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Being forced to use your "Irish" name at school

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  • #542
    jasonmcco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭jasonmcco


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    Why is she in a Gaelscoil at all then? Im not on for them, but that seems part and parcel of the "deal". She/You should also find out what your actual Irish name is and not some reverse Anglicisation "sounds like" nonsense.

    Your actual name is the name your parents gave you obviously and it is of no relevance where your name developed from. ridiculous comment.

    Also wud you then agree that it wud be ok for an irish kid(Sean) in an english school to have to go by John. You wud not so kop on to yourselves.


  • #543
    SparkySpitfire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭SparkySpitfire


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Nope, what's happening here is that somebody's come on boards.ie to, shock horror, ask for advice on an issue and you're on a high horse hyperbole mission because that advice is being given. Now that the advice is given, maybe the OP will take it up, who knows?
    You seem to be deeply confused as to what the process of asking and receiving advice is?

    Nope, what's happening here is that somebody's come on boards.ie to, shock horror, ask for advice on an issue and you're on a human rights hyperbole mission because that advice is being given to get over it/make a phone call. Now that the advice is given, maybe the OP will take it up, who knows?
    You seem to be deeply confused as to how to use the English language as your posts are disparate and badly worded so as to confuse me while charging around on your own high horse.


  • #544
    ballsymchugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    Cavehill Red wrote: »
    I guess we're done here then. Close thread. You know what to do and don't care to do it. What's to discuss?

    this is a MadsL thread. for some reason they don't close easy.

    i'm out anyway.


  • #545
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    bállsymchúgh wrote: »
    enlighten me then, what is eoin the irish for?

    Using pantomime so I was. In short I dunno either. Seems to me though;

    Eoin is Irish for Eoin. In equivalent terms you could substitute John for it if you were that way inclined. The two languages (Hebrew John & Irish Eoin) are about the same age like.

    To answer your question go ask someone 3,000 years ago.


  • #546
    JuliusCaesar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭JuliusCaesar


    Seachmall wrote: »
    I don't think it makes sense to translate a name. Your name is your name regardless of language.


    Seems pretentious to me, and I can see why it would be annoying.



    Well, there's a massive historical example:

    Pope Francesco is known in the English speaking world as Pope Francis.
    Giovanni Paolo = John Paul


    etc etc etc. There are actually linguistic equivalents of names, they just changed slightly in the local languages.


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  • #547
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,466 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    conorhal wrote: »
    I'm just pointing out that instead of having the basic common sense to tell your daughters that:
    'A rose by any other name smells just as sweet', you're going to a gaelscoil, which has an ethos of total emersion in the language and culture of the country and addressing children by their Irish (or if there isn't an Irish direct translation, then an aproximate equivelent) name. It's part of the immersive experience. You should less concerned about the name a teacher gives you then the names people call you behind your back.

    I'm also pointing out that self entitled footstamping about trivial matters is expected in teenagers and requires a bit of forebarence and patience, they inherently think life is 'unfair' and they are entitled to their own way, but it's a really unattractive trait in an adult. Perhaps you need to learn to suck it up and save your energy for the battles in life that matter, as an example to your kids

    They are calling the teenager by the wrong name!!!!

    Tell the teachers where to go, I would not like to be called by a different name. Gaelscoil or not, it's irrelevant.


  • #548
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    SparkySpitfire wrote: »
    so as to confuse me
    That seems to be the only constant on this thread.


  • #549
    hoodwinked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭hoodwinked


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    They are calling the teenager by the wrong name!!!!

    Tell the teachers where to go, I would not like to be called by a different name. Gaelscoil or not, it's irrelevant.

    it is relevant as they are calling her by her irish name in a place where all names are translated to irish.

    its not like she's being forced to use the name outside of school.


  • #550
    An Coilean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭An Coilean


    MadsL wrote: »
    At the moment.

    She would prefer to change it in future to her Irish surname. Not her makey up "Irish" first name. In total there would be four versions of her name that are on official documents if that happens.


    There is the Presumably all English name you gave her, the presumably all Irish version of that name the school uses, the English version of her first name and Irish Version of her last name that she wants to use in the future and what is the fourth?


  • #551
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,080 ✭✭✭conorhal


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    They are calling the teenager by the wrong name!!!!

    Tell the teachers where to go, I would not like to be called by a different name. Gaelscoil or not, it's irrelevant.

