Matt Simis wrote: » Why is she in a Gaelscoil at all then? Im not on for them, but that seems part and parcel of the "deal". She/You should also find out what your actual Irish name is and not some reverse Anglicisation "sounds like" nonsense.
Dan_Solo wrote: » Nope, what's happening here is that somebody's come on boards.ie to, shock horror, ask for advice on an issue and you're on a high horse hyperbole mission because that advice is being given. Now that the advice is given, maybe the OP will take it up, who knows? You seem to be deeply confused as to what the process of asking and receiving advice is?
Cavehill Red wrote: » I guess we're done here then. Close thread. You know what to do and don't care to do it. What's to discuss?
bállsymchúgh wrote: » enlighten me then, what is eoin the irish for?
Seachmall wrote: » I don't think it makes sense to translate a name. Your name is your name regardless of language. Seems pretentious to me, and I can see why it would be annoying.
conorhal wrote: » I'm just pointing out that instead of having the basic common sense to tell your daughters that: 'A rose by any other name smells just as sweet', you're going to a gaelscoil, which has an ethos of total emersion in the language and culture of the country and addressing children by their Irish (or if there isn't an Irish direct translation, then an aproximate equivelent) name. It's part of the immersive experience. You should less concerned about the name a teacher gives you then the names people call you behind your back. I'm also pointing out that self entitled footstamping about trivial matters is expected in teenagers and requires a bit of forebarence and patience, they inherently think life is 'unfair' and they are entitled to their own way, but it's a really unattractive trait in an adult. Perhaps you need to learn to suck it up and save your energy for the battles in life that matter, as an example to your kids
SparkySpitfire wrote: » so as to confuse me
hotmail.com wrote: » They are calling the teenager by the wrong name!!!! Tell the teachers where to go, I would not like to be called by a different name. Gaelscoil or not, it's irrelevant.
MadsL wrote: » At the moment. She would prefer to change it in future to her Irish surname. Not her makey up "Irish" first name. In total there would be four versions of her name that are on official documents if that happens.
conorhal wrote: » I'm just pointing out that instead of having the basic common sense to tell your daughters that: 'A rose by any other name smells just as sweet', you're going to a gaelscoil, which has an ethos of total emersion in the language and culture of the country and addressing children by their Irish (or if there isn't an Irish direct translation, then an aproximate equivelent) name. It's part of the immersive experience. You should less concerned about the name a teacher gives you then the names people call you behind your back.
I'm also pointing out that self entitled footstamping about trivial matters is expected in teenagers and requires a bit of forebarence and patience, they inherently think life is 'unfair' and they are entitled to their own way, but it's a really unattractive trait in an adult. Perhaps you need to learn to suck it up and save your energy for the battles in life that matter, as an example to your kids
An Coilean wrote: » There is the Presumably all English name you gave her, the presumably all Irish version of that name the school uses, the English version of her first name and Irish Version of her last name that she wants to use in the future and what is the fourth?
hoodwinked wrote: » eoin = owen éoin means 'young man' and was a popular name in ancient Ireland.
ballsymchugh wrote: » enlighten me then, what is eoin the irish for? i hold my hands up if i'm wrong. the other spelling 'eoghan' is irish for eugene btw.
séamus wrote: » This is the fundamental flaw with attempts to gaelicise people's names - many names have roots in other names or have crossovers, such that a direct translation is often not possible so just shouldn't be done.
conorhal wrote: » Jesus Christ! Has anybody called the UN? :rolleyes:
Dan_Solo wrote: » That seems to be the only constant on this thread.
Dan_Solo wrote: » Yes, we have another hyperbole of mass destruction merchant on the loose!
hoodwinked wrote: » it is relevant as they are calling her by her irish name in a place where all names are translated to irish.
Dan_Solo wrote: » Tellingly, no reply from the "that's just what they do in Gaelscoil" crew on what they'd think of schools changing names from Mohammed to Billy Bob or Anotolie to Jeremiah if they so decided. To foster cultural harmony, perhaps Abdullahs could now be Davids and vice versa? They'd be OK with that, right?
SparkySpitfire wrote: » That, and your ego-boosting self-serving remarks.
MadsL wrote: » I see - you mean to teach her to suck it up when people in authority do not listen to her polite requests and instead use that authority to call her an ugly name. Great preparation for the rampant bullying culture in Irish workplaces. Lecturing people is also an unattractive trait. I admit I am probably guilty of that too, as are you. I think you have completely misrepresented mine and my daughters actions neither have which been either petulant or footstamping. We are mildly annoyed at worse. Sorry we don't actually fit the mental image you built up.
hoodwinked wrote: » honestly its because i don't know the origins of the name, that can have a lot to do with it. if you want something samey i'd guess Mohammed = Míchael Anotolie = áine Abdullahs = Aodhán
MadsL wrote: » Sorry - wasn't clear that as the OP I was supposed to not have a point of view. Being like what? She politely asks no to be called what some teachers call her. The teachers are full of praise for her behaviour and work ethic. I will, if it upsets her. At the moment it is just an annoyance. I have explained why I can't pop in - not the same as arguing I'm in another country. Grand. I'll pick her friends too. She's not dicatating anything - why are you blowing this up to be something it isn't? I do. I talk to her. She knows she has my support if she wants to make more of it, she doesn't.
ibarelycare wrote: » Of course you can have a point of view. But you're being very defensive, sarcastic, nearly aggressive, with a lot of the posters who disagree with you, and it's a bit strange, since you say all you wanted was a debate.
Dan_Solo wrote: » Hilarious. A minute ago you were saying my posts didn't make any sense at all. Had a bit of an epiphany then?
bluewolf wrote: » Your name is your name; as has been pointed out, you don't get called a different one when you go abroad and they have another language. Contact the school and have this cleared up and her docs corrected.
Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: » Plenty of people use different or translated names in different languages. My manager uses Luke instead of Lukasz and a co-worker uses Michael instead of some difficult to pronounce Chinese name. This wasn't forced upon them, they were happy to go along with it.
