Are Interns being ripped off

riclad · 2013-04-06 08:16:14

I heard a woman on the radio, says ,i worked for company x,6months,intern ,. they let me go , said ,we don,t need you any longer. My job was advertised again ,intern ,wanted ,office assistant, on jobridge scheme. Why should a company employ someone,when they can get an intern for 50 euro per week? How can a normal person…

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I heard a woman on the radio, says ,i worked for company x,6months,intern
,. they let me go , said ,we don,t need you any longer.
My job was advertised again ,intern ,wanted ,office assistant, on jobridge scheme.
Why should a company employ someone,when they can get an intern for 50 euro per week?
How can a normal person compete against someone ,who works for 50 euro.
Companys put ad on fas, for nothing.Change the job title.eg office assistant etc
IT seems we are going to end up like the usa,
young people will need to intern ,for months ,
to have a hope of getting experience,
With no gaurantee of getting a job.
Jobridge is only avaidable to people on the dole for a certain time.

IS This good for the economy.Companys getting interns for 50 euro a week.
I Thought interns were not supposed to do essential work.
eg if you need a receptionist,hire one,at a full wage.

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As a slightly different slant, young lawyers have, for years, worked a couple of years unpaid as they complete their traineeship/devilling. Whether that is right or wrong, it is the reality. They do it because at the end of the day the experience is worth more to them than their work is to their employer.

You would think that jobbridge is ideally suited to their situation, but they are excluded from it. The qualification that you be registered with fas means you must be unemployed for a period of time which effectively precludes people fresh out of college from availing of it.

Doubtless the same is true of many other industries ie computer programming where a graduate is of no or little economic value to the employer until they have gained experience. Plus, in these industries employers get dozens of CVs in rather than having to advertise the jobs.

So, if the purpose of the scheme is to help people upskill, it should be done on the basis that a person gets an unpaid internship and can then apply for payments. The system as operated makes it unattractive/unavailable to people who genuinely want to upskill, and to companies that offer genuine opportunities to do so.

It seems to be a bit of a numbers swizz, to try to take people out of the unemployed bracket and reclassify them as doing an internship. There is of course the risk that employers will exploit this, but really it is up to every individual not to allow themselves be exploited.

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johnnyskeleton wrote: »

As a slightly different slant, young lawyers have, for years, worked a couple of years unpaid as they complete their traineeship/devilling. Whether that is right or wrong, it is the reality. They do it because at the end of the day the experience is worth more to them than their work is to their employer.

What it also means is that it's another obstacle to people from non-monied backgrounds from getting anywhere in the industry.

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#5 06-04-2013 12:53PM

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What it also means is that it's another obstacle to people from non-monied backgrounds from getting anywhere in the industry.

No it doesn't. It means that people have to work part time jobs in addition to a stressful traineeship to earn as much as people get from jobbridge (less, if they have to pay for ongoing college fees etc). You can have two people from the same background doing effectively the same thing ie trying to get experience in a given industry.

One has to work every hour god sends while the other gets government support. The only distinctions seem to be that the former want the specific job and will work hard to get it, while the other has no specific aim in mind.

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#6 06-04-2013 12:58PM

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Serving an internship as a lawyer or something is one thing, but the likes of this is taking the piss....

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SHE was saying ,i need to intern ,to get a job,
now she,s competing with people on jobbridge who are on the dole,
Jobridridge is a new factor,
its been in operation about 14 months , i think.
A company should only be allowed to take on interns for a limited time.
of course a similar thing is happening in america.
People are employed ,on a 3day shift,
so employer can avoid paying for health benefits.
SHES ,Competing to get an internship.
With no gaurantee of getting a job from it.

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#8 06-04-2013 01:08PM

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SO you need to intern for 6 months ,to get skills to work in a cafe ,
thats ridiculous,
How long does it take to train someone to work a cash register.
Maybe an hour?
MAYBE a week to make coffee?

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#9 06-04-2013 01:15PM

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It's just another stupid government scheme.

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johnnyskeleton wrote: »

One has to work every hour god sends while the other gets government support. The only distinctions seem to be that the former want the specific job and will work hard to get it, while the other has no specific aim in mind.

Who gets government support while devilling/interning for law firms?

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Al Capwned wrote: »

Serving an internship as a lawyer or something is one thing, but the likes of this is taking the piss....

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Barperson

Exactly. But jobs that require actual training and experience aren't suited to jobbridge, so jobbridge is left with all these free slave schemes. I would go so far as to say that jobs that require an employer to give actual valuable experience to interns are positively excluded from jobbridge. So a solicitor can take someone on as a legal executive, secretary or office clerk via jobbridge, but can't offer them an apprenticeship through same.

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The whole thing is a rip-off.
Unpaid labour and cute hoorism.

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#13 06-04-2013 01:27PM

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[Deleted User] wrote: »

Who gets government support while devilling/interning for law firms?

