is it just me, or is most modern music crap?

Nodin · 08-04-2013 10:53AM

It's rare anything I like has been popular, so plus ca change etc. I am somewhat appalled at younger folk watching the likes of the x-factor though.

crockholm · 08-04-2013 11:00AM

I usually listen to the classic rock station when I'm driving,and don't listen to radio at home. When I get back to Ireland, it's normally talk radio I listen to,so I don't know much about what it is (rihanna -diamonds, last modern song I know).

Was told in the past that once you're over 30,all the new stuff sounds stupid.Thats a good rule of thumb.

DrumSteve · 08-04-2013 11:01AM

Slayer.

crockholm · 08-04-2013 11:04AM

DrumSteve wrote: »

Slayer.

I believe that "Seasons in the abyss" is the most perfectly crafted metal song......EVER !!!!! And Lombardo is the best drummer in the world.:cool:

castletownman · 08-04-2013 11:07AM

It's those obligatory "rap verses" that every song seems to include these days. Adds absolutely nothing on many occasions, and actually ruins a potentially decent tune the majority of the time.

jaffacakesyum · 08-04-2013 11:09AM

castletownman wrote: »

It's those obligatory "rap verses" that every song seems to include these days. Adds absolutely nothing on many occasions, and actually ruins a potentially decent tune the majority of the time.

Yeah I agree. Love a good rap tune myself but this post reminded me of this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aQDOUbErNg

Now in fairness it's not a great song to begin with but it could definitely have done without the terrible 'rap' verse in between. I wish artists would have a little bit more respect for themselves and only do collaberations if they truly believe it adds to the music rather than just because "Olly Murs feat Flo Rida" will sell more records.

666irishguy · 08-04-2013 11:12AM

As a rock and metal fan, I think the modern bands have gone backwards. I think there are many reasons for this, like guitar based music being too fragmented. Too many little genre's full of mediocre bands catering to everybody and nothing can get enough of a following. Another big factor I feel is that the older bands quite frankly won't just f**k off and let the dust settle.
We are over stocked in the vintage department and every decade since the 60's up to the 90's has added more bands to the list of greats and I feel that sometime around the mid 90's we kind of reached maximum capacity and nothing else has had a chance to come up as they keep getting held up to the greats and get declared mortals in comparison. Just listen to the radio, the odd time you hear a rock song, it's always the classics. Rarely anything new or heavy.

Guitar based music has had a bit of a chip on it's shoulder since punk in the 70's and grunge in the 90's. It became unfashionable to be technically competent with the instrument and to write complicated arrangements and in my opinion, once people feel they don't need to be able to exploit what it can do to the full with anything, innovation peaks and we get the modern situation.
That's not to say there aren't some good bands around, just hard to imagine we will see another giant band for a while.

SEPT 23 1989 · 08-04-2013 11:15AM

Its complete rubbish and its nothing to do with being older

crockholm · 08-04-2013 11:17AM

666irishguy wrote: »

As a rock and metal fan, I think the modern bands have gone backwards. I think there are many reasons for this, like guitar based music being too fragmented. Too many little genre's full of mediocre bands catering to everybody and nothing can get enough of a following. Another big factor I feel is that the older bands quite frankly won't just f**k off and let the dust settle.
We are over stocked in the vintage department and every decade since the 60's up to the 90's has added more bands to the list of greats and I feel that sometime around the mid 90's we kind of reached maximum capacity and nothing else has had a chance to come up as they keep getting held up to the greats and get declared mortals in comparison. Just listen to the radio, the odd time you hear a rock song, it's always the classics. Rarely anything new or heavy.

Guitar based music has had a bit of a chip on it's shoulder since punk in the 70's and grunge in the 90's. It became unfashionable to be technically competent with the instrument and to write complicated arrangements and in my opinion, once people feel they don't need to be able to exploit what it can do to the full with anything, innovation peaks and we get the modern situation.
That's not to say there aren't some good bands around, just hard to imagine we will see another giant band for a while.

Much to agree with there, however,I think QoTSA, still bring the energy,sex appeal and fun in Rock that as you say, punk and grunge took away

donegal. · 08-04-2013 11:17AM

all daytime radio sounds like this:

Knockmealdown Shepherd · 08-04-2013 11:32AM

con___manx1 wrote: »

i d jump in front of a train for you.
id take a bullet to the brain for you
the music of today is genius the lyrics just keep getting better and better ; )

The best bit is "I'd catch a grenade for you"

Now if I was going out with a girl that people were throwing grenades at I'd be questioning where the relationship was going

af_thefragile · 08-04-2013 11:35AM

I can't listen to most modern music anymore. I don't even remember the last time I listened to the radio in my car.
I try to be open minded with my appreciation of music and like songs which sound good to be but really I simply can't stand most modern mainstream music. Its too overproduced, the lyrics make no sense, there's no depth and meaning to anything and the producers simply are relying on catchy lines to make their tracks popular.

Compare that to the likes of Led Zeppelin, King Crimson or even Thrice which is a modern band (whose latest album is another masterpiece!) I realise why I can't be bothered with listening to the radio anymore.

