Maggie Thatcher death discussion thread - Mod rules in first post

My name is URL · 08-04-2013 05:30PM

dr.bollocko wrote: »

However bile / jokes / off-topic nonsense / piss on her grave type crap will be removed and people will be carded / banned.

Will that be the case for all threads about deceased people from now on?

dr.bollocko · 08-04-2013 05:31PM

the groutch wrote: »

OMG! Gonna miss her so much, the greatest woman who ever lived, EVER!

happy now mods? :rolleyes:

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Bergkamp 10 · 08-04-2013 05:31PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

well i have friends that would be my age that are all fcuk english this fcuk english that, never really saw the point myself, shes gone now, 1916 is gone now, all that ****e is pretty much gone now (except for the few diehards up north)
the people who caused all these problems for the irish are no longer in power or dead so why should i care

typical of the me me me thought process of your generation.
if it doesnt affect me why should I care.

No wonder this country is the way it is. Selfishness like ^^^

The Backwards Man · 08-04-2013 05:31PM

irish bloke wrote: »

I don't think any one person is despised by the Irish public more then Maggie, especially the generation growing up with her.

A real nasty piece of work

I dunno about that, I'm as Irish as the day is long and there's quite a few of her contemporaries who I despise a hell of a lot more than Maggie.

I won't find any reason to celebrate when they die either though.

kunst nugget · 08-04-2013 05:31PM

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Jaysus, you'd swear we were talking about Hitler the way some posters are going on. Overall Hitler made a positive impact on the Germany economy and way of life. He treated the Jewish question with slightly too much rigour, causing a few Jewish people to ignore every single good thing he ever did. IMO her greatest achievement was to release the stranglehold that Jews had on the Germany's economy.

FYP.

TheUsual · 08-04-2013 05:31PM

Wesley Snipes gets released from prison in America the SAME week that Thatcher dies.
Coincidence ??

I don't think so. It's vampire hunting time.
Blade 4.

seamus · 08-04-2013 05:33PM

donfers wrote: »

you seem to think it's only republicans that dislike her, how do you explain her massive unpopularity in her own country

That only appears to be in some primarily working class areas where her "no compromises" economic policies caused serious employment issues.

She was elected 3 times, so she can't have been that hated. She really was more of a wartime leader, very conservative, so as the peaceful nineties wee approaching and people were becoming far more liberal, her policies would have become increasingly unpopular.

A leader is only as popular as their last act, so there was probably some additional bitter sentiment there from her final years in power as she was seen as impeding progress.

Agricola · 08-04-2013 05:33PM

It interesting how Churchill is as revered in Britain as Thatcher is vilified. Both of them would have had very similar outlooks though you would have thought. Would he have conducted himself any differently had he been in power during the 80's?

dr.bollocko · 08-04-2013 05:33PM

dodderangler wrote: »

You can't seriously think a different thread is gonna change people's opinion of her
Pissing on her grave is very timid
In my opinion she shouldn't have a grave
Not worthy of it

What I said was, and just to be very clear about this, that criticism is fine. Criticism is understandable. But there's a line between criticism and being a dick and that line is crossed by much of the bile in that now locked / under review thread.

As previously mentioned, any discussion of moderation does not belong here. Please use the feedback forum or PM a mod with any questions.

Fair warning.

El Inho · 08-04-2013 05:34PM

I presume ya's have seen the RTÉ website?

Turn off adblock for a second and go check it out...brilliant that they haven't changed it

Icyseanfitz · 08-04-2013 05:35PM

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

typical of the me me me thought process of your generation.
if it doesnt affect me why should I care.

No wonder this country is the way it is. Selfishness like ^^^

so tell me this, what whould giving a **** about this person do now? do you even know what age i am? no is the answer, im not a selfish person i just couldnt give a crap about politics of any kind,

this woman never did anything to me or anyone i know, neither did the black and tans but i suppose i should hate them all as im irish sure :rolleyes:

you and your like sir are what is wrong with the world

Bergkamp 10 · 08-04-2013 05:37PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

so tell me this, what whould giving a **** about this person do now? do you even know what age i am? no is the answer, im not a selfish person i just couldnt give a crap about politics of any kind,

this woman never did anything to me or anyone i know, neither did the black and tans but i suppose i should hate them all as im irish sure :rolleyes:

you and your like sir are what is wrong with the world

You care so little you stumbled into this thread, maybe you should take your poisonous attitude and stumble out of it.

kunst nugget · 08-04-2013 05:37PM

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

typical of the me me me thought process of your generation.
if it doesnt affect me why should I care.