Interns for non solicitor jobs can get it eg legal executive, secretary etc. but apprentices don't because these aren't traditionally advertised like normal jobs. Meanwhile, people who work in jobs that don't traditionally have an apprenticeship period get paid by the state. Perhaps this creates unpaid jobs where formerly the jobs were paid, but it also means that people who have a fixed idea as to what work they wish to do are at something of a disadvantage to those who sign on, apply to fas and hope for the best.

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johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Interns for non solicitor jobs can get it eg legal executive, secretary etc. but apprentices don't because these aren't traditionally advertised like normal jobs. Meanwhile, people who work in jobs that don't traditionally have an apprenticeship period get paid by the state. Perhaps this creates unpaid jobs where formerly the jobs were paid, but it also means that people who have a fixed idea as to what work they wish to do are at something of a disadvantage to those who sign on, apply to fas and hope for the best.

I was trying to stick to the legal thing rather than jobbridge as jobbridge isn't going to apply to the "internships" that have always been unpaid in that sector.

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#15 06-04-2013 01:38PM

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I was trying to stick to the legal thing rather than jobbridge as jobbridge isn't going to apply to the "internships" that have always been unpaid in that sector.

I'm sorry I don't get your point. My point is that jobbridge should apply to professional apprenticeships/training which are often unpaid, rather than to low skill/unskilled industries, which traditionally are.

You can't stop people chancing their arm at getting free workers in the latter, but you could perhaps reform the system whereby the payment follows the placement rather than the placement being advertised only to people already claiming benefits. But of course, that wouldn't help reduce the unemployment statistics.

I don't accept however, your suggestion that this is so to act as an obstacle to people who are not from well off backgrounds.

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#16 06-04-2013 01:52PM

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It is sad to see that young people and the unemployed are still being taken advantage by these substandard 'intern schemes'.

But heartning to see the Labour government taking a hit in the polls as they should, for their introduction of the scheme, it's piss poor performance on their part. They don't deserve to be in the next government for this scheme alone.

First, internships are used in countries like the States to provide entry for graduates into high level positions. There is a set training programme that all the interns are provided with to obtain the necessary industry experience. This is a complete contrast to the schemes which have been set up in Ireland.

These schemes are not training programmes, they are hastly prepared 'back of an envelope' schemes to pull the unemployed off the dole queues and take advantage of their desparate situation through the use of free labour.

Anyone with a bit of 'get up & go' would be better off sitting at home, read a book about business or do a course in something that your passionate about, get that up and going rather than been taken advantage of.

You'll feel far better about yourself, rather than six months 'training' stacking shelves being treated like a doormat.

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#17 07-04-2013 02:03PM

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The owners of a profitable company should not have people working for them when they are well able to pay them. The argument that interns are "dead weight" is void for two reasons. Firstly, if a company is incapable of using an intern in a productive manner then they have an organisation problem because even someone straight out of college can be useful for something. Secondly, if a company wants good staff, it has to look to the training and development of those people itself.

For any young man or woman faced with this jobsbridge nonsense, I say emigrate. Seriously, if no one is willing to treat you with dignity then its time to move on, taking your skills and potential elsewhere. If the state has failed to provide the environment in which you can find a job and thus pay your tax to cover the cost of your education then that is the failing of the state.

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#18 07-04-2013 02:41PM

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It wont be long now til you can get an intern to cut your grass for 9 months.
Then get another one after that.
Might as well get one to do the laundry too.
Sure you could charge your neighbors for their laundry and get your intern to do it.
oh Wait ......

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#19 09-04-2013 02:35PM

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johnnyskeleton wrote: »

As a slightly different slant, young lawyers have, for years, worked a couple of years unpaid as they complete their traineeship/devilling. Whether that is right or wrong, it is the reality. They do it because at the end of the day the experience is worth more to them than their work is to their employer.

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In the case of trainee solicitors it is not just wrong it is illegal to not pay them the minimum wage. I know it goes on nonetheless.

But when you think about it a newly qualified solicitor is in a great position to take his former employer to the employment appeals tribunal. They'd have a valid claim of 2 years labour at minimum wage, approx €38,000 so not an insignificant sum.

I haven't heard of it happening yet. But if some young newly qualified solicitor wanted to establish themselves in employment law and to make a name for themselves then what better way to go about it than suing your former boss for unpaid wages.

Only a matter of time I suspect, there are lots of solicitors out there exploiting young trainees and someday it'll come back to bite them in the arse.

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#20 09-04-2013 02:46PM

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RATM wrote: »

In the case of trainee solicitors it is not just wrong it is illegal to not pay them the minimum wage. I know it goes on nonetheless.

But when you think about it a newly qualified solicitor is in a great position to take his former employer to the employment appeals tribunal. They'd have a valid claim of 2 years labour at minimum wage, approx €38,000 so not an insignificant sum.

