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Being forced to use your "Irish" name at school

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  • #602
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    This is true whether a person likes this or not.

    It's not true, that's the problem.

    The purpose of a name is for identification, it's a way others can refer to you.

    You can't arbitrarily change someone's name and expect it to serve that purpose.


  • #603
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    rubadub wrote: »
    Do they change all names though? i.e. historical names. what is Adolf Hitler.
    Well it sounds closer to Aodhan than Abdullah does.


  • #604
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    HondaSami wrote: »
    No it's not clear to me.

    It makes no difference what the school call her during school time. What is she called at home? This is the name she will be changing at 18, is it not?

    Her wanting to change her name at 18 has nothing to do with the school, nothing what so ever.

    Jesus I have explained this four times PLEASE read my posts.
    She will be using her Forename given at birth and her mothers surname in Irish.
    Does it matter?

    We are investigating what proofs of usage she will need. As she may be spending time in the US it will get even more 'interesting'


  • #605
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    I'm amazed you even bothered enrolling your daughter in a Gaelscoil if this is all it takes to set you off. Serious anti-Irish vibe off this thread.
    I would've thought it would be pro-Irish to refuse to "translate" non-Irish words into Irish ones.
    Would it be pro-Irish to start calling integrated circuit boards "uibheaca", or is every Irish word OK to use for any other language's words?


  • #606
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    I'm amazed you even bothered enrolling your daughter in a Gaelscoil if this is all it takes to set you off. Serious anti-Irish vibe off this thread.

    Anti reverse imperialism and Anti-Irish language are very different.

    Sound of people bristling that a fluent Irish speaker refuses to take an Irish name for the sake of it is also the vide.


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  • #607
    HondaSami
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭HondaSami


    MadsL wrote: »

    We are investigating what proofs of usage she will need. As she may be spending time in the US it will get even more 'interesting'

    This is not what the thread is about is it?

    I now think you are pissed she dropped your name in favour of her mother's.
    Her birth cert and passport are her Id, cannot see any problem as stated before.


  • #608
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    MadsL wrote: »
    Being forced to use your "Irish" name at school
    MadsL wrote: »
    My daughter attends a second-level gaelscoil that insists on calling her by a translation of her actual name that sound similar to her actual name but is in fact a different Irish name. She hates it and has frequently resisted it by saying to her teacher 'that's not my name'. Her teachers continually 'correct' her if she asserts that her name is her name by repeating the translated name back to her.

    Should she put up with this? What does AH think?

    I guess if you are prepared to send youe kids to a Gaelscoil then you should not only be prepared for childs name to be turned into Irish, but yours too + your address + everything! and when your child comes home I guess ideally it should be an Irish only environment, so that your child will be immersed in Irish at school and at Home, otherwise your hard earnt Gaelscoil money may well be wasted?


  • #609
    ronjo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭ronjo


    When I was in school the teachers all called me by my English name which I normally used but my Irish teacher called me by the Irish version.

    Tell them to do that as a compromise :)


  • #610
    Defiler Of The Coffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Buddy? Stunning lack of self-awareness on show here today. Probably too optimistic to hope that it's deliberate irony...

    Go get thick with someone else. I'm not bothering any more with you.


  • #611
    Defiler Of The Coffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    Seachmall wrote: »
    It's not true, that's the problem.

    The purpose of a name is for identification, it's a way others can refer to you.

    You can't arbitrarily change someone's name and expect it to serve that purpose.

    Yes you can, people use different names all the time. Even in an arbitrary sense.


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  • #612
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    LordSutch wrote: »
    I guess if you are prepared to send youe kids to a Gaelscoil then you should not only be prepared for childs name to be turned into Irish
    OK so, the one billionth and one time... it's not "turned into Irish". It's a different name that just happens to be Irish. It's not a translation of any sort.


  • #613
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    HondaSami wrote: »
    This is not what the thread is about is it?

    I now think you are pissed she dropped your name in favour of her mother's.

    Completely uncalled for jibe.

    She hasn't used her full name in years, and I don't give a damn. The only reason it was on her birth cert was to make travelling easier.
    Her birth cert and passport are her Id, cannot see any problem as stated before.
    Then you don't know anything about the process of applying for permanent residency in the US (Green Card)


  • #614
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    Go get thick with someone else. I'm not bothering any more with you.
    I'm sorry for your loss. You were obviously just trying to be friendly when you called me "buddy".


  • #615
    ballsymchugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    MadsL wrote: »
    Completely uncalled for jibe.