No wonder this country is the way it is. Selfishness like ^^^

Typical 'back in my day' thought process of your generation.
If give out enough people might believe I know what I'm talking about.

Blaming the youth for the state of the country is farcical. It's the older generations that wrecked the gaff and handed the younger ones the hangover.

Grayson · 08-04-2013 05:37PM

nucker wrote: »

So what makes you a "better person" for doing such thing? Everyone does have a hatred of everyone, but to stoop to that level...nah, y'know

No stooping involved. I'd like to think I could aim a stream. Unless I was drunk. Then peig may have her revenge.

end of the road · 08-04-2013 05:38PM

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

her greatest achievement was to release the stranglehold that unions had on the UK's economy.

the unions never had any stranglehold on anything, they were looking after the workers, good on them, thankfully she failed as the unions still can look after the workers, they can't do as much, but she didn't bring them down.

irish bloke · 08-04-2013 05:39PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

so tell me this, what whould giving a **** about this person do now? do you even know what age i am? no is the answer, im not a selfish person i just couldnt give a crap about politics of any kind,

this woman never did anything to me or anyone i know, neither did the black and tans but i suppose i should hate them all as im irish sure :rolleyes:

you and your like sir are what is wrong with the world

Thumbs down

dr.bollocko · 08-04-2013 05:39PM

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

You care so little you stumbled into this thread, maybe you should take your poisonous attitude and stumble out of it.

Mod:
Post in this thread again = get banned.

wonderfullife · 08-04-2013 05:42PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

what exactly did this woman do? im not up on the whole english hating thing tbh

Ok i'll give this a try:

Took over in 1979 with inflation running at 13%, the highest rate of income tax in the 1970s was 98% income-tax on earnings over £20,000 (83% + 15% investment income surcharge), unemployment high, public sector striking epidemic.

Implemented sweeping changes at home and abroad that pissed-off the following groups: Republicans, the far-left, the left, the working class, Argentina, trade unions. Had unhealthy indifference/support to Pinochet in Chile (mainly as he helped them win the Falklands War), a mixed attitude towards Apartheid (a critic of it, but wanted a consensus of all the people and for South Africa to work out the solution for itself). Praised by the likes of FW de Clerk for her support of South Africa.

By the end of all that when she left office in 1990, inflation was around 7%, unemployment down from a peak of 3,000,000 in 1984 to 1,700,000 in 1990, income tax around 40%, a burgeoning private sector, GDP massively increased.

Her policy was one of pig-headedness and determination in implementing her beliefs, both a strength and massive weakness. Even some of the most ardent critics in the Mining movement now acknowledge what she did, in the fullness of time, was correct but can never agree to the way she handled it.

Amongst her key achievements, other than the economy, she played a monumental role in ending the Cold War, becoming a friend of Gorbachev AND Regan - in fact advising Gorbachev on how to deal with Regan. Her role on the international stage was enormous.

People hate her because of the suffering she inflicted. The sinking of the Belgrano, the treatment of nationalists/republicans, her ostracising working class northern areas and preferencing the south/London, her policies allowing the rich to get richer under the pretext that everybody could do it.

She didn't go around sticking pins in childrens eyes or anything. She was a determined, conservative leader who in totality shaped the UK the way she wanted to shape it. She was Prime Minister 3 times, re-elected twice and even her political rivals (Labour) adopted many of her policies under Tony Blair in order to get elected.

Divisive, polarising politician but bottom line she died a senile, old lady and all this talk of throwing parties or pissing on graves is a sad indictment of the people saying these things.

joebloggs32 · 08-04-2013 05:42PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

well i have friends that would be my age that are all fcuk english this fcuk english that, never really saw the point myself, shes gone now, 1916 is gone now, all that ****e is pretty much gone now (except for the few diehards up north)
the people who caused all these problems for the irish are no longer in power or dead so why should i care

Not a student of history so, as you appear to not understand that we need to learn lessons from the past to prevent making the same mistakes in the future

gurramok · 08-04-2013 05:42PM

seamus wrote: »

I was born in the eighties, therefore she had no effect on me personally, I was too young to care about politics and I don't buy into the Republican agenda which paints her (and the rest of the UK) as a monster.

I was born in the 70s, you have had to live at the time to know what she was like.
Yes she was a b1tch to NI affairs helping to generate the IRA through her "No Surrender" Paisleyite NI policies.

At home in the UK she was the modern day example of an extreme elite capitalist who invented yuppieism. F*** the poor was her attitude, she introduced poll tax where you paid the same no matter what your income was, all humans were targeted whereby millionaires paid the same as poor people. This justifiably brought her down.

