on the Hunger strikes whilst excusing her track record on Pinochet or Pol Pot? That's not rationality, it's downright irrational.

--Kaiser-- · 10-04-2013 03:54PM

Madam wrote: »

But, but........... They had a cause:(

Terrorists generally do

Weathering · 10-04-2013 04:00PM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Terrorists generally do

And do you class members of 1916 rising as terrorists or freedom fighters? I feel ill,I don't condone any republican terrorism now but NI back then was different. What would you call the british troops who fired innocent people at bloody sunday..probably peace keepers in your warped mind. I live in Donegal and after bloody there were queues if people lining up to join. You make me sick

Madam · 10-04-2013 04:13PM

Weathering wrote: »

And do you class members of 1916 rising as terrorists or freedom fighters? I feel ill,I don't condone any republican terrorism now but NI back then was different. What would you call the british troops who fired innocent people at bloody sunday..probably peace keepers in your warped mind. I live in Donegal and after bloody there were queues if people lining up to join. You make me sick

Oh I believe the people who fought in 1916 were freedom fighters(some of my ancestors fought - from Donegal too)! Not so the rabble in the 60s and beyond imo!

--Kaiser-- · 10-04-2013 04:27PM

Weathering wrote: »

And do you class members of 1916 rising as terrorists or freedom fighters? I feel ill,I don't condone any republican terrorism now but NI back then was different. What would you call the british troops who fired innocent people at bloody sunday..probably peace keepers in your warped mind. I live in Donegal and after bloody there were queues if people lining up to join. You make me sick

I make you sick? The strongest emotion you induce in me is pity. Once you target innocent people instead of soldiers then you are a terrorist. People like to whitewash over nasty bits of history (e.g. people calling Mandela a 'saint') but I'm not having it

karma_ · 10-04-2013 04:35PM

Madam wrote: »

Oh I believe the people who fought in 1916 were freedom fighters(some of my ancestors fought - from Donegal too)! Not so the rabble in the 60s and beyond imo!

That's fine, the vast majority of nationalists in the North did not want violent action in their defence either. Having said that, there was a cause worth fighting for in the North, as it was a desperately unjust society back then. The Civil Rights campaign was on the right track only to be completely destroyed by Bloody Sunday.

Fast forward to the Hunger strike - and we have testimony from John Hume that all Thatcher had to give was to allow the strikers to wear their own clothes and partake in some free association. She refused, then recanted after the first few strikers died. What was the point? Such intransigence and political myopia. How many paid for that act of hubris?

Now we have posters who laud her 'Iron will' and 'never back down' attitude. Those are not good qualities for a human being never mind a politician.

Weathering · 10-04-2013 04:35PM

Madam wrote: »

Oh I believe the people who fought in 1916 were freedom fighters(some of my ancestors fought - from Donegal too)! Not so the rabble in the 60s and beyond imo!

Well your hypocritical if you class one over the other. In both their eyes they were occupied fighting for independence. The brutal killings of the innocent people in bloody sunday,widspread gerrymandering-Imagine living in a voting district with a 95pc catholic majority and the protestate candidate wins,what is democratic about that. Plus they were treated like 2nd class citizens. These circumstances gave way to the IRA

Anyway I won't be returning to this thread. I've seen enough. I'm not pro left nor pro right. I'm not in favour of terrorism or killing of innocent people. Both the Ira and the British army committed both. The british army also coluded with protestant terrorist groups. These unionist terrorist groups set off bombs in monaghan and dublin.

I'm off now to recover from comments certain people don't have a clue about. Would love to see their comments if they had of grown up in the north in a catholic area

Weathering · 10-04-2013 04:40PM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

I make you sick? The strongest emotion you induce in me is pity. Once you target innocent people instead of soldiers then you are a terrorist. People like to whitewash over nasty bits of history (e.g. people calling Mandela a 'saint') but I'm not having it

So by your own defination the british army are also terrorists. Thanks you made the first step to recover

Look up bloody sunday in derry

swimming in a sea · 10-04-2013 04:44PM

Weathering wrote: »

widspread gerrymandering-Imagine living in a voting district with a 95pc catholic majority and the protestate candidate wins,what is democratic about that. Plus they were treated like 2nd class citizens. These circumstances gave way to the IRA

I'd always vote on the candidates policies not their religion, if religion was their only concern when voting no wonder they were a pile of nutters up there.

--Kaiser-- · 10-04-2013 04:46PM

Weathering wrote: »

So by your own defination the british army are also terrorists. Thanks you made the first step to recover

Look up bloody sunday in derry

What happened to 'I won't be returning to the thread'? Off you go

Weathering · 10-04-2013 04:47PM

swimming in a sea wrote: »

I'd always vote on the candidates policies not their religion, if religion was their only concern when voting no wonder they were a pile of nutters up there.

Well you obviously don't understand the situation in NI then. If you were living in a poor catholic area inNI and wanted a better life voting for someone like Ian Paisley isn't going to improve your local area

Weathering · 10-04-2013 04:48PM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

What happened to 'I won't be returning to the thread'? Off you go

Hahaha you can't deal with the fact you called the britiah army terrorists. As you said yourself you can't be having that haha.

And you had nothing to say in response to that. Sums it up really. Tara luv

--Kaiser-- · 10-04-2013 04:55PM

Weathering wrote: »

Hahaha you can't deal with the fact you called the britiah army terrorists. As you said yourself you can't be having that haha.

