Maggie Thatcher death discussion thread - Mod rules in first post

dr.bollocko · 08-04-2013 05:05PM #1

Hello folks,

Following on from a recently closed mega merge thread which is currently under review.

Please use this thread only for discussion of the recent death of Maggie Thatcher.

This is not a condolences forum so as a result of this, fair criticism of her legacy is allowed / understandable.

However bile / jokes / off-topic nonsense / piss on her grave type crap will be removed and people will be carded / banned.

Bergkamp 10 · 08-04-2013 05:07PM

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Discussion of moderation belongs in feedback forum. OR PM a mod. Either way your post was inaccurate.

Skerries · 08-04-2013 05:08PM

Appropriate

Lenin Skynard · 08-04-2013 05:11PM

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Banned.

Wacker The Attacker · 08-04-2013 05:15PM

They took my maggie

Icyseanfitz · 08-04-2013 05:16PM

what exactly did this woman do? im not up on the whole english hating thing tbh

4zn76tysfajdxp · 08-04-2013 05:17PM

dodderangler wrote: »

You can't seriously think a different thread is gonna change people's opinion of her
Pissing on her grave is very timid
In my opinion she shouldn't have a grave
Not worthy of it

You wanna just... leave her out? Think of the smell...

nucker · 08-04-2013 05:17PM

I didn't like any of her policies, but as to pee on her grave, that is going too far. I wouldn't even do that on my worse enemy, it would show the character I am if I did

stevenmu · 08-04-2013 05:19PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

what exactly did this woman do? im not up on the whole english hating thing tbh

When the Irish Ambassador invited her to the embassy for a symbolic glass of Guinness, she mentioned that she much preferred a nice glass of port.

That bitch!

Grayson · 08-04-2013 05:19PM

dodderangler wrote: »

You can't seriously think a different thread is gonna change people's opinion of her
Pissing on her grave is very timid
In my opinion she shouldn't have a grave
Not worthy of it

I see you want to give her a mausoleum

nucker · 08-04-2013 05:19PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

what exactly did this woman do? im not up on the whole english hating thing tbh

Probably the policies on NI/Rep of Ireland etc etc

But the PIRA (now, I don't want to stir up a hornet's nest), did almost kill her

Zebra3 · 08-04-2013 05:19PM

She was a supporter of terrorism.

Everybody knew the British army was giving weapons and intelligence to loyalist death squads and she did nothing to intervene.

She also supported Pinochet and his campaign of mass murder in Chile as well as Reagan's war against the democratically elected government of Nicaragua.

But I suppose she "fixed the roads" for the world's criminal financial elite so the mainstream media will give her decent obituaries. :rolleyes:

Grayson · 08-04-2013 05:20PM

nucker wrote: »

I didn't like any of her policies, but as to pee on her grave, that is going too far. I wouldn't even do that on my worse enemy, it would show the character I am if I did

I dunno. There have been many times I thought about doing that to Peig Sayers

Prodigious · 08-04-2013 05:21PM

No loss. She's off chilling with Bin Laden now.

Chuck Stone · 08-04-2013 05:21PM

She was a duplicitous authoritarian hypocrite that stoked the conflict in the north by energising physical force Republicanism with her short-sighted policies.

As for neo-liberalism - look at 'us' now in the west. US infrastructure is crumbling and they're up to their necks in debt, war, and blood and this is the burden of the ordinary man and woman not war profiteers and military-industrial corporations.

The UK is heavily in debt too and and the north of the country is replete with inter-generational welfare ghettos. You need two people working to have a good standard of living for a young family these days. Extremes of wealth and poverty haven't been so pronounced since victorian times.

As someone else commented earlier it's too soon to say if Thatcherism and Reaganomics has wrecked the west or benefitted it (it's not looking too good atm) and that's completely ignoring any moral and ethical appraisal.

Mr Benevolent · 08-04-2013 05:22PM

Jaysus, you'd swear we were talking about Hitler the way some posters are going on. Overall Thatcher made a positive impact on the UK economy and way of life. She treated the NI question with slightly too much rigour, causing a few Irish people to ignore every single good thing she ever did. IMO her greatest achievement was to release the stranglehold that unions had on the UK's economy.

El Inho · 08-04-2013 05:22PM

And I thought the americans went over boards when they got Bin Laden...

now i understand.

The Backwards Man · 08-04-2013 05:23PM

I think this is as good an obit as any that will be written about Thatcher in the coming days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1jY5fYjV-U

hare · 08-04-2013 05:23PM

Was outside a school when i heard the news.bobby sands words came to mind revenge will be the laughter of our children.

irish bloke · 08-04-2013 05:24PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

what exactly did this woman do? im not up on the whole english hating thing tbh

Probably too young then.

seamus · 08-04-2013 05:25PM

I was born in the eighties, therefore she had no effect on me personally, I was too young to care about politics and I don't buy into the Republican agenda which paints her (and the rest of the UK) as a monster.