And yes the unions, she went too far with the miners. You just don't destroy the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of people at the whim, she gave no alternative industry for the miners, she sacked them all. She created untold misery.

You don't understand that at that time the union members were poorly paid unlike our modern equivalents. There were hardly any worker protection laws like we have now. There is no comparison.

She destroyed compassion in society in pursuit of serving the elite.

harry Bailey esq · 08-04-2013 05:43PM

my facebook notifications were full of joy about her death,justice for the hunger strikers etc,but seriously what's to celebrate?she was an old woman that died of a stroke brought on by old age,that said,may she rot in hell!

Death and Taxes · 08-04-2013 05:46PM

donfers wrote: »

you seem to think it's only republicans that dislike her, how do you explain her massive unpopularity in her own country

So unpopular that she won three consecutive elections with large majorities!

mike65 · 08-04-2013 05:46PM

Thatcher was a hero to many of the British working class, they took to home ownership, shares buying, free market consumerism like an army of ducks to water. They then re elected her twice and the Tories three times. That didn't happen by accident, the party gave enough people what they wanted but could never get under the rule of Unions and "old Labour who who in thrall to Red Robbo, Joe Gormley et al.

As for those who were left behind, those who worked and lived in the "old industrial heartlands" of coal and steel they naturally have a different point of view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOhkaGTTO_8

Icyseanfitz · 08-04-2013 05:46PM

joebloggs32 wrote: »

Not a student of history so, as you appear to not understand that we need to learn lessons from the past to prevent making the same mistakes in the future

i will admit i dont know much about thatcher but she is hardly the pinnacle of all evil in our history is she, as others said she did do her country a bit of good, while also inflicting suffering on others, the same could be said of many a party in ireland

Icyseanfitz · 08-04-2013 05:48PM

irish bloke wrote: »

Thumbs down

i dont hate people i know nothing of

harry Bailey esq · 08-04-2013 05:48PM

gurramok wrote: »

I was born in the 70s, you have had to live at the time to know what she was like.
Yes she was a b1tch to NI affairs helping to generate the IRA through her "No Surrender" Paisleyite NI policies.

At home in the UK she was the modern day example of an extreme elite capitalist who invented yuppieism. F*** the poor was her attitude, she introduced poll tax where you paid the same no matter what your income was, all humans were targeted whereby millionaires paid the same as poor people. This justifiably brought her down.

And yes the unions, she went too far with the miners. You just don't destroy the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of people at the whim, she gave no alternative industry for the miners, she sacked them all. She created untold misery.

You don't understand that at that time the union members were poorly paid unlike our modern equivalents. There were hardly any worker protection laws like we have now. There is no comparison.

She destroyed compassion in society in pursuit of serving the elite.

your spot on.The specials wrote a song about her,maggys farm its called,Google it and even after 25 years it rings through.she won't be missed.

Zebra3 · 08-04-2013 05:50PM

WileyCoyote wrote: »

So unpopular that she won three consecutive elections with large majorities!

Majority of seats.

Nowhere near a majority of votes.

08-04-2013 05:51PM

gurramok wrote: »

I was born in the 70s, you have had to live at the time to know what she was like.
Yes she was a b1tch to NI affairs helping to generate the IRA through her "No Surrender" Paisleyite NI policies.

At home in the UK she was the modern day example of an extreme elite capitalist who invented yuppieism. F*** the poor was her attitude, she introduced poll tax where you paid the same no matter what your income was, all humans were targeted whereby millionaires paid the same as poor people. This justifiably brought her down.

And yes the unions, she went too far with the miners. You just don't destroy the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of people at the whim, she gave no alternative industry for the miners, she sacked them all. She created untold misery.

You don't understand that at that time the union members were poorly paid unlike our modern equivalents. There were hardly any worker protection laws like we have now. There is no comparison.

She destroyed compassion in society in pursuit of serving the elite.

BBC reporting that she died in the Ritz - one final big up yours to the poor...

Tar.Aldarion · 08-04-2013 05:51PM

Come on lads, who found all the horcruxes?

awec · 08-04-2013 05:53PM

The opinion you will get on Thatcher will depend on who you ask.

On one hand, you'll have those who try paint her as perfect, everthing grand, butter wouldn't melt etc etc.

On the other hand, you have those who'll try and paint her as some sort of monster who hated the poor, liked killing people and all sorts of muck.

The reality is somewhere in between. Her economic policies proved to be correct. She made mistakes in Ireland which people will not forget. The fact remains though that her influence on the UK as a whole was overwhelmingly positive and you only have to look at where she took it from to where she took it to to see that.

The majority of that country benefitted from her time as PM, even the working class despite what some would want you to believe.

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