Or maybe I AM simply getting old...

crockholm · 08-04-2013 11:39AM

Knockmealdown Shepherd wrote: »

The best bit is "I'd catch a grenade for you"

Now if I was going out with a girl that people were throwing grenades at I'd be questioning where the relationship was going

OK, but in the 90s we had a singer who did not wish to witness a spectre,because it would be the most terrifying scenario available.Much more preferable would be catching up on current affairs on the television whilst eating warm bread.

Irish Guitarist · 08-04-2013 11:40AM

I think it's hilarious when people in their early or mid twenties say "music isn't as good as it was in the 80s/90s" as if they were talking about some glorious period in musical history.

Ahh, those halcyon days of the chart being full of songs with the exact same over-produced synthesizer sound in the early to mid eighties. Then the late eighties had musical geniuses like Bros, Rick Astley, Glenn Medeiros, Tiffany and Milli Vanilli as well as everything that Stock, Aitken and Waterman produced. Then the nineties had greats like The Spice Girls, B*Witched, Boyzone and Vengaboys.

donegal_road · 08-04-2013 11:42AM

the charts are mind-numbingly awful, and regarding any alternative-rock-guitar based bands, the point of saturation has been reached a long time ago.... there is very little out there that hasn't been done before ad-nauseum

I delve into 70s and 80s indie alternative when I want to listen to something decent, there are a lot of American bands from that era that never got airplay this side of the Atlantic who are well worth a listen.

chris_ie · 08-04-2013 11:45AM

con___manx1 wrote: »

i d jump in front of a train for you.
id take a bullet to the brain for you
the music of today is genius the lyrics just keep getting better and better ; )

Strangely I saw Bruno Mars perform live on tv at some event. I actually thought he was pretty good. Although he was doing a cover of an older song but the stage setup and performance reminded me of the old singers like James Brown etc. But yeah, not a fan of grenade etc..

Knockmealdown Shepherd · 08-04-2013 11:53AM

crockholm wrote: »

OK, but in the 90s we had a singer who did not wish to witness a spectre,because it would be the most terrifying scenario available.Much more preferable would be catching up on current affairs on the television whilst eating warm bread.

Des'ree! Classic!

af_thefragile · 08-04-2013 12:12PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I think it's hilarious when people in their early or mid twenties say "music isn't as good as it was in the 80s/90s" as if they were talking about some glorious period in musical history.

Ahh, those halcyon days of the chart being full of songs with the exact same over-produced synthesizer sound in the early to mid eighties. Then the late eighties had musical geniuses like Bros, Rick Astley, Glenn Medeiros, Tiffany and Milli Vanilli as well as everything that Stock, Aitken and Waterman produced. Then the nineties had greats like The Spice Girls, B*Witched, Boyzone and Vengaboys.

That's true. There was **** overproduced mainstream music in every generation and thankfully most of those songs have been forgotten (apart from Rick Astley!) because they were never meant to be remembered. The ones whom everyone remembers are the artists whose music was able to stand the test of time. Which is why everyone remembers the 60s with The Beatles, Jimmy Hendrix, Rolling Stones and the 70s with Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Yes, AC/DC etc. 80s with Guns and Roses, Van Halen, The Clash etc. and the 90s with Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots etc.

People remember each era with its defining genre. 60s with Rock n psychidelic. 70s was Prog Rock (which is my favourite era in music!), 80s was Glam Rock and Punk and 90s was Grunge. 00s were mostly rock and indie bands that made the popular music but its probably gonna take another decade or two till the artists who defined the era get separated from the lesser ones.

Lately 10s popular music seems to be dancy overproduced stuff from the likes of Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Kesha etc. Which is something that I honestly can't stand. Which is why I will agree in saying this decade seems to have gotten off to a very poor start! I really can't see 50yrs down the line people picking out a Lady Gaga album and considering it to be a classic like today we do with Led Zeppelin's "Houses of the Holy" or King Crimson's "In the Court of the Crimson King"...

SEPT 23 1989 · 08-04-2013 12:25PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Ahh, those halcyon days of the chart being full of songs with the exact same over-produced synthesizer sound in the early to mid eighties. Then the late eighties had musical geniuses like Bros, Rick Astley, Glenn Medeiros, Tiffany and Milli Vanilli as well as everything that Stock, Aitken and Waterman produced. Then the nineties had greats like The Spice Girls, B*Witched, Boyzone and Vengaboys.

The good outweighed the bad back then

its completely the opposite now

Wibbs · 08-04-2013 12:26PM

af_thefragile wrote: »

80s was Glam Rock and Punk

Nope AF that was the 70's. Glam rock couldn't be any more 70's

80s was more synth, new wave and new romantics, not forgetting the emergence of rap as a new direction.

stateofflux · 08-04-2013 12:31PM

its all about the songwriting. great tunes create scenes & movement. thats why so many 80's bands are reforming for the cash in as they do not have any competition in the songwriting department from the bands that they influenced

Tzardine · 08-04-2013 12:33PM

Whether or not the music is better or worse is debatable. I would put it to you that the music videos are much better now. I submit the following as evidence. Surely this is the worst video ever made.

af_thefragile · 08-04-2013 12:34PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Nope AF that was the 70's. Glam rock couldn't be any more 70's 80s was more synth, new wave and new romantics, not forgetting the emergence of rap as a new direction.