And you had nothing to say in response to that. Sums it up really. Tara luv

It amuses me when people formally announce that they are leaving a thread (usually because they are incapable of rational debate) as if anyone actually gives a fiddles fart

Honey-ec · 10-04-2013 04:58PM

Weathering wrote: »

Well you obviously don't understand the situation in NI then. If you were living in a poor catholic area inNI and wanted a better life voting for someone like Ian Paisley isn't going to improve your local area

Did you not just say you're from Donegal? I wasn't aware that Ian Paisley had a mandate there...

lcrcboy · 10-04-2013 04:59PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd319cXye40

WhatNowForUs? · 10-04-2013 05:00PM

Hopefully all this bitterness will be buried with her.

old hippy · 10-04-2013 05:01PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You missed out baby eating and human sacrifice.

And milk snatching! There's not enough time in the day to document all the tyrant's wrongdoings

Weathering · 10-04-2013 05:04PM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

It amuses me when people formally announce that they are leaving a thread (usually because they are incapable of rational debate) as if anyone actually gives a fiddles fart

And it amuses me when someone defination of a terrorist comes back and bites them in the a..e and they have nothing left to say in response to that other than gibberish and they choose to ignore it. The only person that is incapable of a debate is you as you haven't addressed the last point made to you in which you stated terrorists are people who attack/kill innocent people instead of soldiers. I alluded you to the fact the british army are indeed guilty of your defination bloody sunday in derry being an example. Collusion with protestant terrorist factions who bombed dublin and monaghan. I rest my case,look for yours

Norwesterner · 10-04-2013 05:09PM

old hippy wrote: »

And milk snatching! There's not enough time in the day to document all the tyrant's wrongdoings

I get the whole "milk snatching" allegations, but nobody has yet answered why Labour didn't bring the free milk back when in power.
Or why not a single Irish party thought about giving free milk in schools when they had power.
SF is in power in the North, why don't they demand free milk.
Whats stopping them?
Thatcher may have stopped it, but any P.M has the power to revert this decision. But didn't, and would rather mope about it instead.

Weathering · 10-04-2013 05:10PM

Honey-ec wrote: »

Did you not just say you're from Donegal? I wasn't aware that Ian Paisley had a mandate there...

Yeah I am. I lived in the north for years. I'm glad you know your own country's geography. Congratulations

Norwesterner · 10-04-2013 05:17PM

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

the polls in the papers have the shown that the overwhelming hatred is from a demograophic that were kids in 1990. They have no intuituve understanding of the situation in the UK in 1970....reading it in a book is different. So they are just seeing the riots and reading about the miners, and not putting it into the context of the time. ie. that the UK had just had a bailout, that social division already existed, that there was already a 3 day week, and that inflation was rampant. Without context, there is bound to be irrational hatred

It's the Facebook and Twitter generation mostly out partying, pushing the Witch song to No.1.
Most probably never heard of her before last week.

old hippy · 10-04-2013 05:28PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

It's the Facebook and Twitter generation mostly out partying, pushing the Witch song to No.1.
Most probably never heard of her before last week.

Bit patronising, no? There's plenty of folk on social networks of a ripe old age. I'm 129, you know.

K-9 · 10-04-2013 06:26PM

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

No (except for the hunger strikers bit....they starved themselves). But here's some balance. Pulled a bankrupt and bailed out country, with rampant inflation, back from the brink. Had the balls to protect UKs overseas territories. Stopped the ongoing funding by public money of failed industries. Reduced the influence of the power tripping unions that had brought the UK to a 3 day week under the previous labour government (lets not pretend that the unions would have agreed to any modernisation of work practices or retraining).

And it ended with a property crash and a recession, not quite the saviour some make out.

K-9 · 10-04-2013 06:33PM

swimming in a sea wrote: »

I'd always vote on the candidates policies not their religion, if religion was their only concern when voting no wonder they were a pile of nutters up there.

I don't think you understand what gerrymandering is, it's basically a rigged election so the best candidate is a bit of an irrelevance really.

extra gravy · 10-04-2013 06:38PM

Does anyone else think it'd be interesting if the posters who are critical of Thatcher gave us some idea about what they would have done differently if they had been in her position?

Rob A. Bank · 10-04-2013 06:49PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

It's the Facebook and Twitter generation mostly out partying, pushing the Witch song to No.1.
Most probably never heard of her before last week.

Perhaps because it's mainly the young who are suffering from the terrible results of her de-regulation of the banks and financial services and her doctrinaire devotion to the Milton Friedman lunacy.

BTW The Judy Garland version of the Wizard of Oz song 'Ding Dong! the witch is dead' raced to number 1 on the Amazon charts tonight.

YAY !

:D

Norwesterner · 10-04-2013 06:52PM

extra gravy wrote: »

Does anyone else think it'd be interesting if the posters who are critical of Thatcher gave us some idea about what they would have done differently if they had been in her position?

Well, considering Labour didn't revert a single policy of hers when they had the chance, I'm guessing we know the answer.

On Ireland, it was Labour who initially scapped Political Status (leading to the Hunger Strikes) and ironically Thatcher who finally conceded.
And ironically of all, it was Labour in 1998(with connivance with SF) who scrapped political status yet again.

So Labour have as much responsibilty for the dead Hunger Strikers as Thatcher did as it was their policy.

Labour are such cute hoors and remind me of FF to be honest

Grandpa Hassan · 10-04-2013 07:06PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Perhaps because it's mainly the young who are suffering from the terrible results of her de-regulation of the banks and financial services and her doctrinaire devotion to the Milton Friedman lunacy.

BTW The Judy Garland version of the Wizard of Oz song 'Ding Dong! the witch is dead' raced to number 1 on the Amazon charts tonight.

YAY !

:D

The number of puerile people in this world saddens me....

karma_ · 10-04-2013 07:17PM

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

The number of puerile people in this world saddens me....

If you value your sanity, stay well clear of After Hours.

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