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Maggie Thatcher death discussion thread - Mod rules in first post

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Lapin wrote: »
    We need someone with the balls Thatcher had to take on the unions in this country.
    no we don't, the unions don't need taking on either
    Lapin wrote: »
    We need someone to stand up and crush the power of the unions like she did in the 80s.
    ah yes, the same unions who still have lots and lots of power thankfully, she failed to crush their power, she brought it down a bit but crushed it, no
    Lapin wrote: »
    Our spineless government are bringing this country to its knees by bending over backwards for the public service trade unions.
    the public service trade unions are vital to protect the rights of our boys and girls working in the public service, and i'm not talking about management, i'm talking about our boys and girls on the ground level.
    Lapin wrote: »
    We need someone with Thatcher's clout to rip up the Croke Park Agreement and run the public services like a private industry.
    nonsense, the Croke Park Agreement is vital to make sure our boys and girls in the public sector have reasonable working conditions and pay, this agreement insures that, public services can't be run like a private industry, we can bring down the levels of management though, the public sector is the public sector, and the private sector is the private sector

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    no we don't, the unions don't need taking on either

    ah yes, the same unions who still have lots and lots of power thankfully, she failed to crush their power, she brought it down a bit but crushed it, no

    the public service trade unions are vital to protect the rights of our boys and girls working in the public service, and i'm not talking about management, i'm talking about our boys and girls on the ground level.

    nonsense, the Croke Park Agreement is vital to make sure our boys and girls in the public sector have reasonable working conditions and pay, this agreement insures that, public services can't be run like a private industry, we can bring down the levels of management though, the public sector is the public sector, and the private sector is the private sector

    Unions who protect the rights of their members are great, its the ones that protect their members right to sit on their arse and drink tea we need to crack down on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    I grew up with her as my local MP and my parents were deeply divided over her. My Dad thought she was fantastic, my Mum worshipped Arthur Scargill. I was sort of, meh, whatever. But funnily enough, I feel sad she's died and think that wether you're a fan or foe, she was a hell of a determined woman. R.I.P Baroness Thatcher, Iron lady.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Just looking at the ITN news and there are an awful lot of people out there who are quite happy she is dead, never seen this amount of division about a statesperson before.


    My own opinion, I lived in the six counties in the late 70,s/80,s and saw what thatchers hypocritical approach did to the nationalist community, As a recruiter for the Provisionals she was as good as Ian paisley a decade before, but I was brought up better than to rejoice in the death of anyone, friend or foe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭Notorious97


    Unions who protect the rights of their members are great, its the ones that protect their members right to sit on their arse and drink tea we need to crack down on.

    First time i think ive ever agreed with you fred, and in a thatcher thread, actually didnt see that coming lol fair point though!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I am glad she is gone.

    She can never be forgiven for deregulating the banks and financial markets(The so called financial 'Big Bang' of the 27 October 1986) which is a direct cause of the present global recession. Our children's children will be paying for her extreme right wing doctrinaire stupidity.

    And she hated the Irish....

    Nationalising the banks is a left wing thing. Look at America, probably the most capitalist country in the world and they let their banks go bust. Thatcher would have let her banks go bust. If she led us she would have let our banks die and we wouldnt be in this mess :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Thatcher was the only one who had the courage to stand up to them and to smash the unions holding the country to ransom
    how did she smash the unions? the unions still exist and are powerful all be it not as much. and i'm board of this bulls//t "the unions holding the country to ransom" its nonsense and not true, never was, never will be, they were protecting their workers and did so at all costs, fair play to the unions, the guardians and protectors of the workers.
    She stood up to terrorists
    and failed, had she succeeded, they wouldn't have kept bombing all be it intermittently up until 1998
    What if she did give into the suicide strikers? They would want MORE, MORE, MORE! Black mailing Thatchers country into submission. She never surrendered, she didnt even blink
    nonsense, they wanted very little to be honest, she gave the IRA the next biggest recruitment tool since bloody sunday.
    She aligned herself with ropey world wide characters. Why? Because it was in the best interests of the British nation. It didnt matter if it was morally right or not, A British life was worth 1 million of theirs under Thatcher. We would like to think our governments would do the same
    no, she did it for her own personal gain, just like many politicians
    She may have passed but her legacy will live forever
    oh it certainly will, she ruined the working class, she ruined large parts of britain, she privatised everything causing people to pay over inflated prices and even end up either in debt or having to do without services because they can't afford them
    She lived, she changed the world
    for the worst
    she was right
    she was wrong
    SHE WON!
    she lost, she lived a failure, and she passed a failure
    and will her legacy die? NO NO NO
    yes it will, it is slowly but surely

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,055 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    87 and out. Decent enough innings. For a woman she had the balls to stand her ground which you have to respect her for.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Thatchers legacy in the UK: Lets see

