New TV3 Programme 'The Estate' in Ballybeg

sparkling sea wrote: »

Do you not remember what it was like in school, lots of people messed around; some people are just more fortunate and get 2nd and 3rd and 4th chances. In fairness, you seem to have been day dreaming in English grammar and punctuation usage lessons - and I too dreamed a bit - not as much as you though lol

Unmarried mothers are the easy target though and historically always has been in Ireland and there have been many consequences for us as a society because of this targeting. Yet people choose to target them over and over again - some good decision making going on here.

People without children get houses or apartments and social welfare, and raising a child alone is not an easy job; maybe as a 21 year old this girl is making some mistakes but then don't we all

Your post could apply to lots of people when they were teenagers whether they are married, unmarried, with or without children now.

spankmemunkey wrote: »

So this girl should blame society for her failings and not her life decisions?
Not once did i see her hold her child in her arms like a mother(could be down to editing), these are just silly self centred kids who get everything handed to them from the state and prioritise watching Big Brother or Britains got talent Jeremy Kyle, they are content with the rut they are in, and it seems all the more normal because their friends are the same, If i had money problems i would get rid of sky thats 27 euro a month minimum and youd still get free to air TV and so what if they dont have TV read a book for christ sake, If you haven't got money give up smokes, etc etc etc, How much is a box of smokes these days? Bone idle people who havent worked a day in their lives and theyre happy like that and guess what I'm paying for it as is my partner through our taxes

Ive seen it all before and ive heard all the excuses before, If you want to live your life like this then so be it, if you want to better yourself you can, look at the sacrifices Polish people make, they have to move to diffrerent countries to work sweeping floors in a foreign country cos they dont get these types of benefits at home, They cant afford to rely on the state and come to countries like ours to work! these kids are just content to live like this oh i have a house im a grown up, They have no ambition in life and they get people like you who sugar coat them and say oh the poor things we've let them down its societys fault, They made their life choices, doctors lawyers and basic hard workers made life choices and they are payed to reflect their hard work.

I had to fast forward watching this cos it was so cringe worthy, They should be monitored more closely, This is not a rant at unmarried mothers or single mothers, just at people who rely on handouts and walk around in PJ's all day drives me nuts. were paying for them to walk around in PJ's

Imagine telling some of these work shy's to pack your bags your moving to Poland to work sweeping up scraps on a meat factory oh yeah and you have to learn polish and pay your way all on minimum wage! What type of reaction would you get?

Some people want to work and some people dont some people want to better themselves and some people dont,

Also parents of these people have alot to answer for, they send them out into the world with poor education or lack of ambition because it was most likely the same for them.

sparkling sea wrote: »

The Magdelenes spring to mind - misogyny is alive and kicking here - and the makers of this show didn't miss a trick.

We learn so little from our mistakes - why is the fact that this girl is unmarried an issue. Many people get welfare payments, many people can't get a job - its not true to say that people who get divorced can't get welfare payments- every payment is determined by income

Women in Ireland do actually work and aren't dependant on their little old husbands to bring home the bacon - this is not the 1970s

Here are the CSO unemployment stats - Unemployment: The unemployment rate for men in Ireland was about 5% in recent years but in 2009 it increased dramatically to 15.1% and has increased over the last two years to stand at 17.5% in 2011. The unemployment rate for women, which stood at about 4% over the last few years, also increased sharply in 2009 to 8.1% and has risen over the last two years to 10.4% in 2011. For the 20-24 age group, about a third of men and just over a fifth of women were unemployed in 2011
Countless survey have shown the more women become pregnant accidentially, whether married or single, young or not so young. About 1/3 of all children born in

Teenage pregnancy rates have dramatically dropped in Ireland

The number of Irish women having abortions has also dropped and FYI the majority of Irish women who had and have abortions are still in their mid twenties. So some Irish men and women still have unwanted pregnacies, many married couples have unplanned and/or unwanted pregnancies, why is no one criticising them - they cost the state more? Stupid arguement

Its just easier to pick on teenage or youngers girls - easy targets - they always have been in Ireland - and didn't the makers of "The Estate" just know that lots of people wouldn't be able to resist picking on an easy target -Well done.

araic88 wrote: »

It's TV3 so i doubt it plus, the family being shown next week is well known, and often not for great reasons
I know a lovely family who was filmed for this programme for months but then pulled out, it's typical that so often the decent, quiet and hardworking families would be too shy / wary for attention like this so the mouthy, reality show types are on :rolleyes:
I thought the young mother and her friend were a disgrace but that Tommy was a gem with a great future & Mr Ronan was just hilarious

spankmemunkey wrote: »

I still dont agree with the majority of what you say, are you telling me that the entire population of ballybeg werent walking around in PJ's during the Celtic Tiger years and were actaully walking around instead with suits and briefcases? all wishing each other good morning on their rush to the stock exchange? Oh i must have missed that so! and the cars the burnt out cars they were also maybe their work transport that other bad people maybe Immigrants? they came in and stole their cars and burnt them out?

3 percent of the population not working are EXACTLY these type of people, BONE IDLE dont want to work dont NEED to work its all handed to them, send them to Poland to work for 4 euro an hour on a 49 hour a week shift in a meat processing plant sweeping the floor, They would never do that, yet we have Polish and other nationalities doing the jobs Irish people didnt want to do in the boom cos they had no cushy welfare system they had to go leave their homes friends and family and start a new life probably not to return home, yes it was their choice but they wanted to work unlike these people, you cant go blaming society for your failings in life its a personal choice, if anyone blame the parents for its upto the parents to send their children out into the world prepared for life, kids dont raise themselves parents should raise them, teach them right from wrong and insure they are educated enough to hopefully go on to college or train in some field but not to allow them to just leave school without any plans in place, and well maybe this should be used by other parents as a template for how things can go wrong for you in life if you dont stick it out in school and apply yourself and look at the bigger picture, in such a short time for learning it can and will determin the rest of your life. its not a time for sitting back and hoping that its finished soon so you can go out and have fun with your friends,

spankmemunkey wrote: »

I still dont agree with the majority of what you say, are you telling me that the entire population of ballybeg werent walking around in PJ's during the Celtic Tiger years

araic88 wrote: »

You're insinuating that everybody was?? Really???

Hootanany wrote: »

What did he do for 18 hours a day.

mcko wrote: »

This is not about Ballybeg it's about a certain class who do feck all and want everything, the Brits call them the underclass as they are below working class.

ziedth wrote: »

that is a very good question