    Jesus Christ! Has anybody called the UN? :rolleyes:


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  • #552
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    conorhal wrote: »
    I'm just pointing out that instead of having the basic common sense to tell your daughters that:
    'A rose by any other name smells just as sweet', you're going to a gaelscoil, which has an ethos of total emersion in the language and culture of the country and addressing children by their Irish (or if there isn't an Irish direct translation, then an aproximate equivelent) name. It's part of the immersive experience. You should less concerned about the name a teacher gives you then the names people call you behind your back.

    I see - you mean to teach her to suck it up when people in authority do not listen to her polite requests and instead use that authority to call her an ugly name. Great preparation for the rampant bullying culture in Irish workplaces.
    I'm also pointing out that self entitled footstamping about trivial matters is expected in teenagers and requires a bit of forebarence and patience, they inherently think life is 'unfair' and they are entitled to their own way, but it's a really unattractive trait in an adult. Perhaps you need to learn to suck it up and save your energy for the battles in life that matter, as an example to your kids

    Lecturing people is also an unattractive trait. I admit I am probably guilty of that too, as are you.

    I think you have completely misrepresented mine and my daughters actions neither have which been either petulant or footstamping.

    We are mildly annoyed at worse. Sorry we don't actually fit the mental image you built up.


  • #553
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    An Coilean wrote: »
    There is the Presumably all English name you gave her, the presumably all Irish version of that name the school uses, the English version of her first name and Irish Version of her last name that she wants to use in the future and what is the fourth?
    Two surnames on the birth cert.


  • #554
    Dick Turnip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Dick Turnip


    hoodwinked wrote: »
    eoin = owen

    éoin means 'young man' and was a popular name in ancient Ireland.

    Not according to the link http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Eoin

    "Eoin \eoin\ as a boy's name is of Irish and Hebrew origin, and the meaning of Eoin is "God is gracious". Variant of John, by way of Ian, and referring to Saint John."

    or this link http://medievalscotland.org/problem/names/iain.shtml

    Eoin is a Gaelic form of John, adopted into Gaelic in early medieval Ireland from the Latin name Ioannes


  • #555
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    ballsymchugh wrote: »
    enlighten me then, what is eoin the irish for? i hold my hands up if i'm wrong.

    the other spelling 'eoghan' is irish for eugene btw.
    This is the fundamental flaw with attempts to gaelicise people's names - many names have roots in other names or are homonyms, such that a direct translation is often not possible or will result in errors so just shouldn't be done.

    Eoghan/Eoin are two good examples. They're not the same name, have different roots but are often interchanged.


  • #556
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Tellingly, no reply from the "that's just what they do in Gaelscoil" crew on what they'd think of schools changing names from Mohammed to Billy Bob or Anotolie to Jeremiah if they so decided.
    To foster cultural harmony, perhaps Abdullahs could now be Davids and vice versa? They'd be OK with that, right?


  • #557
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    séamus wrote: »
    This is the fundamental flaw with attempts to gaelicise people's names - many names have roots in other names or have crossovers, such that a direct translation is often not possible so just shouldn't be done.

    ^ This


  • #558
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    conorhal wrote: »
    Jesus Christ! Has anybody called the UN? :rolleyes:
    Yes, we have another hyperbole of mass destruction merchant on the loose!


  • #559
    SparkySpitfire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭SparkySpitfire


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    That seems to be the only constant on this thread.

    That, and your ego-boosting self-serving remarks.


    EDIT:
    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Yes, we have another hyperbole of mass destruction merchant on the loose!

    Found another one! :D You're good at this.


  • #560
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Cavehill Red wrote: »
    I guess we're done here then. Close thread. You know what to do and don't care to do it. What's to discuss?

    My daughters situation is hardly unique. I'll discuss it with her and look at other options so that she can select the name she wants to use at 18 for her adult passport.

    Amazed at the support for the school however when the same people cannot even agree on what the "proper" translation is for various names.

    The Czech would not allow any name that was not a saint to be used for Christening, perhaps Priests rather than parents should choose names?


  • #561
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    hoodwinked wrote: »
    it is relevant as they are calling her by her irish name in a place where all names are translated to irish.
    Er, for the one billionth time, it is not "her Irish name".
    You do know that things that are different aren't the same, right?