    • 3.6 Million Unemployed
    • Destroyed Manufacturing sector
    • Decimated Communities
    • Poll Tax
    • Hillsborough…
    • Increased Inequality
    • Destroyed unions and workers rights
    • Privatised utilities (leading to today's price cartels)
    • Deregulated markets (Irresponsible lending leading to today's financial crisis)
    • Pro-apartheid (Called Nelson Mandela a terrorist)
    • Introduced Homophobic Sec 28 law
    • Supported mass murderer Augustine Pinochet in Chile
    • Proven corruption with son mark (netting him millions)
    • Explosion in crime rates
    • Destroyed social housing (leading to extortionate private landlord prices)
    • Encouraged greed and selfishness

    And that is before mentioning her war crimes in Northern Ireland and Islas Malvinas


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭Voltex


    She was bang on the money



    In other words if it wasnt for the ECB and euro..we would be able to manage fiscal and monetary policy in the wake of the great recession.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭HondaSami



    she lost, she lived a failure, and she passed a failure

    This is pure rubbish, she was not a failure. She is and will be remembered for being the best female politician.

    One of her quotes.

    "If you set out to be liked, you would be prepared to compromise on anything at any time, and you would achieve nothing."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Nodin wrote: »
    'thatchers cuckoo' as I always think of him.

    New Labour did try and address some of the faults of Thatcher, but still try and continue her economics. Working tax credits a great example, we support Thatcher economics and private enterprise taking over and it will trickle down to the masses.

    Meanwhile, the masses need Government support to supplement low wages. Nobody in authority seemed to cop to that. But, they can get loads of credit cards, what's wrong with that?
    I grew up with her as my local MP and my parents were deeply divided over her. My Dad thought she was fantastic, my Mum worshipped Arthur Scargill. I was sort of, meh, whatever. But funnily enough, I feel sad she's died and think that wether you're a fan or foe, she was a hell of a determined woman. R.I.P Baroness Thatcher, Iron lady.

    I wonder why her sex comes in to it? I mean Thatcher or Merkel are hardly different from Sarkozy or Kohl, they're just people with ideologies.

    Thatcher stands out because she was a woman with strong market beliefs. Bit like a Black Republican in America seems odd!

    I find it odd why race or a working class background is highly significant.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    HondaSami wrote: »
    This is pure rubbish, she was not a failure. She is and will be remembered for being the best female politician.
    ........

    'I think he's great'
    'why?'
    'Like me, he has a penis'
    'O.'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,731 ✭✭✭✭coolhull


    ZeRoY wrote: »
    I wasn't wearing my glasses. Where in that article is she quoted as saying.''I hate the Irish''?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 hare


    87.......she lived 60 yrs more than she let bobby sands live.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭LincolnsBeard


    Stinicker wrote: »

    And that is before mentioning her war crimes in Northern Ireland and Islas Malvinas

    Fascist tried to illegally occupy the Falkland Islands. Thatcher destroyed and demoralised the nation of Argentina.

    Northern Ireland and the Falkland Islands remain British thanks to her attitude of never surrendering. Great leader.

    how did she smash the unions? the unions still exist and are powerful all be it not as much. and i'm board of this bulls//t "the unions holding the country to ransom" its nonsense and not true, never was, never will be, they were protecting their workers and did so at all costs, fair play to the unions, the guardians and protectors of the workers.

    and failed, had she succeeded, they wouldn't have kept bombing all be it intermittently up until 1998

    nonsense, they wanted very little to be honest, she gave the IRA the next biggest recruitment tool since bloody sunday.


    no, she did it for her own personal gain, just like many politicians

    oh it certainly will, she ruined the working class, she ruined large parts of britain, she privatised everything causing people to pay over inflated prices and even end up either in debt or having to do without services because they can't afford them

    for the worst

    she was wrong

    she lost, she lived a failure, and she passed a failure

    yes it will, it is slowly but surely

    She destroyed the Unions of ever existing as a real political force in the manner they once did. She solidified the Falklands under British control. She eliminated true socialism in mainstream British politics. The Labour party had to abandon their chief principle of nationalisation in order to get back into power. She played a vital role in standing up to Eastern Communism and set the precedent of never surrendering to violence or intimidation.

    Margaret Thatcher succeeded in leaving behind an enduring legacy beyond most peace time leaders. What have you done with your life?

    Thatcher>You.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭LincolnsBeard


    hare wrote: »
    87.......she lived 60 yrs more than she let bobby sands live.

    "Let" Bobby Sands live? He took his own life, self-imposed starvation.

    He had the option of choosing his own fate, a luxury that was not extended to victims of the IRA.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Fascist tried to illegally occupy the Falkland Islands. Thatcher destroyed and demoralised the nation of Argentina.
    ......