    She hasn't used her full name in years, and I don't give a damn. The only reason it was on her birth cert was to make travelling easier.

    Then you don't know anything about the process of applying for permanent residency in the US (Green Card)

    for the fourth time, what version of her name is she enrolled in the school as?


  • #616
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    LordSutch wrote: »
    I guess if you are prepared to send youe kids to a Gaelscoil then you should not only be prepared for childs name to be turned into Irish, but yours too + your address + everything! and when your child comes home I guess ideally it should be an Irish only environment, so that your child will be immersed in Irish at school and at Home, otherwise your hard earnt Gaelscoil money may well be wasted?

    Huh? She's already fluent...


  • #617
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    Yes you can, people use different names all the time. Even in an arbitrary sense.
    For the billionth time on this one too.
    People using different names isn't the same as people being called different names.


  • #618
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    ballsymchugh wrote: »
    for the fourth time, what version of her name is she enrolled in the school as?

    I posted it Four times!!!


  • #619
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    Yes you can, people use different names all the time. Even in an arbitrary sense.

    It's fine when the person themselves changes their name but not when someone else just arbitrarily starts calling them a different name.

    Answer me this,
    Seachmall wrote: »
    I know a girl called Bláthín, should I address her as "Flower" from now on because I only speak English with her?


  • #620
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    ballsymchugh wrote: »
    for the fourth time, what version of her name is she enrolled in the school as?
    So that'd be four times you've been told that a minor's name will not be broadcast to the world on boards.ie?
    Difficult concept for you?


  • #621
    ronjo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭ronjo


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    So that'd be four times you've been told that a minor's name will not be broadcast to the world on boards.ie?
    Difficult concept for you?

    Is that what he asked?


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  • #622
    ballsymchugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    MadsL wrote: »
    *Sigh* I have already explained this.

    Birth cert is English English-English form
    Primary used English Irish
    School use Irish Irish form
    She is thinking of using English Irish form as her adult name.

    Clear now?

    if you and your daughter's mother enrolled her in to the school as 'Irish Irish', then your loss.
    if you used 'English Irish', then you can complain.

    they should/will use the version she was enrolled as. if they changed it afterwards to 'Irish Irish' then your/her complaints are legit.


  • #623
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Still waiting on whether it's OK for English speaking schools to rename Irish named pupils to Trish and Shaz to make it easier for the rest of the school to understand. Anybody?


  • #624
    ballsymchugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    So that'd be four times you've been told that a minor's name will not be broadcast to the world on boards.ie?
    Difficult concept for you?

    you are reading my posts wrong. i didn't ask for her name.
    i asked for the version of her name.


  • #625
    hoodwinked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭hoodwinked


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Still waiting on whether it's OK for English speaking schools to rename Irish named pupils to Trish and Shaz to make it easier for the rest of the school to understand. Anybody?

    in Ireland they aren't english immersive so no. it has been mentioned in this thread that in country's like china, they do change them though...


  • #626
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    ronjo wrote: »
    Is that what he asked?
    If you'd read the thread you'd know the names sound very similar, but are not in any way related.


  • #627
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    ballsymchugh wrote: »
    if you and your daughter's mother enrolled her in to the school as 'Irish Irish', then your loss.
    if you used 'English Irish', then you can complain.

    they should/will use the version she was enrolled as. if they changed it afterwards to 'Irish Irish' then your/her complaints are legit.

    You get the kind of comments such as we'll just put down 'Irish Irish' then shall we, plus mishearing her name as it sounds similar to an Irish one.

    She was enrolled 'English Irish'.


  • #628
    hoodwinked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭hoodwinked


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    If you'd read the thread you'd know the names sound very similar, but are not in any way related.

    and if you read the thread title its
    Being forced to use your "Irish" name at school

    hence the confusion its saying it is her irish name but she's being forced to use it no?


  • #629
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    hoodwinked wrote: »
    in Ireland they aren't english immersive so no. it has been mentioned in this thread that in country's like china, they do change them though...
    English speaking schools aren't English immersive? So what language do they use then?


  • #630
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    English speaking schools aren't English immersive? So what language do they use then?

    ROFL


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  • #631
    ballsymchugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    MadsL wrote: »
    You get the kind of comments such as we'll just put down 'Irish Irish' then shall we, plus mishearing her name as it sounds similar to an Irish one.

    She was enrolled 'English Irish'.

    thanks. then politely email them on her behalf and ask them to call her what she was enrolled as.


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