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  • #562
    hoodwinked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭hoodwinked


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Tellingly, no reply from the "that's just what they do in Gaelscoil" crew on what they'd think of schools changing names from Mohammed to Billy Bob or Anotolie to Jeremiah if they so decided.
    To foster cultural harmony, perhaps Abdullahs could now be Davids and vice versa? They'd be OK with that, right?

    honestly its because i don't know the origins of the name, that can have a lot to do with it.

    if you want something samey i'd guess Mohammed = Míchael
    Anotolie = áine
    Abdullahs = Aodhán


  • #563
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    SparkySpitfire wrote: »
    That, and your ego-boosting self-serving remarks.
    Hilarious. A minute ago you were saying my posts didn't make any sense at all.
    Had a bit of an epiphany then?


  • #564
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,080 ✭✭✭conorhal


    MadsL wrote: »
    I see - you mean to teach her to suck it up when people in authority do not listen to her polite requests and instead use that authority to call her an ugly name. Great preparation for the rampant bullying culture in Irish workplaces.



    Lecturing people is also an unattractive trait. I admit I am probably guilty of that too, as are you.

    I think you have completely misrepresented mine and my daughters actions neither have which been either petulant or footstamping.

    We are mildly annoyed at worse. Sorry we don't actually fit the mental image you built up.

    She's not being bullied, she's not being singled out for unfair treatment and she's not being called anything abusive, to suggest that she's being prepped to be bullied is an hysterical over reaction.
    Every workplace has it minor irritations, if it's a minor irritation then I suggest you ignore it and get on with focusing on the more important issues.
    I may have misrepresented your daughter, but not you, most of your posts on this threads could be characterised by footstamping petulance, it seems your daughter (if she's prepared to fight her own battles) is more mature then dad. Good on her.


  • #565
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    hoodwinked wrote: »
    honestly its because i don't know the origins of the name, that can have a lot to do with it.

    if you want something samey i'd guess Mohammed = Míchael
    Anotolie = áine
    Abdullahs = Aodhán

    ^ Are you a teacher?
    Your random designations and guesses sound familiar...

    You do know who Mohammed (pbuh) was??

    Like calling Iesus, Gabriel.


  • #566
    ibarelycare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,456 ✭✭✭✭ibarelycare


    MadsL wrote: »
    Sorry - wasn't clear that as the OP I was supposed to not have a point of view.


    Being like what? She politely asks no to be called what some teachers call her. The teachers are full of praise for her behaviour and work ethic.


    I will, if it upsets her. At the moment it is just an annoyance.


    I have explained why I can't pop in - not the same as arguing I'm in another country.


    Grand. I'll pick her friends too.
    She's not dicatating anything - why are you blowing this up to be something it isn't?


    I do. I talk to her. She knows she has my support if she wants to make more of it, she doesn't.


    Of course you can have a point of view. But you're being very defensive, sarcastic, nearly aggressive, with a lot of the posters who disagree with you, and it's a bit strange, since you say all you wanted was a debate.

    It's certainly not me who's blowing this up...


  • #567
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    ibarelycare wrote: »
    Of course you can have a point of view. But you're being very defensive, sarcastic, nearly aggressive, with a lot of the posters who disagree with you, and it's a bit strange, since you say all you wanted was a debate.

    You must be new here :pac: . I snarl quite a bit. I rarely bite though.

    I like a good scrap in debate, some thin skins around her though.


  • #568
    SparkySpitfire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭SparkySpitfire


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Hilarious. A minute ago you were saying my posts didn't make any sense at all.
    Had a bit of an epiphany then?

    What has changed? All you're doing is being sarcastic and arguing for the sake of arguing.


  • #569
    Defiler Of The Coffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Your name is your name; as has been pointed out, you don't get called a different one when you go abroad and they have another language. Contact the school and have this cleared up and her docs corrected.

    Plenty of people use different or translated names in different languages. My manager uses Luke instead of Lukasz and a co-worker uses Michael instead of some difficult to pronounce Chinese name. This wasn't forced upon them, they were happy to go along with it.

    This idea that your name in your mother tongue is totally sacred and set in stone no matter what language you use isn't true at all.


  • #570
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    hoodwinked wrote: »
    honestly its because i don't know the origins of the name, that can have a lot to do with it.

    if you want something samey i'd guess Mohammed = Míchael
    Anotolie = áine
    Abdullahs = Aodhán
    Good, in that case you'd have no problem with English speaking schools calling all the Aines "Anotolie" and the Aodhans "Abdullah" as that'd be in keeping with the school's preferred language.


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  • #571
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    Plenty of people use different or translated names in different languages. My manager uses Luke instead of Lukasz and a co-worker uses Michael instead of some difficult to pronounce Chinese name. This wasn't forced upon them, they were happy to go along with it.
    They chose it. That's the point.


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