I always associated 70s with awesome Prog Rock music and the 80s with crap poppy synthy music and Punk Rock but yeah I seemed to have gotten the eras mixed up with glam rock.

Also 80s early old school hip-hop was much much better than the Kayne, P-Diddy, Wiz Khalifa and the likes we've got today that make up mainstream rap...

Tombo2001 · 08-04-2013 12:41PM

I was actually going to start a thread on this very subject...

......in particular....

where has the guitar riff gone.

Every great band there ever was had cracking guitar riffs.......from the beatles through to Led Zep to the Clash to the Smiths to Nirvana.......

But I would honestly struggle to think of any great guitar riffs from the past ten years.

And by and large its the interplay between the vocals and guitar riff that has been the making of 90% of rock music (and indeed blues music before that).

Personally I blame radiohead.

Jarren · 08-04-2013 12:42PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I think it's hilarious when people in their early or mid twenties say "music isn't as good as it was in the 80s/90s" as if they were talking about some glorious period in musical history.

Ahh, those halcyon days of the chart being full of songs with the exact same over-produced synthesizer sound in the early to mid eighties. Then the late eighties had musical geniuses like Bros, Rick Astley, Glenn Medeiros, Tiffany and Milli Vanilli as well as everything that Stock, Aitken and Waterman produced. Then the nineties had greats like The Spice Girls, B*Witched, Boyzone and Vengaboys.

Musical Geniuses ?

Only thing I remember is lipsync to the prerecorded music :pac:

Tombo2001 · 08-04-2013 12:43PM

af_thefragile wrote: »

I always associated 70s with awesome Prog Rock music and the 80s with crap poppy synthy music and Punk Rock but yeah I seemed to have gotten the eras mixed up with glam rock.

Also 80s early old school hip-hop was much much better than the Kayne, P-Diddy, Wiz Khalifa and the likes we've got today that make up mainstream rap...

eh......the Smiths, U2, REM, the Pogues, Grandmaster Flash, Joy Division.....

personally, I would regard the period 1978 to 1985 as being the apex of rock music.

Blisterman · 08-04-2013 12:45PM

I don't know what the influential or popular music of the future is, but I'd be very surprised if it was guitar based rock.

H3llR4iser · 08-04-2013 12:51PM

Come on, the "every generation says the next's music is crap" is a really simplistic one; As time goes by society gets, on average, more educated, less culturally sheltered and more flexible and adaptable to change, as the speed of such mutations has been picking up dramatically over the last decades.

Therefore, comparing the way a 35 years old reacted to "new music" in 1970 and 2013 is quite a futile exercise.

The Beatles, The Queen, Kate Bush, Nirvana (just plucking random names across different types/genres through the decades) were chart hits in their times just as much as the likes of Justin Bieber, One Direction and Rihanna are nowadays. Does really anybody think they are, in any way, comparable?

It's the focus that shifted. Up until a couple of decades ago, a singer/band's main asset was the music they put out. There were videoclips and the ultra-commercialized age was dawning, but still the way most people knew them was through their songs.
Today, it's all about looking sexy, being good at photoshoots, posting irrelevant cr@p on Facebook/Twitter and essentially appearing everywhere. As much as it sounds absurd, while supposedly being singers most of their work is done through visual means. Hence, talent is an optional and, in any case, there's always autotune...

Last but not least, if you think it's exclusively an English speaking countries/cultures issue...

Exhibit #1, Italian charts smash hit from 1985:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4JwenFloWk

Exhibit #2, Italian charts smash hit from 2013:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_PMhFuEnu0

af_thefragile · 08-04-2013 01:03PM

^That is what I always said though.
Back in the day Led Zeppelin were the biggest band out there. Bands like Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Yes, Pearl Jam etc. WERE the mainstream music of the time, they were the ones who topped the charted and what people listened to on the radio. They weren't obscure artists lost among the noise of mainstream pop music because they were the mainstream popular music.

Today Katy Perry, Nicky Minaj, LMFAO etc. make up the mainstream popular music, all of whom produce nothing but utter ****e!!

Blisterman wrote: »

I don't know what the influential or popular music of the future is, but I'd be very surprised if it was guitar based rock.

Judging from the trend its going to be dancy, synthy, overproduced, autotuned crap with some scantly clad woman singing about how much she likes to get drunk and have sex...

Ash.J.Williams · 08-04-2013 01:07PM

SamHall wrote: »

Today's music for the most part seems to be full of manufactured pop groups, all pumping out the same cheesy trash.

We need a new guitar based rock band revolution.

Can anyone recommend me a band that have emerged in the last few years to listen to?

I'm convinced talent has dried up :mad:

Music is still out there, you just don't see it as much as the media have gone for the manufactured stuff.

is it just me, or is most modern music crap?

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