Dan_Solo wrote: » Oh I see, when you pull the piss it's considered logical argument, when I do it it's ego-serving?
HondaSami wrote: » This i don't understand, why would she want to change her name at 18? will she not be calling herself something different then ? what's the problem with the school using the Irish version of her name during school. Is it normal for people to change to a different name when they reach 18?
Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: » This wasn't forced upon them, they were happy to go along with it.
Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: » Plenty of people use different or translated names in different languages. My manager uses Luke instead of Lukasz and a co-worker uses Michael instead of some difficult to pronounce Chinese name. This wasn't forced upon them, they were happy to go along with it.This idea that your name in your mother tongue is totally sacred and set in stone no matter what language you use isn't true at all.
SparkySpitfire wrote: » Found another one! You're good at this.
MadsL wrote: » My daughters situation is hardly unique. I'll discuss it with her and look at other options so that she can select the name she wants to use at 18 for her adult passport.
Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: » Plenty of people use different or translated names in different languages. My manager uses Luke instead of Lukasz and a co-worker uses Michael instead of some difficult to pronounce Chinese name. This wasn't forced upon them, they were happy to go along with it.
hoodwinked wrote: » honestly its because i don't know the origins of the name, that can have a lot to do with it. if you want something samey i'd guess Mohammed = Míchael Anotolie = áine Abdullahs = Aodhán
bluewolf wrote: » Your name is your name; as has been pointed out, you don't get called a different one when you go abroad and they have another language. Contact the school and have this cleared up and her docs corrected.
Dan_Solo wrote: » Hilarious. A minute ago you were saying my posts didn't make any sense at all. Had a bit of an epiphany then?
ibarelycare wrote: » Of course you can have a point of view. But you're being very defensive, sarcastic, nearly aggressive, with a lot of the posters who disagree with you, and it's a bit strange, since you say all you wanted was a debate.
MadsL wrote: » Sorry - wasn't clear that as the OP I was supposed to not have a point of view. Being like what? She politely asks no to be called what some teachers call her. The teachers are full of praise for her behaviour and work ethic. I will, if it upsets her. At the moment it is just an annoyance. I have explained why I can't pop in - not the same as arguing I'm in another country. Grand. I'll pick her friends too. She's not dicatating anything - why are you blowing this up to be something it isn't? I do. I talk to her. She knows she has my support if she wants to make more of it, she doesn't.
MadsL wrote: » I see - you mean to teach her to suck it up when people in authority do not listen to her polite requests and instead use that authority to call her an ugly name. Great preparation for the rampant bullying culture in Irish workplaces. Lecturing people is also an unattractive trait. I admit I am probably guilty of that too, as are you. I think you have completely misrepresented mine and my daughters actions neither have which been either petulant or footstamping. We are mildly annoyed at worse. Sorry we don't actually fit the mental image you built up.
SparkySpitfire wrote: » That, and your ego-boosting self-serving remarks.
Dan_Solo wrote: » Tellingly, no reply from the "that's just what they do in Gaelscoil" crew on what they'd think of schools changing names from Mohammed to Billy Bob or Anotolie to Jeremiah if they so decided. To foster cultural harmony, perhaps Abdullahs could now be Davids and vice versa? They'd be OK with that, right?
hoodwinked wrote: » it is relevant as they are calling her by her irish name in a place where all names are translated to irish.
Cavehill Red wrote: » I guess we're done here then. Close thread. You know what to do and don't care to do it. What's to discuss?
Dan_Solo wrote: » That seems to be the only constant on this thread.
Dan_Solo wrote: » Yes, we have another hyperbole of mass destruction merchant on the loose!
conorhal wrote: » Jesus Christ! Has anybody called the UN? :rolleyes:
séamus wrote: » This is the fundamental flaw with attempts to gaelicise people's names - many names have roots in other names or have crossovers, such that a direct translation is often not possible so just shouldn't be done.
ballsymchugh wrote: » enlighten me then, what is eoin the irish for? i hold my hands up if i'm wrong. the other spelling 'eoghan' is irish for eugene btw.
hoodwinked wrote: » eoin = owen éoin means 'young man' and was a popular name in ancient Ireland.
An Coilean wrote: » There is the Presumably all English name you gave her, the presumably all Irish version of that name the school uses, the English version of her first name and Irish Version of her last name that she wants to use in the future and what is the fourth?
conorhal wrote: » I'm just pointing out that instead of having the basic common sense to tell your daughters that: 'A rose by any other name smells just as sweet', you're going to a gaelscoil, which has an ethos of total emersion in the language and culture of the country and addressing children by their Irish (or if there isn't an Irish direct translation, then an aproximate equivelent) name. It's part of the immersive experience. You should less concerned about the name a teacher gives you then the names people call you behind your back.
I'm also pointing out that self entitled footstamping about trivial matters is expected in teenagers and requires a bit of forebarence and patience, they inherently think life is 'unfair' and they are entitled to their own way, but it's a really unattractive trait in an adult. Perhaps you need to learn to suck it up and save your energy for the battles in life that matter, as an example to your kids
hotmail.com wrote: » They are calling the teenager by the wrong name!!!! Tell the teachers where to go, I would not like to be called by a different name. Gaelscoil or not, it's irrelevant.
MadsL wrote: » At the moment. She would prefer to change it in future to her Irish surname. Not her makey up "Irish" first name. In total there would be four versions of her name that are on official documents if that happens.