I haven't heard of it happening yet. But if some young newly qualified solicitor wanted to establish themselves in employment law and to make a name for themselves then what better way to go about it than suing your former boss for unpaid wages.

Only a matter of time I suspect, there are lots of solicitors out there exploiting young trainees and someday it'll come back to bite them in the arse.

isnt that running the risk of biting the hand that feeds you scenario .... the companies/employers may have many business contacts that they have built up over many years of business...so a young newly graduated "intern" is more than likely going to find themselves making a name for themselves alright .... as a person to avoid employing.

As regards the intern thing in general ... Yes ! ..interns in this country are being ripped off and are quite often being exploited, I know of a few people who actually pay to gain experience in photography - they are brought to jobs and encouraged to "work" as part of the experience of learning.

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#21 09-04-2013 03:43PM

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RATM wrote: »

In the case of trainee solicitors it is not just wrong it is illegal to not pay them the minimum wage. I know it goes on nonetheless.

But when you think about it a newly qualified solicitor is in a great position to take his former employer to the employment appeals tribunal. They'd have a valid claim of 2 years labour at minimum wage, approx €38,000 so not an insignificant sum.

I haven't heard of it happening yet. But if some young newly qualified solicitor wanted to establish themselves in employment law and to make a name for themselves then what better way to go about it than suing your former boss for unpaid wages.

Only a matter of time I suspect, there are lots of solicitors out there exploiting young trainees and someday it'll come back to bite them in the arse.

They'd never work again.

The very existence of the Kings Inns and the Law Society is a mockery of the justice they're supposed to be an integral part of imho. If you look at some of the practices they engage in: slave labour, no right to re-check of exams, no return of your application fee if it's decided you're "unsuitable" to study in the Inns, restrictions on part-time employment considered suitable for students whilst attending, requirements to attend expensive dinners, acceptance of solicitors not paying junior barristers invoices etc. etc. etc.

Try any of the above in another industry and they'd be falling over each other to take your case. Try to take the case against another member of the old boys (and girls) network, however, and you'll never get representation (nor, one would assume, a fair trial since the judge would be cut from the same amoral cloth as the rest of his ilk).

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MMAGirl wrote: »

It wont be long now til you can get an intern to cut your grass for 9 months.
Then get another one after that.
Might as well get one to do the laundry too.
Sure you could charge your neighbors for their laundry and get your intern to do it.
oh Wait ......

Completely agree, the job bridge system is so badly regulated its ridiculous. Basically, there are no checks at all on what an intern will be doing. For example I know somebody who has a job bridge intern in (doing actual real work, something to do with digital marketing and SEO - its a small 3 person business and they actually want to take the intern on if they do well). He has told me that the only restrictions/rules put in place is

1. Length of internship (6-9 months)
2. For every 5 employees, you can have one Job bridge intern...

If the intern is generally learning a skill then it is a good thing. But the lack of actual restrictions/rules being applied by the body running it is a down right disgrace. If this thing was run properly it would actually be a really good scheme for stimulating employment and re-skilling people. Typical half arsed attempt here by the governing bodies...

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If the internship is taking the piss then the intern can quit and report the employer.

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http://intern.jobbridge.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DJWe2EnfrSwfywPzTbbDnqSEhJNyxqhuq5r9N+pbpGqOv9+CSDaTDhLY2iI6kkiWR0OCWe8Gf8FOChgFgRL9eenBBZjolXjYXdshbch9u+o/Lq/xjgyNtBpN5bLI2H+UZGPBxekWriAEY7EmfgRBz1jxS3mJRIkEp9fgvXh5ZB3AtXGFdS1odU9KurjRE7Nwfjiuvcj0Fk5D3rBleUqrnzIQhhNHyJ1VLKi0bjY6ezDSa674uWghxjuUEkxZiRfYZK5h6BAMDwCT1ChNsxt1AuwDwywtK8uuJCzjJjp6fW/Op2WfEd57tB0rN5cyt1WhMyDHdZcsdhgGatvo5XxsEqdVHMPRiJn9yKC5U5ao5Q12RKs1RQaN3wLmDW0KZXjshvzb2NbuSAxLflhN7h7+atxrTxWaHHdajQ==