As best I understand it, she made some harsh political decisions, many of which involved breaking unions, so she gets my respect for that. Unions have become a pox on the western world, where once they were the guardians of the common worker, now they're just elitist quangos with no goal except to stifle progress and drain money from the hardworking taxpayers. She took them on when they were at their height of power in the UK and that deserves some respect.

Like other leaders, she also had plenty of unpleasant things like supporting an apartheid regime and opposing some human rights. But in the context of the 1980s I don't think that set her much apart from her contemporaries.

So basically I don't really care. About the best thing she managed to do was become a female PM at a time when women's rights were really only starting to take hold. That alone is notable.

I'm going to purposely avoid listening to the radio on the way home tonight as no doubt they'll bring on all the tin can banging republicans to bleat on about her evilness.

Banjo String · 08-04-2013 05:25PM

My views haven't changed.

Won't post any of the vile comments I seen on the locked thread, but I will go on record here to say good riddance to her.

She was a bad egg.

the groutch · 08-04-2013 05:26PM

OMG! Gonna miss her so much, the greatest woman who ever lived, EVER!

happy now mods? :rolleyes:

nucker · 08-04-2013 05:26PM

Grayson wrote: »

I dunno. There have been many times I thought about doing that to Peig Sayers

So what makes you a "better person" for doing such thing? Everyone does have a hatred of everyone, but to stoop to that level...nah, y'know

Zebra3 · 08-04-2013 05:27PM

Lest we forget, her support for Saddam when his forces were gassing Kurdish + Iranian civilians.

No mention of that in the mainstream media so far. :rolleyes:

donfers · 08-04-2013 05:28PM

seamus wrote: »

I was born in the eighties, therefore she had no effect on me personally, I was too young to care about politics and I don't buy into the Republican agenda which paints her (and the rest of the UK) as a monster.

As best I understand it, she made some harsh political decisions, many of which involved breaking unions, so she gets my respect for that. Unions have become a pox on the western world, where once they were the guardians of the common worker, now they're just elitist quangos with no goal except to stifle progress and drain money from the hardworking taxpayers. She took them on when they were at their height of power in the UK and that deserves some respect.

Like other leaders, she also had plenty of unpleasant things like supporting an apartheid regime and opposing some human rights. But in the context of the 1980s I don't think that set her much apart from her contemporaries.

So basically I don't really care. About the best thing she managed to do was become a female PM at a time when women's rights were really only starting to take hold. That alone is notable.

I'm going to purposely avoid listening to the radio on the way home tonight as no doubt they'll bring on all the tin can banging republicans to bleat on about her evilness.

you seem to think it's only republicans that dislike her, how do you explain her massive unpopularity in her own country

joebloggs32 · 08-04-2013 05:28PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

what exactly did this woman do? im not up on the whole english hating thing tbh

It is not simply an "English hating thing", as many people in England hate her too.

irish bloke · 08-04-2013 05:28PM

El Spearo wrote: »

And I thought the americans went over boards when they got Bin Laden...

now i understand.

I don't think any one person is despised by the Irish public more then Maggie, especially the generation growing up with her.

A real nasty piece of work

Icyseanfitz · 08-04-2013 05:28PM

irish bloke wrote: »

Probably too young then.

well i have friends that would be my age that are all fcuk english this fcuk english that, never really saw the point myself, shes gone now, 1916 is gone now, all that ****e is pretty much gone now (except for the few diehards up north)
the people who caused all these problems for the irish are no longer in power or dead so why should i care

Bergkamp 10 · 08-04-2013 05:29PM

Its no surprise FG supporters are saddened at her passing. After all she is their hero, an anti Irish party just like their blue brothers the Tories and the BNP.

old hippy · 08-04-2013 05:29PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

She was a supporter of terrorism.

Everybody knew the British army was giving weapons and intelligence to loyalist death squads and she did nothing to intervene.

She also supported Pinochet and his campaign of mass murder in Chile as well as Reagan's war against the democratically elected government of Nicaragua.

But I suppose she "fixed the roads" for the world's criminal financial elite so the mainstream media will give her decent obituaries. :rolleyes:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/jan/09/cambodia

"The most damaging element, for Britain at least, of Ta Mok's court appearance will be new evidence about how British troops and diplomats helped the Khmer Rouge in their fight for power.
Contacted in his prison cell through an intermediary last week, he confirmed to The Observer that the extent to which London and Washington helped the Khmer Rouge in their fight to control Cambodia would be revealed during his trial. The evidence will contradict statements made by Margaret Thatcher's Government - which authorised the operation at the time."

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