    Bit of an exaggeration....?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    More of her "Achievements"

    1. She supported the retention of capital punishment
    2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry
    3. She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
    4. She abolished free milk for schoolchildren ("Margaret Thatcher, Milk Snatcher")
    5. She supported more freedom for business (and look how that turned out)
    6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration
    7. She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)
    8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million
    9. She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands
    10. The poll tax
    11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad
    12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War
    13. She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years
    14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS
    15. She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits
    16. She pioneered the unfailing adoration and unquestioning support of the USA
    17. She allowed the US to place nuclear missiles on UK soil, under US control
    18. Section 28
    19. She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist"
    20. She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers
    21. She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population
    22. She opposed the reunification of Germany
    23. She invented Quangos
    24. She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%
    25. She had the lowest approval rating of any post-war Prime Minister
    26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech
    27. The Al Yamamah contract
    28. She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet
    29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike
    30. She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%
    31. BSE
    32. She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession
    33. She opposed the inclusion of the Republic of Ireland in the Northern Ireland peace process
    34. She supported sanctions-busting arms deals with South Africa
    35. Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin
    36. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher
    37. Black Wednesday – Britain withdraws from the ERM and the pound is devalued. Cost to Britain - £3.5 billion; profit for George Soros - £1 billion
    38. Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage
    39. She privatised public services, claiming at the time it would increase public ownership. Most are now owned either by foreign governments (EDF) or major investment houses. The profits don’t now accrue to the taxpayer, but to foreign or institutional shareholders.
    40. She cut 75% of funding to museums, galleries and other sources of education
    41. In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions
    42. 21.9% inflation

    History will judge her and it will not judge her well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    For anyone running a small business or trying to generate wealth in an ecomomy you were a politican from a background who understood where we are coming from,unlike the ex teachers etc who dominate politics

    and for this reason I raise a glass tonight to you Maggie

    RIP


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    just passed through Brixton on the bus there(i'm currently living in Streatham) and there was thousands outside the cinema in the main square banging drums,partying and waving giant banners with "the witch is dead" written on them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    For anyone running a small business or trying to generate wealth in an ecomomy you were a politican from a background who understood where we are coming from,unlike the ex teachers etc who dominate politics

    and for this reason I raise a glass tonight to you Maggie

    RIP

    Brit politics is dominated by ex-teachers?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43 BarryLyndon


    She had faults of course...but I wonder how many people here can provide a first-hand account of Britain in the 1970s? Most evidence I have come across make it sound pretty grim (IMF, brown-outs, three-day week etc. etc.). There was a great article on twitter recently (retweeted by Dion Fanning I think); précis was that the reason nobody has yet revolted over the events since the financial crisis is to do with the strong memories of exactly now dire Britain's foray in socialism pre-Thatcher had been.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,302 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    RTE now trying to make out she was a great woman.

    I honestly wish this country would stop licking everyone's hole.

    Its ****ing embarrassing.

    The woman was a scummy ****


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭Fred Cohen


    I don't think I've ever heard anyone describe her as a perfect "butter wouldn't melt" type.

    Funny you should mention that but Bob Geldof did have a hop off of her because of her intransigence in releasing butter oil from the butter mountain to Ethophian kids starving to death.

    http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/105977

    As to Scotland, they elected roughly equal Lab/Con MPs in the 50's to 66/33% in '79 when Mrs Thatcher was elected to 100/0 in '97


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭LincolnsBeard


    Nodin wrote: »
    Bit of an exaggeration....?

    In what way? Argentina cannot even mention the threat of military action against the British. It's just not on the agenda anymore.

    It was a good old thrashing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    In what way? Argentina cannot even mention the threat of military action against the British. It's just not on the agenda anymore.

    It was a good old thrashing.

    Was Argentina bombed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,055 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    hare wrote: »
    87.......she lived 60 yrs more than she let bobby sands live.

    It was his choice not hers .


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭donfers


    Stinicker wrote: »
    More of her "Achievements"

    1. She supported the retention of capital punishment
    2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry
    3. She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
    4. She abolished free milk for schoolchildren ("Margaret Thatcher, Milk Snatcher")
    5. She supported more freedom for business (and look how that turned out)
    6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration
    7. She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)
    8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million
    9. She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands
    10. The poll tax
    11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad
    12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War
    13. She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years
    14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS
    15. She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits
    16. She pioneered the unfailing adoration and unquestioning support of the USA
    17. She allowed the US to place nuclear missiles on UK soil, under US control
    18. Section 28
    19. She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist"
    20. She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers
    21. She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population
    22. She opposed the reunification of Germany
    23. She invented Quangos
    24. She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%
    25. She had the lowest approval rating of any post-war Prime Minister
    26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech
    27. The Al Yamamah contract
    28. She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet
    29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike
    30. She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%
    31. BSE
    32. She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession
    33. She opposed the inclusion of the Republic of Ireland in the Northern Ireland peace process
    34. She supported sanctions-busting arms deals with South Africa
    35. Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin
    36. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher
    37. Black Wednesday – Britain withdraws from the ERM and the pound is devalued. Cost to Britain - £3.5 billion; profit for George Soros - £1 billion
    38. Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage
    39. She privatised public services, claiming at the time it would increase public ownership. Most are now owned either by foreign governments (EDF) or major investment houses. The profits don’t now accrue to the taxpayer, but to foreign or institutional shareholders.
    40. She cut 75% of funding to museums, galleries and other sources of education
    41. In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions
    42. 21.9% inflation

    History will judge her and it will not judge her well.


    ...ah so what, she was a woman and she had a lot of balls, surely that's the most important thing


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