Rakes and rakes of waiter/waitressing jobs too
This one is in Ardee

Applicants may e-mail a CV to - hunterstowninn@hotmail.com

http://intern.jobbridge.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DNZrAS9g28vMn0BzmnPwE9vLFi4AQDz/tV64NaSSb2xX1E7vU6UE+GmtC+SY+FncK5SqpWcAIxuiHAzpluagaeZdz6u/eiEyE4efeYnWJA/A64mKatSseiBIA1oqsR1FsHdyKRia9TMXWIPCAUU4YeoSYHOocjO5o/lIh6VlPzNpN5OdFAITGMOvus7RAprWGWXbS6uAvWN9UYVVp11BloDar/vWTBYSsnA7Dzdz40N4w0DUzG3Wft+swsIRMZT02caza/FKmzN54LVRcQJlwv/zKw+im1APAYNBdjiTmft3QjlqF9gwVp3exLGPJmJ2VaMJUnVcEETWRZGxEa05zP4MWcBjZWo0Vkwks+NVg53C3po3574qYOl1rWhwrgn1d/G72HiX827qqp8P6Sbrf0i1ZdWKeVQgGA==

Employer

Hibernian Gifts Ltd
Bolton Street
Waterford

Phone

0872334139

Email

hiberniangifts@gmail.com

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Sales & Admin Assistant

Please email aotoole@cloneemotorcentre.ie

Description

The intern will gain practical experience in the sales process, dealing face to face with customers, negotiation, marketing and vehicle administration. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following sales process, negotiation, vehicle appraisal, objection handling and local marketing. On completion the intern will have attained skills in selling, dealing with prospective customers, negotiation and working in a competitive and dynamic environment, gain insight to the Motor Sales trade.

http://intern.jobbridge.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DH86J0jhI+jA9A2e2mdJ9cxHoANwBR7iDm+PWQ0I/+r59Rq6KMsVDU8Nk9lps9ZjHKUAm2hFHa+BNT/N9eHEjDts+8mLV4U9QRjEO/htJQOx+ICdexpmc+EjWira4LkcN2QbQkvkW4Kd6rVGKh245L1A1UcO1f0zU5cnq779TF1uOrOB9fO29fI6JuUcfCozQ5I/AaRDy2Pw4LQWVJvT6e5EoSMWNMRWuvbpynKH2Pe+NO/sDaqkzzWshu0KtznQASvKBuEBJCebtpwKJ+gUtdL9GR5eY9d3GogRY3DsIIoXpWqBpFzicZAr+6dIo4X0wlTCAoowxPclFNDNrn9TBnGrKMeXd8bMVSrMaHxoYQlGtrcaQFH2sg15F9y7uYRkb03bCxxgYV8YPzjFiIZILH0lCzSksqfpTg==

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#26 18-04-2013 12:16PM

Tea drinker

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tayto lover wrote: »

The whole thing is a rip-off.
Unpaid labour and cute hoorism.

there's a touch of onthroponoorship about it all right, best thing is the person will have had clean working record and be proven worker - that's a skill in itself. Hopefully they won't get too exploited or threatened with bad reviews if they don't do x during their internship.

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#27 18-04-2013 12:17PM

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srsly78 wrote: »

If the internship is taking the piss then the intern can quit and report the employer.

The scheme itself is destroying jobs. Why hire someone for a paid position when you can get them for free. Ruins the wider economy for everyone.

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#28 18-04-2013 12:30PM

BGozIE

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The scheme itself is destroying jobs. Why hire someone for a paid position when you can get them for free. Ruins the wider economy for everyone.

The thing about that is, some small companies may say "we dont have the money to hire someone, well make do without"

But if they take an intern and it is actually skilled work and actually trains the person in a re-useable skill, hopefully that they can use again in a paid position - that's beneficial for both parties.

But you are right, this scheme now makes it easier for employers to say "make do without, and get an intern" and they actually do have the money to hire someone...

Add that to the tripe companies are putting on it for low skilled, unpaid sh1te that wont benifit the intern in anyway, and literally no restrictions put on companies, and you have a flop of a system and whoever came up with it/runs it needs there heads checked...

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#29 18-04-2013 10:41PM

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If your competition is getting free labour then you must do the same to stay afloat especially now that times are tough.

This type of scheme completely destroys the jobs market. It will feed emigration.

BGozIE wrote: »

The thing about that is, some small companies may say "we dont have the money to hire someone, well make do without"

But if they take an intern and it is actually skilled work and actually trains the person in a re-useable skill, hopefully that they can use again in a paid position - that's beneficial for both parties.

But you are right, this scheme now makes it easier for employers to say "make do without, and get an intern" and they actually do have the money to hire someone...

Add that to the tripe companies are putting on it for low skilled, unpaid sh1te that wont benifit the intern in anyway, and literally no restrictions put on companies, and you have a flop of a system and whoever came up with it/runs it needs there heads checked...

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#30 18-04-2013 10:57PM

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Whatever happened to a fair days pay for a fair days work?

Won't be long til we can all have an intern to cut the grass

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#31 18-04-2013 11:01PM

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MMAGirl wrote: »

Whatever happened to a fair days pay for a fair days work?

Won't be long til we can all have an intern to cut the grass

the government got involved !!

times are tough for businesses but some of the "internships" show that the system is unregulated and being abused (why not punishments for those abusing the system)

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